Everybody come together for a worthy cause

[Lucker]

Our American and Mexican friends are unhappy and it shows .
Stop thinking about yorselves for a moment or two and stop stuffing your face . Give thought and show kindness to a people who are bowed under pressure and change and which they just cannot figure out
How would you feel to have your own country shown up right across the planet as being run by a bunch of uncaring crooks and fraudsters ?
How do you react when you see enshrined principles failing and even mocked ?
What sort of therapy is there to change your mid set and a self vision when it has slipped from " mighty " to " very dodgy " ?

To those slipping into the Forum to find solace , there has been no help .
Most are forced to see that their traditional support of Republicanism is stale and tired . Worse , the new apostle of change is a Black man who is very intelligent .
What a terrible slap to deeply buried prejudices .
Even the " Greatest Song ever" will be symbolically placed and-- horror of horrors --- it will come from a Socialist country where health , care and peace are life's great values . Everything that a tired , unfocussed American cannot fathom out , let alone understand .
So people , give an American a little bit of your time and when they seem silly and ungrateful , bite your tongue , and remember they are in new and very uncomfortable territory .

[fbibob]

Frankly, it is hard to say just what Ramon really means.

One point that does need to be examined.

give an American a little bit of your time and when they seem silly and ungrateful

If you are talking about international relations, what precisely should Americans feel grateful for? We are constantly criticized for things that we do, things that we do not do, and things that others do that somehow we are responsible for.

[IamKeenan]

http://i295.photobucket.com/albums/mm125/fourthsign/obama-liarliar.jpg

[kentuckydan]

Frankly, it is hard to say just what Ramon really means.

One point that does need to be examined.



If you are talking about international relations, what precisely should Americans feel grateful for? We are constantly criticized for things that we do, things that we do not do, and things that others do that somehow we are responsible for.

Ramon just likes to dig us with Obama, he gets a kick out of initiating a reaction.

Consider the bleeding ulcer he would end up with if the parallel situation became reality.

The case has collapsed against three men indicted as co-conspirators in the July 7 London bombing.

One, may someday become involved in the British Educational System.

He may amass tens maybe hundreds of millions of dollars of Charitable Grant Money
to "Improve" Education. (Guess where it might come from)

He might then find an unknown, young inexperienced lawyer to oversee the distribution of the funds.

Note it is important that, while this young lawyer may have NO experience which qualifies him for this position, he be an eloquent speaker, he doesn't have to SAYanything in particular, just sound and look good while he does it.

It is also important that No repeat NO Grant Funds be spent on any program designed to improve "Academic Acheivement" only on programs to radicalise and polticise the students and to teach them to hate the System, the Government, the Nation and particular Class and Ethnic Enemies.

(Guess which Ideology might be taught?)

Latter this former Terrorist might mentor and groom the young unknown lawyer for political office first on the locale level, then regional then National.

While this occurs it might be a good idea for the young lawyer to become involved in orgs that promote voter fraud, as he might need the extra votes at a latter time.

In time this previously unknown, inexperienced lawyer who can give really good speeches might verge on the possibility of being the Next Prime Minister of the UK.

I wonder if Ramon would support this British replica of Barack Obama, or start drinking more milk?

Myself I woud not gloat, goad or think the situation amusing or ironic, but view it with dismay

[IamKeenan]

_hMyRGRD3rM

[justlookin]

Trying to figure out how a man that has a Caucasion Mother and an Arabic Father is Black???? According to his own book he is not Christian but Muslim and is not Black but Caucasion, Arabic. Guess I just don't understand genetics like I thought I did!!!! :becky:

[Shadow-off]

It's truly a hard choice. On one hand you have Mc Cain whos age is of concern, lest the poor man die while in office, leaving the fate of a nation in the hands of someone that railroaded and blackball a state official because she was incapable of controling her feminist anger. I don't think I want our country being run potentially by someone that can't control their temper and be able to mentally define family from politics. Even the Bible tells us this " Give unto Caesar the things which are Caesar and give unto God the things that are God.

On the other hand there is Obamba; whom in fact my very well be a sleeper with an evil ulterior motive passively disguised as something beneficial for America but even more beneficial to Americas foes in the long run. The part that concerns me was his dedication to this and pastor whom blatenly and publically condem American values with ambitions of giving more power to blacks and muslims whom already pretty dominate what goes on in the country already.

SO:
Having guns banned and potentially having the country sold out to our foes pretty much has my attention in regard to Obamba. I just can't take that kind of risk with my own well being. So I guess I am forced to vote for Mc Cain with prayers he'll live for the next four years and hopes that someone will be appointed to bitch slap his running mate if she trys pulling the crap she did in Alaska while Governer.

[kentuckydan]

Trying to figure out how a man that has a Caucasion Mother and an Arabic Father is Black???? According to his own book he is not Christian but Muslim and is not Black but Caucasion, Arabic. Guess I just don't understand genetics like I thought I did!!!! :becky:

I believe his Great Grandmother on his father's side is a Black African, the rest of that line being Arabic Africans.

As for being Muslim or Christian, that is not genetic, his Father? and for certain his Step-Father were Muslim, he was enrolled in a school in Indonesia as a Muslim, but children don't get to pick their religion as an adult he joined the Unity Church of Christ, now what is REAL beliefs are?

Known only to him and God.

He has surrounded himself over the years with rather extreme individuals.

Were the situations reversed

IE there was a Conservative who attended a church for 20 years where the preacherr
railed on about the Evils of the Blacks and gave for instance David Duke a life time acheivement award and if there was an unconvicted unrepentant abortion clinic bomber in his close acquantances,

That man would be finished.

[kentuckydan]

"because she was incapable of controling her feminist anger"

and your reactive to someone who threatned to kill your father
and tasered your 10 year old nephenw woudl be?

masculine male Patriarchial anger?

[RiverRock]

If only America could be more fresh and forward thinking like Europe. If only Americans could be like the old, tiny European countries that have gotten along so well. Thank you Europe for all generosity you have bestowed on America.

Oh, if only America had the honest, incorruptible, righteous, unfeigned leaders of the U.K., France, or Germany. Us racists have finally put up a leader for election of Arabic and Black decent just like you Europe.

After we elect Obama you will you finally stop with the animosity and the enviousness. I just know it. After 200 years of saying the same gobbledygook about U.S.A., Europe will finally have nursed their insecurities and not have the need to feel superior anymore.

[Voobrazheniye]

Our American and Mexican friends are unhappy and it shows .
Stop thinking about yorselves for a moment or two and stop stuffing your face . Give thought and show kindness to a people who are bowed under pressure and change and which they just cannot figure out
How would you feel to have your own country shown up right across the planet as being run by a bunch of uncaring crooks and fraudsters ?
How do you react when you see enshrined principles failing and even mocked ?
What sort of therapy is there to change your mid set and a self vision when it has slipped from " mighty " to " very dodgy " ?

To those slipping into the Forum to find solace , there has been no help .
Most are forced to see that their traditional support of Republicanism is stale and tired . Worse , the new apostle of change is a Black man who is very intelligent .
What a terrible slap to deeply buried prejudices .
Even the " Greatest Song ever" will be symbolically placed and-- horror of horrors --- it will come from a Socialist country where health , care and peace are life's great values . Everything that a tired , unfocussed American cannot fathom out , let alone understand .
So people , give an American a little bit of your time and when they seem silly and ungrateful , bite your tongue , and remember they are in new and very uncomfortable territory .


Ramon... hate to say it, my clever and interesting friend, but if ever there was a post that smacked of TROLLING, this is it. Not good.

[Voobrazheniye]

So I guess I am forced to vote for Mc Cain with prayers he'll live for the next four years and hopes that someone will be appointed to bitch slap his running mate if she trys pulling the crap she did in Alaska while Governer.

Very nice. :nono:

Is this how you typically recommend "dealing" with a strong woman? Your misogynist side is showing.

[beezneesman]

Very nice. :nono:

Is this how you typically recommend "dealing" with a strong woman? Your misogynist side is showing.


She's not a strong woman she's a stupid Doris :rolleyes:

[Lucker]

Boo Brassiere
I am not a million % sure what a Trolling Post is but i feel sure it is nice . So thank you kindly .
Is there anything in the Post that seems unfair or exaggerated ?

I just detected a very hang dog feeling among the bulk of you dear Cousins ( spit) and wanted to make sure you were feeling the right amount of shame and degradation .


:yo::)

[Mnguy2007]

She's not a strong woman she's a stupid Doris :rolleyes:

Based on what can you make this profound statement?

My guess would be this so called stupid Doris can be compared to any standard of measurement of success to you and come up on the winning end of the stick.
So what smartass name calling do you give to someone like yourself that cannot resist the attempt at making others seem smaller or less than you are?
Does it make you a septic?

Go ahead now and prove to yourself how smart you think you are by calling me a bunch of names.

[dzerassa]

C6urw_PWHYk

[beezneesman]

Based on what can you make this profound statement?

My guess would be this so called stupid Doris can be compared to any standard of measurement of success to you and come up on the winning end of the stick.
So what smartass name calling do you give to someone like yourself that cannot resist the attempt at making others seem smaller or less than you are?
Does it make you a septic?

Go ahead now and prove to yourself how smart you think you are by calling me a bunch of names.

Well unlike your esteemed Doris I can actually string a sentence together. That would appear to put me on the winning end of the stick - but then I have already won first place in the lottery of life by being born as an Englishman. :-)

And I'm not being misogynist/sexist or whatever if Palin was male I would say exactly the same. It's not my problem if you Americans cannot handle the truth about the abysmal quality of the choices that are currently being put in front of you. I'm just calling a spade a spade.

As my Scottish friends would say 'Go boil your heid'

[Mnguy2007]

Well unlike your esteemed Doris I can actually string a sentence together. That would appear to put me on the winning of the stick - but then I have already won first place in the lottery of life by being born as an Englishman. :-)

As my Scottish friends would say 'Go boil your heid'

You are so predictable!!!!
If that is your measurement for success then more power to you.
I personally show respect to people of all nations,and to women that rise above the average to try and better life for all.

[kentuckydan]

C6urw_PWHYk

I can answer his last question

Palin did not ban one single book

[beezneesman]

You are so predictable!!!!
If that is your measurement for success then more power to you.
I personally show respect to people of all nations,and to women that rise above the average to try and better life for all.


And you're being predictably sanctimonious - at least you didn't disappoint on that score :)

I bet you were a Boy Scout weren't you :rolleyes:

[RiverRock]

That video from Matt Damon pissed everyone off here. Everyone hates it when anyone in hollywood tries to influence people on who to vote for. Interestingly, everything he says about Palin and her inexperience in that video can be used against Obama.

[alpine-frolic]

If only America could be more fresh and forward thinking like Europe. If only Americans could be like the old, tiny European countries that have gotten along so well. Thank you Europe for all generosity you have bestowed on America.

Oh, if only America had the honest, incorruptible, righteous, unfeigned leaders of the U.K., France, or Germany. Us racists have finally put up a leader for election of Arabic and Black decent just like you Europe.

After we elect Obama you will you finally stop with the animosity and the enviousness. I just know it. After 200 years of saying the same gobbledygook about U.S.A., Europe will finally have nursed their insecurities and not have the need to feel superior anymore.


We don't feel superior, nope inferior, but different....

[dzerassa]

That video from Matt Damon pissed everyone off here. Everyone hates it when anyone in hollywood tries to influence people on who to vote for. Interestingly, everything he says about Palin in that video can be used against Obama.

yes? i like matt damon, very attractive man
what was he saying in his interview that made u so angry? sorry brandon, i was so mcuh charmed by him that didn't pay attention to what he said :)

was he trying to influence? i thought he just expressed his opinion as any american citizen can do. u for example :)

[beezneesman]

We don't feel superior, nope inferior, but different....

For once I agree with our cheese eating, surrendering simian friend.

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beezneesman, you have been asked before to tone down the personal attacks on individuals and other nationalities. Your blantant insults, through the use of terms like "septics" and "simians" will not be tolerated further. Please show respect for other members of the forum. This is your last warning.
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[dzerassa]

I bet you were a Boy Scout weren't you :rolleyes:

is it bad or there is some hidden meaning?

[kentuckydan]

is it bad or there is some hidden meaning?


"Boy Scout Oath


Boy Scout Oath, Law, Motto, and Slogan

Scout Oath (or Promise)
On my honor I will do my best
To do my duty to God and my country
and to obey the Scout Law;
To help other people at all times;
To keep myself physically strong,
mentally awake, and morally straight.


Scout Law
TRUSTWORTHY
A Scout tells the truth. He keeps his promises. Honesty is part of his code of conduct. People can depend on him.

LOYAL
A Scout is true to his family, Scout leaders, friends, school, and nation.

HELPFUL
A Scout is concerned about other people. He does things willingly for others without pay or reward.

FRIENDLY
A Scout is a friend to all. He is a brother to other Scouts. He seeks to understand others. He respects those with ideas and customs other than his own.

COURTEOUS
A Scout is polite to everyone regardless of age or position. He knows good manners make it easier for people to get along together.

KIND
A Scout understands there is strength in being gentle. He treats others as he wants to be treated. He does not hurt or kill harmless things without reason.

OBEDIENT
A Scout follows the rules of his family, school, and troop. He obeys the laws of his community and country. If he thinks these rules and laws are unfair, he tries to have them changed in an orderly manner rather than disobey them.

CHEERFUL
A Scout looks for the bright side of things. He cheerfully does tasks that come his way. He tries to make others happy.

THRIFTY
A Scout works to pay his way and to help others. He saves for unforeseen needs. He protects and conserves natural resources. He carefully uses time and property.

BRAVE
A Scout can face danger even if he is afraid. He has the courage to stand for what he thinks is right even if others laugh at or threaten him.

CLEAN
A Scout keeps his body and mind fit and clean. He goes around with those who believe in living by these same ideals. He helps keep his home and community clean.

REVERENT
A Scout is reverent toward God. He is faithful in his religious duties. He respects the beliefs of others.

Scout Motto
Be Prepared

Scout Slogan
Do a Good Turn Daily

[dzerassa]

This interview where she can't name a newspaper she reads is something. she tries to 'pour water" instead of simply nameing a newspaper

[dzerassa]

"Boy Scout Oath


Boy Scout Oath, Law, Motto, and Slogan



reminds me pioneer organization in the su. nothing bad about it i think

[RiverRock]

dzerassa: yes? i like matt damon, very attractive man
what was he saying in his interview that made u so angry? sorry brandon, i was so mcuh charmed by him that didn't pay attention to what he said

was he trying to influence? i thought he just expressed his opinion as any american citizen can do. u for example

Ha, ha.

I like Matt Damon too.... (NOT in the same way as you :becky:) "Bourne Identity" and "Good Will Hunting" were really good movies.

It didn't make me angry. I couldn't care less.

But most Americans believe people in hollywood have the right to express their opinion, but they should keep it on the lowdown. They shouldn't use their fame to promote their political agendas in the media. They want to see movies and entertainment from hollywood, Not their opinions.

For example, Do you want Paris Hilton giving her opinion on Russian TV?

[beezneesman]

reminds me pioneer organization in the su. nothing bad about it i think


The boy scouts were always the 'good' boys at school - obedient, submissive, a little bit dull and vulnerable to being molested by the choirmaster. Children of timid parents with low aspirations. Needless to say they never got the girl and never had any decent cigarettes worth stealing. ;)

[dzerassa]

The boy scouts were always the 'good' boys at school - obedient, submissive, a little bit dull and vulnerable to being molested by the choirmaster. Children of timid parents with low aspirations. Needless to say they never got the girl and never had any decent cigarettes worth stealing. ;)

from what u descibed i would expect them to go to military path after high school doesn't matter in usa or uk :)

[beezneesman]

from what u descibed i would expect them to go to military path after high school doesn't matter in usa or uk :)

Well I don't know about the US mil but I can't say I was aware of a disproportionate number of former boy scouts in the British Army when I was in it or now either (but then the military cultures are quite different in my experience). However, the Boy Scouts were actually started by a former British Army officer (Baden-Powell) who was the sort of bloke who could really only be described as a bit of a weirdie (possibly a bit 'bomb happy').:-)

[kentuckydan]

The boy scouts were always the 'good' boys at school - obedient, submissive, a little bit dull and vulnerable to being molested by the choirmaster. Children of timid parents with low aspirations. Needless to say they never got the girl and never had any decent cigarettes worth stealing. ;)

Don't judge us, but what you experience in your own country.

Our Boy Scouts not only include men who have walked on the Moon

Charles Duke; Retired Air Force brigadier general and astronaut. As a member of Apollo 16 he became one of only twelve men who have walked on the moon.a[›][8]

but holders'
of the CMoH (Congressional Medal of Honor)

Aquilla J. Dyess (deceased); Lieutenant colonel in the Marine Corps during World War II who was awarded the Medal of Honor posthumously for "conspicuous gallantry and intrepidity at the risk of his life" during the Battle of Kwajalein.[43][8]

Robert Edward Femoyer (deceased); Army Air Forces navigator during World War II who was awarded the Medal of Honor.[47]

Eugene B. Fluckey (deceased); Navy submarine commander during World War II who received the Medal of Honor.[51]

Mitchell Paige (deceased); Marine Corps hero who was awarded the Medal of Honor for actions during the Guadalcanal Campaign.a[›][8]

Benjamin L. Salomon (deceased); Army dentist during World War II who was awarded the Medal of Honor posthumously for defense of his medical aid station during the Battle of Saipan.[115]

Leo K. Thorsness; U.S. Air Force fighter pilot, Vietnam War prisoner of war, Medal of Honor recipient.[129]

Jay Zeamer, Jr. (deceased); Army Air Forces pilot during World War II who was awarded the Medal of Honor.[137]

Why there is even one nominated for Sainthood

Francis J. Parater (deceased); Catholic seminarian from Virginia nominated for sainthood.[101][102]

[dzerassa]

Well I don't know about the US mil but I can't say I was aware of a disproportionate number of former boy scouts in the British Army when I was in it or now either.


so we assume u r from school "hooligans" stealing cigarretes from the biy scouts :)

[beezneesman]

Don't judge us, but what you experience in your own country.

Our Boy Scouts not only include men who have walked on the Moon

Charles Duke; Retired Air Force brigadier general and astronaut. As a member of Apollo 16 he became one of only twelve men who have walked on the moon.a[›][8]

but holders'
of the CMoH (Congressional Medal of Honor)

Aquilla J. Dyess (deceased); Lieutenant colonel in the Marine Corps during World War II who was awarded the Medal of Honor posthumously for "conspicuous gallantry and intrepidity at the risk of his life" during the Battle of Kwajalein.[43][8]

Robert Edward Femoyer (deceased); Army Air Forces navigator during World War II who was awarded the Medal of Honor.[47]

Eugene B. Fluckey (deceased); Navy submarine commander during World War II who received the Medal of Honor.[51]

Mitchell Paige (deceased); Marine Corps hero who was awarded the Medal of Honor for actions during the Guadalcanal Campaign.a[›][8]

Benjamin L. Salomon (deceased); Army dentist during World War II who was awarded the Medal of Honor posthumously for defense of his medical aid station during the Battle of Saipan.[115]

Leo K. Thorsness; U.S. Air Force fighter pilot, Vietnam War prisoner of war, Medal of Honor recipient.[129]

Jay Zeamer, Jr. (deceased); Army Air Forces pilot during World War II who was awarded the Medal of Honor.[137]

Why there is even one nominated for Sainthood

Francis J. Parater (deceased); Catholic seminarian from Virginia nominated for sainthood.[101][102]

If such achievement was somehow disproportionately more common among former Boy Scouts than among those who weren't then you might have a point but it is impossible to tell from anecdotes.

[Mnguy2007]

And you're being predictably sanctimonious - at least you didn't disappoint on that score :)

I bet you were a Boy Scout weren't you :rolleyes:

Sure I was.
I was also working full time and going to school.
Making sure I didn't need to depend on my government or anyone else for support.
I also got involved in politics on a local level, and did my part to make the changes that I believe so strongly in. I live in a clean, safe, economically sound community and proud of it.
Proud of the fact that in a small way i was part of making it that way.
sanctimonious...... no
I think if that was to fit anyone here you would be the one that could wear that lable.
I am however more than a little tired of reading your constant put downs on people with name calling and remarks like your sh..t doesn't stink.

Seem to me you have enough negitive in your own government and enough problems to deal with in your country. You and many others would be so much better off if you stopped
mouthing off about things you have no real say in and try to fix the problems at home where you do have some say.

[dzerassa]

Well I don't know about the US mil but I can't say I was aware of a disproportionate number of former boy scouts in the British Army when I was in it or now either (but then the military cultures are quite different in my experience). However, the Boy Scouts were actually started by a former British Army officer (Baden-Powell) who was the sort of bloke who could really only be described as a bit of a weirdie (possibly a bit 'bomb happy').:-)

i said it 'cause think that hooligans would rare go to army, rather "good" boy scouts would. knowing u r a former military ..... :)

[kentuckydan]

If such achievement was somehow disproportionately more common among former Boy Scouts than among those who weren't then you might have a point but it is impossible to tell from anecdotes.

Why since anecdotes unsourced is all you usually give us?

[dzerassa]

Sure I was.
I was also working full time and going to school.
Making sure I didn't need to depend on my government or anyone else for support.
I also got involved in politics on a local level, and did my part to make the changes that I believe so strongly in. I live in a clean, safe, economically sound community and proud of it.
Proud of the fact that in a small way i was part of making it that way.


Molodets :clap:

[Mnguy2007]

Molodets :clap:
What does it mean?

[dzerassa]

What does it mean?

i don't know how to say it in english that's why said in russian. something like "well done"

[kentuckydan]

What does it mean?


good boy, well done

[beezneesman]

Sure I was.
I was also working full time and going to school.
Making sure I didn't need to depend on my government or anyone else for support.
I also got involved in politics on a local level, and did my part to make the changes that I believe so strongly in. I live in a clean, safe, economically sound community and proud of it.
Proud of the fact that in a small way i was part of making it that way.
sanctimonious...... no
I think if that was to fit anyone here you would be the one that could wear that lable.
I am however more than a little tired of reading your constant put downs on people with name calling and remarks like your sh..t doesn't stink.

Seem to me you have enough negitive in your own government and enough problems to deal with in your country. You and many others would be so much better off if you stopped
mouthing off about things you have no real say in and try to fix the problems at home where you do have some say.

Well seeing as how you are shouting about how wonderful you are like your shit doesn't stink then I guess I am entitled to blow my own trumpet too.

Wow you worked big deal. So did I.
I've never had to have any government support either (unless you count working for it for 6 years ;))
So you've lived in a clean, safe community - big deal. That's not hard to do in the world's richest country. Have you ever done development work in the Third World? I have.
As for being involved in politics at a local level so what. That just means you weren't good enough at lying to be a real politician at national level.

[dzerassa]

becoming hot here :)
:boxing:

[kentuckydan]

Well seeing as how you are shouting about how wonderful you are like your shit doesn't stink then I guess I am entitled to blow my own trumpet too.

Wow you worked big deal. So did I.
I've never had to have any government support either (unless you count working for it for 6 years ;))
So you've lived in a clean, safe community - big deal. That's not hard to do in the world's richest country. Have you ever done development work in the Third World? I have.
As for being involved in politics at a local level so what. That just means you weren't good enough at lying to be a real politician at national level.

There is an American Poltical Axiom

ALL Politics is Local

[beezneesman]

There is an American Poltical Axiom

ALL Politics is Local


Some people like to believe that. I believe that is bullshit

[dzerassa]

Well seeing as how you are shouting about how wonderful you are like your shit doesn't stink then I guess I am entitled to blow my own trumpet too.

Wow you worked big deal. So did I.
I've never had to have any government support either (unless you count working for it for 6 years ;))
So you've lived in a clean, safe community - big deal. That's not hard to do in the world's richest country. Have you ever done development work in the Third World? I have.
As for being involved in politics at a local level so what. That just means you weren't good enough at lying to be a real politician at national level.

ah! what a man!!! :)

[kentuckydan]

Some people like to believe that. I believe that is bullshit

Which shows what you know about the subject,

No one gets elected without local support and workers

PERIOD

[dzerassa]

No one gets elected without local support and workers



yes? i somehow believed big money rules especially in politics

[beezneesman]

Which shows what you know about the subject,

No one gets elected without local support and workers

PERIOD


Getting elected is only part of politics. Which shows what you know about the subject.

[Mnguy2007]

yes? i somehow believed big money rules especially in politics

On a larger scale that may be true.
On a local level it is not so much a factor.
That is not to say that business does not try to influence, but it is much easier to to turn them away at a local level. People tend to care much more about their own living area and will protect it much more than if it is where someone else lives.

Politics is not suppose to be about money. It often comes down to money but it really should not be the core to politics.

[dzerassa]

On a larger scale that may be true.
On a local level it is not so much a factor.
That is not to say that business does not try to influence, but it is much easier to to turn them away at a local level. People tend to care much more about their own living area and will protect it much more than if it is where someone else lives.

Politics is not suppose to be about money. It often comes down to money but it really should not be the core to politics.

"local" means some local politician in a local parliament (if there is) or say mayor of a town? but arn't they still represent two beggiest parties which means money is invested by parties into their candidates? or not?

[beezneesman]

Politics is primarily about money and power (the two are indivisible really). A lot of the responses here about 'politics is about getting elected etc' are reflective of a western democratic tradition that is simply alien in much of the world.

[dzerassa]

beez, u received from me several thumbs up today. am i too generous today?

[beezneesman]

beez, u received from me several thumbs up today. am i too generous today?

Uncharacteristically generous. I normally seem to only get your disapproval.

[dzerassa]

For example, Do you want Paris Hilton giving her opinion on Russian TV?

i don't think it would influence anyone in russia. but this public "recruiting" of voices by celebrities russia learned from the western democracy :)

[Mnguy2007]

Well seeing as how you are shouting about how wonderful you are like your shit doesn't stink then I guess I am entitled to blow my own trumpet too.

No my shit sh..t stinks, and i will be the first one to admit it. More important it is why i don't point my finger at others to try and make myself feel better.


Wow you worked big deal. So did I.
I've never had to have any government support either (unless you count working for it for 6 years ;))

Yes i do count that as government support. It is much different than working for yourself and employing people and paying taxes on all of them. One is living off the taxes that others pay and the other is paying for that living. Military being an exception in my eyes and if my guess is correct that you are refering to your work for government being military then my hats off to you.



So you've lived in a clean, safe community - big deal. That's not hard to do in the world's richest country. Have you ever done development work in the Third World? I have.

No I have not. I believe in trying to fix problems at home before i go out and try to change the world. Being the richest country in the world means squat if your a bum and don't want to better your life. We have many areas in most cities that fits the lifestyles for that type of person.


As for being involved in politics at a local level so what. That just means you weren't good enough at lying to be a real politician at national level.

No it means I cared enough about my community to try and make it a better place for all that lives here. It also means I don't spend my time mouthing off about the politics of other countries, and the people running for office. I try to make the changes in the places that I have the ability to do so. I try to understand and learn about other countries instead of calling them "septics" and showing how small of a person I can be.

My only point was people are getting tired of your name calling and put downs. You have responded exactly how I expected you would and your free to do so as long as this site allows it. Enough said.

[beezneesman]

No it means I cared enough about my community to try and make it a better place for all that lives here. It also means I don't spend my time mouthing off about the politics of other countries, and the people running for office. I try to make the changes in the places that I have the ability to do so. I try to understand and learn about other countries instead of calling them "septics" and showing how small of a person I can be.

Maybe you do practice what you preach, maybe you don't but there doesn't exactly seem to be a shortage of chaps out there lecturing the world about their deficiencies and about how the world needs to change to be more like them. Although I do have to admit that strangely there is slightly less of that these days.


[COLOR="Teal"] My only point was people are getting tired of your name calling and put downs. You have responded exactly how I expected you would and your free to do so as long as this site allows it. Enough said.

Is that 'people' or just you and a handful of other internet people? rolleyes:

[Mnguy2007]

"local" means some local politician in a local parliament (if there is) or say mayor of a town? but arn't they still represent two beggiest parties which means money is invested by parties into their candidates? or not?

Yes and no.
Yes local means on a city or township level and could include being a mayor or councilman.
But on a local level you do not have to be one of the major parties to win a seat.
You don't need to spend lots of money to get elected. You do however have to meet the people and get to know them. Learn about their wants and needs. If elected you are there to be the voice for those people. You should act in the best interest of the people that voted you into office. Even the ones that didn't vote for you.:becky:
That is what true politics is meant to be.

[Mnguy2007]

Maybe you do practice what you preach, maybe you don't but there doesn't exactly seem to be a shortage of septics out there lecturing the world about their deficiencies and about how the world needs to change to be more like them. Although I do have to admit that strangely there is slightly less of that these days.

Is that 'people' or just you and a handful of other internet Republicans?:rolleyes:

I will now ask in a kind way for you to stop using that term to refer to people, I find it extremely offensive. Hows that? It shouldn't matter what political party the request comes from.
I am of neither political group and in fact I do not agree with using a label for politics.
All groups have some good values and all have some bad.

[beezneesman]

I will now ask in a kind way for you to stop using that term to refer to people, I find it extremely offensive. Hows that? It shouldn't matter what political party the request comes from.
I am of neither political group and in fact I do not agree with using a label for politics.
All groups have some good values and all have some bad.

You find it 'offensive' I find it accurate. I'll use it if I see fit.

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[Voobrazheniye]

The boy scouts were always the 'good' boys at school - obedient, submissive, a little bit dull and vulnerable to being molested by the choirmaster. Children of timid parents with low aspirations. Needless to say they never got the girl and never had any decent cigarettes worth stealing. ;)

Hmmm... that sounds your kind of "boys."

[Voobrazheniye]

You find it 'offensive' I find it accurate. I'll use it if I see fit.

Which says a hell of a lot more about you (and not in a positive way) than the people you try to insult.

[alpine-frolic]

For once I agree with our cheese eating, surrendering simian friend.

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beezneesman, you have been asked before to tone down the personal attacks on individuals and other nationalities. Your blantant insults, through the use of terms like "septics" and "simians" will not be tolerated further. Please show respect for other members of the forum. This is your last warning.
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I must agrrrre with admin, this word, simian can let some septics.

[beezneesman]

Your post has been deleted and you will be receiving a ban.You were clearly told on several occasions to stop such personal insults.Moderator.

[Shadow-off]

It's truly a hard choice. On one hand you have Mc Cain whos age is of concern, lest the poor man die while in office, leaving the fate of a nation in the hands of someone that railroaded and blackball a state official because she was incapable of controling her feminist anger. I don't think I want our country being run potentially by someone that can't control their temper and be able to mentally define family from politics. Even the Bible tells us this " Give unto Caesar the things which are Caesar and give unto God the things that are God.

On the other hand there is Obamba; whom in fact my very well be a sleeper with an evil ulterior motive passively disguised as something beneficial for America but even more beneficial to Americas foes in the long run. The part that concerns me was his dedication to this and pastor whom blatenly and publically condem American values with ambitions of giving more power to blacks and muslims whom already pretty dominate what goes on in the country already.

SO:
Having guns banned and potentially having the country sold out to our foes pretty much has my attention in regard to Obamba. I just can't take that kind of risk with my own well being. So I guess I am forced to vote for Mc Cain with prayers he'll live for the next four years and hopes that someone will be appointed to bitch slap his running mate if she trys pulling the crap she did in Alaska while Governer.

** Sorry for the bitch slapping comment; freudian slip I guess steming from years of unjustified abuse by women. Anyway SHE should not use her political power to manipulate personal grieviances. The trooper had a boss; he should take the necessary action if he in fact used his power without justification.

[dzerassa]

Did u ban beez? pity. was interesting to see how allies fight :)

[Shadow-off]

ME ? Definately not. I have the significance of an ameba here. Besides Beezs is a great guy very intelligent and he'll shoot you if you F with him the wrong way also.

[dzerassa]

ME ? Definately not. I have the significance of an ameba here. Besides Beezs is a great guy very intelligent and he'll shoot you if you F with him the wrong way also.

i didn't mean u :)

was to moderator

[bucksbunny]

I love america :

becaue of doris day and marlyin monroe.

I love them and they helped me becoming a man ...instead of ramonspornstar elizabeth I asked her to shave her legs.

I love america because of the republicans and their western boys reagan and burt lancaster.

Better than the milk face of ivanoe brit sinclair boy cousin of ramon.

I love america because of keenan and brownsugar boy...two lucky idiots;

I love america because I didnt had an uncle there.

I love america because of mohamed ali he learned me to how to have a big mouth..keenan I am the greatest.

I love america because I dont believe in jesus..I just believe in me.halelouia.thoose funny churches.


ZORRO BUCKSBUNNY FROM america

[Voobrazheniye]

So... I am wondering what you put in your coffee this morning... and are you willing to share it? ;)

[bucksbunny]

nothing special.

only a girl ask me if she meets me I could do more than kissing her..:cool::)

bb

[kentuckydan]

"local" means some local politician in a local parliament (if there is) or say mayor of a town? but arn't they still represent two beggiest parties which means money is invested by parties into their candidates? or not?

The term Local politics can have many meanings including what you state, but for me
it also includes the actual nuts and bolts of politics on the local level.

About 2 years ago I went to the local County Party meeting to give support for a friend of a friend who was giving a memorial talk on 9/11.

I had never done anything like that and I was impressed with the variety and type of people who were there,

Not elites just plain folks, just like my next door neighbors, they did however take PERSONAL responsibility for the local party activities.

So I joined and realised that all these years I had been just going to the polls on election day, and making a choice between candidates that someone else had chosen.

There is a lot more to the system than the politicians, in every County in this country people who are concerned about things meet on a regular basis monthly and do all the small petty jobs that culminate in an election

They man the phones, walk door to door handing out literature, talking to people they deliver phones, when a candidate is coming for an event it is they who handle all the day to day chores that make it possible

They are VOLUNTEERS they do not get paid for what they do, ALL of the Big Money influence etc would have almost no effect without the local organisations.

If more people became involved then things might start reflecting what most folks on the street think and feel,

So to anyone who says, they never listen to me, what's the point

My responce is

Then what do you plan to DO about it?

If you don't show up and speak out, how do you expect to be heard?

I have been involved for 2 years, I was this year a credential delegate to the County, Congressional District and even the State Conventions.

Guess what? The Candidates do NOT choose the Party Platform, it is instead chosen and decided upon by people like me, meeting in rooms listening to platform statements, discussing them and voting upon them

These platform statements go through this process and are winnowd at the County, District, State and National Level they are the distilled wishes of the individual Party members,

[bucksbunny]

The term Local politics can have many meanings including what you state, but for me
it also includes the actual nuts and bolts of politics on the local level.

About 2 years ago I went to the local County Party meeting to give support for a friend of a friend who was giving a memorial talk on 9/11.

I had never done anything like that and I was impressed with the variety and type of people who were there,

Not elites just plain folks, just like my next door neighbors, they did however take PERSONAL responsibility for the local party activities.

So I joined and realised that all these years I had been just going to the polls on election day, and making a choice between candidates that someone else had chosen.

There is a lot more to the system than the politicians, in every County in this country people who are concerned about things meet on a regular basis monthly and do all the small petty jobs that culminate in an election

They man the phones, walk door to door handing out literature, talking to people they deliver phones, when a candidate is coming for an event it is they who handle all the day to day chores that make it possible

They are VOLUNTEERS they do not get paid for what they do, ALL of the Big Money influence etc would have almost no effect without the local organisations.

If more people became involved then things might start reflecting what most folks on the street think and feel,

So to anyone who says, they never listen to me, what's the point

My responce is

Then what do you plan to DO about it?

If you don't show up and speak out, how do you expect to be heard?

I have been involved for 2 years, I was this year a credential delegate to the County, Congressional District and even the State Conventions.

Guess what? The Candidates do NOT choose the Party Platform, it is instead chosen and decided upon by people like me, meeting in rooms listening to platform statements, discussing them and voting upon them

These platform statements go through this process and are winnowd at the County, District, State and National Level they are the distilled wishes of the individual Party members,

dan your text looks a bit short :shocked:

[kentuckydan]

dan your text looks a bit short :shocked:


You should see the platform we had to go over and vote on.


16 full pages

[dzerassa]

Your post has been deleted and you will be receiving a ban.You were clearly told on several occasions to stop such personal insults.Moderator.


and how long will beez be beanned?

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That is not your concern,you can see in this topic he was warned many times and decided to reply with an insult.It is not a permanent ban.
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[dzerassa]

Interestingly, everything he says about Palin and her inexperience in that video can be used against Obama.


even the "hockey mom"? :)

by the way what does it mean? that her kids go to hockey?

[kentuckydan]

even the "hockey mom"? :)

by the way what does it mean? that her kids go to hockey?

Yes that is what it means, a woman who takes her kids to hockey practice
and yells from the bleachers while the game is on

[Hoopy]

Yes that is what it means, a woman who takes her kids to hockey practice
and yells from the bleachers while the game is on
Like a soccer mum except more dangerous because they have hockey sticks :eek: :lol:

[dzerassa]

and how long will beez be beanned?

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That is not your concern,you can see in this topic he was warned many times and decided to reply with an insult.It is not a permanent ban.
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i beg your pardon but this "this is not your concern" isn't it quite rude? or my english is not good that's why i understand this phrase as offensive

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No it isn't rude and was not mean't to be rude.
I'll rephrase,how long he is banned does not concern you.He had been warned many times and admin was left with no option but to ban him.I hope when he comes back he can be more civil.
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[RiverRock]

dzerassa: even the "hockey mom"?


Yes, Obama is a hockey mom. :preggers: :nhl_checking:

[dzerassa]

Yes, Obama is a hockey mom. :preggers: :nhl_checking:

i wonder if mccane smoked something before the debates? did anyone except him noticed any Djo the plumber? :)

[Hoopy]

Joe the plumber was a man whom Obama had spoke to when he was in the street,mr average american.

[dzerassa]

dear moderator, i don't want to go into polemics with u and i won't 'cause forum is for discussion of forum members with each other and not with admin. just a little remark: it concerns me how long those forum users i usually have discussion with r banned, at least 'cause we have common interets to talk about. and my question was just about how long he was banned. if like in LL u would write date till what a person is banned, i wouldn't ask. that's it. thanks u.


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[dzerassa]

Joe the plumber was a man whom Obama had spoke to when he was in the street,mr average american.


from what i remember mccane was the first to start talking with him, then obama decided he can't give such a benefit to mccane and pretended he see this plumber as well :)

average american is a plumber?

[kentuckydan]

i wonder if mccane smoked something before the debates? did anyone except him noticed any Djo the plumber? :)

Quite a few people noticed him, the video of his exchange with Obama has gone viral on the web here in the States.

RZcEHLr4gBg

[kentuckydan]

from what i remember mccane was the first to start talking with him, then obama decided he can't give such a benefit to mccane and pretended he see this plumber as well :)

average american is a plumber?

It evokes the average working American, the guy who lives next door

He didn't "pretend" he saw the plumber, it was his exchange with the man
that set events in motion

[dzerassa]

They speak too fast, i almost don't understand them :)


did i understand correct: cnn supports obmama, fox news supports mccane ?

[dzerassa]

I

He didn't "pretend" he saw the plumber, it was his exchange with the man


i was joking, dan :)

but i also didn't know there was real djo the plumber with whom obama was speaking in the street. i thought it was just figurative example

[kentuckydan]

They speak too fast, i almost don't understand them :)


did i understand correct: cnn supports obmama, fox news supports mccane ?

Close I would say Fox supports McCain

CNN, NBC, CBS, ABC and MSNBC support Obama

[Lucker]

Close I would say Fox supports McCain

CNN, NBC, CBS, ABC and MSNBC support Obama

Nice to see that the majority of news sources can see straight --- unlike a great many people here , apparently .

[kentuckydan]

Nice to see that the majority of news sources can see straight --- unlike a great many people here , apparently .

Yes some folks are only able to view the world through a Liberal lens

Myself, I don't watch TV news too much it's usually just sound bites

[RiverRock]

is a privilege and not a right.

It is a privilege for GG to have all of us regulars constantly posting content for this forum for free also. That if you added more incoming links would be picked up by search engines creating tons of traffic to be monetized with the google adsense or other means.

There are many people that would love to own an internet property and its community like this one.

Sorry, as an an American :becky: I abhor dictatorial tones of voice but I do appreciate this forum very much. And everyone that has ever gotten banned deserved it.


do not post on behalf of a banned or removed member, you may also be banned without notice or warning.

public protests and demonstrations on behalf of banned members are not allowed in Forum.

I am posting on behalf of dzerassa who has not been banned. She was just asking because all of us talk everyday and she was just wondering how long. No protest or demonstration .

[dzerassa]

I am posting on behalf of dzerassa who has not been banned. She was just asking because all of us talk everyday and she was just wondering how long. No protest or demonstration .

thanks brandon, i thought only i understood that my question was about timing

[Lucker]

do not post on behalf of a banned or removed member, you may also be banned without notice or warning.

public protests and demonstrations on behalf of banned members are not allowed in Forum.

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I feel sure GG will be apologising as he clearly muddled his Posts .
The type of sentiment expressed is exactly what nobody wants to see --- it is one thing to gently remind people of rules ( they are not relevant in this situation) but quite another to pronounce in a high handed , imperious manner
It would be wise to practise person to person skills to avoid a similar repetition and therefore before giving another impression of Claudius ticking off the servants .

[Voobrazheniye]

Nice to see that the majority of news sources can see straight --- unlike a great many people here , apparently .

The real point is that news organizations should NOT be openly supporting ANY candidate. They should do their best to be impartial and to provide voters with the facts about BOTH candidates. Most of the major news organizations in the U.S. hava abandonded this concept and have become little more than propaganda arms for the campaigns.

All of these organizations have commentators, who are clearly on one side or the other. I don't have a problem with that. And you should not judge the "bias" of a news organization by its commentators and opinion-peddlers. You should be smart enough to realize wht they do.

But when the so-called "news" departments of these organizations abandon any notion of journalistic integrity and SLANT their news reporting in favor of one candidate, then it is a scandal. The MOST guilty of this has been NBC and it's struggling cable operation, MSNBC, which are so ridiculously in the tank for Obamessiah that no one in this organization has the right to call himself a "journalist." CNN, CBS and, to a lesser extent, ABC also slant their news coverage heavily to present the best possible image of Obamessiah and the worst of McCain.

In the United States, "journalistic integrity" has become an oxymoron.

[Calibret]

Well I'm glad we could all come together for this worthy cause.
Hmmm...what was it again?

[alpine-frolic]

About Joe the plumber, it happens he is as much a plumber as i am a trader. Medias revealed he has even some problems , a debt, with taxes offices...

[Lucker]

Boo Bras ,
I agree with a deal of your comments .
However , in this instance I do not believe Americans should want to associate with the Chip Man's ticket !! But not for party political reasons and differences . I personally think they are "small beer" and almost insignificant compared to the big picture . Though , naturally , I do appreciate that the man in the street is possibly only interested in the smaller domestic picture
In this bigger picture I think to have a team like McCain and Palin represent your country as one block of main opinion is most unfortunate and the more so when you desperately need a huge change of pace , style and strategy . To a huge chunk of the rest of the world they frankly look like a joke ---- some satirical effort to show how things can go wrong
Of course you probably don't too much care what the otside world thinks of your choices and the way your system gets results .
But my point is that you should .The days when the US could go it alone are over . The days when people would listen to you because of your money are indisputably over .
You are no longer perceived as a role model and not a good advocate for Democracy .
Mc Cain and Palin look tired and everything we no longer want in this rapidly evolving world . Somehow you need to inject life and honesty into your political system that prevents the possibility of this present picture ever being repeated --- it demeans your country . imo

[Voobrazheniye]

Boo Bras ,
I agree with a deal of your comments .
However , in this instance I do not believe Americans should want to associate with the Chip Man's ticket !! But not for party political reasons and differences . I personally think they are "small beer" and almost insignificant compared to the big picture . Though , naturally , I do appreciate that the man in the street is possibly only interested in the smaller domestic picture
In this bigger picture I think to have a team like McCain and Palin represent your country as one block of main opinion is most unfortunate and the more so when you desperately need a huge change of pace , style and strategy . To a huge chunk of the rest of the world they frankly look like a joke ---- some satirical effort to show how things can go wrong
Of course you probably don't too much care what the otside world thinks of your choices and the way your system gets results .
But my point is that you should .The days when the US could go it alone are over . The days when people would listen to you because of your money are indisputably over .
You are no longer perceived as a role model and not a good advocate for Democracy .
Mc Cain and Palin look tired and everything we no longer want in this rapidly evolving world . Somehow you need to inject life and honesty into your political system that prevents the possibility of this present picture ever being repeated --- it demeans your country . imo

Rambling Rave... let me respond with a simple question: would you want other countries - let's say, for example, the French or the Russians - to decide what the British government, or even the very structure of British society, should look like? Or do you believe it is up to yourself and your countrymen to make that choice?

[Gabber]

just a little remark: it concerns me how long those forum users i usually have discussion with r banned, at least 'cause we have common interets to talk about. and my question was just about how long he was banned. if like in LL u would write date till what a person is banned, i wouldn't ask. that's it. thanks u


dzerassa on average bans last around a week give or take, if it is a permanent ban it will say so, as I mentioned before there is no other person besides me who can ban a member, now it is mostly a collective decision, but I still have the upper hand. feel free to ask mods why the post was edited or deleted if there is no reason given, but when it comes to ban,
there will be no discussions. technically it would take a lot of time and effort to have the same ban system here as it was on LL and we do not have that much time to have it done.
So as you probably have already noticed with a couple of previous bans everyone is back happy and kicking in about a week time.

[Gabber]

It is a privilege for GG to have all of us regulars constantly posting content for this forum for free also.

could not agree more

[Lucker]

I think Jurassic should be banned occasionally until she admits the truth of the Russian invasion of Georgian territories .
Or , perhaps , we can have monthly equivalents of punishment in the stocks , which would last a day and allow every member three free throws at them --- however , filthy and abusive .
May be there could be a prize for the most filthy and abusive suggestions .

[kentuckydan]

About Joe the plumber, it happens he is as much a plumber as i am a trader. Medias revealed he has even some problems , a debt, with taxes offices...

He works as a plumber's helper, who has the liscence,

Oh he has problems with Taxes? Well no wonder he is concerned about having them raised,

Media certainly did an indepth number on this guy who was playing ball with his kids in his own yard when Obama came up and Joe decided to ask him a question.

They don't seem as interested in the Obama Campaign's Treasurer who seems to have the same financial problems as Joe, with the exception that this guy has Tax liens in more than one State.


L.A. Times: Joe the Plumber Has Liens!!!!1!! (http://www.patterico.com/2008/10/16/la-times-joe-the-plumber-has-liens1/)

The Los Angeles Times reports:

According to court records, creditors have secured at least two liens against [Joe the Plumber] Wurzelbacher, whose legal name is Samuel. Ohio has a $1,182 lien for owed taxes and St. Charles Mercy Hospital has filed a 2007 lien for $1,261.

I think we can all agree that this is critical information.

Not because it says anything about Joe the Plumber, mind you. But it does serve a useful function: it warns any future citizen who might dare question Barack Obama that his life will be closely scrutinized for any irrelevant but embarrassing information.

So, you know. Critical in that sense.

Oh — I almost forgot to mention: Martin Nesbitt, the treasurer of Obama’s campaign (http://www.latimes.com/news/printedition/front/la-na-basketball4-2008oct04,0,6611305.story), has tax liens. So do his companies.
(http://webofdeception.com/obama.html#nesbitt)
You’d think that matters more than the tax liens of Joe the Plumber, wouldn’t you? But good luck finding a Big Media story about Nesbitt’s liens.

[Lucker]

Revealing facts and dispelling misapprehension is questionable or even bad , suggested Mr K Smutty from knockabout Iowa village , Cedar Springs .
Mr Smutty was taken to a local Hospital for routine tests .

[kentuckydan]

Revealing facts and dispelling misapprehension is questionable or even bad , suggested Mr K Smutty from knockabout Iowa village , Cedar Springs .
Mr Smutty was taken to a local Hospital for routine tests .

Cedar Rapids and it's surprisingly Cosmopolitan for a "knockabout Iowa village"

Home of the Mother Mosque of the Western Hemisphere, close to a Commune run by
the Maharesh Mahesh Yogi, there's a Hindu Temple nearby quite a far ranging mix of Cultures, due mainly to the fact that it is a High Technology Center.

My Company has wide ranging operations for one head quarter and originated in a knock about village

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