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Neilikka
10-13-2008, 03:29 PM
I have been trying to understand the nature of Russia's economic crisis, but honestly, I don't see any crisis. Instead, I see a number of surprising moves by the government. For example, the authorities permitted the Central Bank to extend loans to Russian banks without requiring collateral. How is that possible? Of the 500 banks in Moscow, I suppose 400 launder their money -- and now they can get credit without collateral as well.

Are things really all that bad? After all, it is natural for the stock market to take a dive with so many margin calls coming in.

Many Russian companies have absolutely no problem with liquidity. Billionaire Mikhail Prokhorov has a ton of cash. The Magnitogorsk Iron & Steel Works also has a heap of currency because the company's accountants have probably never heard the word "derivatives." Surgutneftegaz has more cash than it can count.

Yevgeny Chichvarkin, former co-owner of the successful but debt-burdened Yevroset chain, recently sold his company for about $500 million in cash. Stephen Jennings of Renaissance Group also recently sold half his company for $500 million -- just a year after rejecting a $2 billion buyout bid from VTB.

Despite all of this, nothing has changed for consumers. Yevroset has not stopped selling cellular phones, and Renaissance Capital continues to provide its financial services. Why should the fate of any businessperson deep in debt differ from Chichvarkin's fate?

The government's intervention is far from risk-free. It is behaving as if its gold and currency reserves were unlimited. They are immense, but they are not unlimited.

Russia has an official who has always been opposed to senseless expenditures -- Finance Minister Alexei Kudrin. However, aside from him, Russia also has the KIT-Finance investment bank that got burned on the mortgage credit market. Kudrin took great pains to turn that bank around, and in the end he saved it. It's clear that after the Kremlin brought KIT-Finance back from the edge, Kudrin cannot veto efforts by other top officials to bail out companies with which they have personal ties. That would be perceived as playing unfairly.

Russia has another official who knows what to do with the state debt: Kudrin's former deputy finance minister, Sergei Storchak. Unfortunately, Storchak has been jailed on charges of fraud. Maybe in the state's hour of need they will let him out.

Russia's economy works like this: Russia sells oil and gas and uses the proceeds to buy everything else -- from Mercedes cars to cement. For now, the economic crisis has affected only the elite by redistributing their business shares.

Naturally, everything I've said here makes sense only as long as the U.S. mortgage meltdown does not drive oil prices down too far. If that happens, it will become clear that the world is, in fact, unipolar. It will prove that the United States is a superpower -- not because it sends tanks and troops abroad, but because its financial problems will have triggered a global crisis.

Yulia Latynina

Yulia Latynina hosts a political talk show on Ekho Moskvy

Moscow Times

saprosky
10-13-2008, 04:24 PM
I like this album ...

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And specially this song was very famous in Spain some years ago.


PS: For youngers, Supertramp - Crisis ? What crisis ??? (1975) and the song: Another Man's Woman

PS2: Listen this music while read (or not) this thread :becky:

Lucker
10-13-2008, 04:32 PM
I don't think your Post is useful , Sapristi .

Bella , I have replied extensively to the other article you published which is virtually identical in intent .
All I will say here is that Kudrin is in such deep trouble that he has publicly floated the idea of investing Pension money into the Financial Markets .
Russia is in deep , deep trouble and I would be taking any money I held out of the Banks as a repeat of 1998 could happen again .
Unlike your usual articles where expressed opinions can be taken with a pinch of salt , these articles underline how serious matters are and you are on the edge of a terrible shock .
Remember my words , down the line .

alpine-frolic
10-13-2008, 04:53 PM
Isn't your post useless Salmondive?

Lucker
10-13-2008, 05:06 PM
Don't push your luck Frenchie!
I diplomatically suggested that rudeness of that type is unnecessary .
While you may not like my Posts ,I AT LEAST STRING THOUGHTS TOGETHER AND INVITE DIALOGUE -- MATTERS WHICH ARE CONSPICUOUS THROUGH THEIR ABSENCE WITH YOU .

Neilikka
10-13-2008, 05:11 PM
Ramon,I promise, lying down the line I will remember your words.

saprosky
10-13-2008, 05:19 PM
I don't think your Post is useful , Sapristi .



Ramonchu, just music for listen while reading. No more.

BTW, if you read my post about earnings of some Wall Street people, will understand that not everybody are in crisis. Some, sadly for us, are enjoying with it.

alpine-frolic
10-13-2008, 05:22 PM
Don't push your luck Frenchie!
I diplomatically suggested that rudeness of that type is unnecessary .
While you may not like my Posts ,I AT LEAST STRING THOUGHTS TOGETHER AND INVITE DIALOGUE -- MATTERS WHICH ARE CONSPICUOUS THROUGH THEIR ABSENCE WITH YOU .
I am not so lucky, i push nothing...
How can we dialog i think french while you think english?
Sometimes what you call rudeness is politeness for me...Dont make me cry baby.

alpine-frolic
10-13-2008, 05:33 PM
Don't push your luck Frenchie!
I diplomatically suggested that rudeness of that type is unnecessary .
While you may not like my Posts ,I AT LEAST STRING THOUGHTS TOGETHER AND INVITE DIALOGUE -- MATTERS WHICH ARE CONSPICUOUS THROUGH THEIR ABSENCE WITH YOU .

BTW IT IS FORBIDDEN TO WRITE ENTIRE SENTENCES IN FULL CAPITALS. NEXT TIME AS A GOOD GG CITIZEN I WILL HAVE TO REPORT YOU TO GESTAPO.

Lucker
10-13-2008, 06:03 PM
Jean Paul Merdre ,
One of the few things that angers me is the attitude , "I cannot change anything " , " My voice is not heard " etc
The Kop out philosophy .
I have returned to calm and wise , but , ike all Serial Killers , I never forget .

Neilikka
10-13-2008, 06:19 PM
And we will remember that you wish all Russians could die from starvation in the cardboard boxes under the bridges, down the line. Thank you, kindly genleman.

bobbyd
10-13-2008, 06:57 PM
And we will remember that you wish all Russians could die from starvation in the cardboard boxes under the bridges, down the line. Thank you, kindly genleman.


I don't know where that was mentioned. M, it is dialogue and many of the posts written here and in other threads are sincere thoughts based on what we read in newspapers, the 'net and watch on TV. Surely some of what is written must interest you and make you ask questions? Can we all be wrong?

slkasop
10-13-2008, 07:22 PM
I do not think that anyone on this site bears any ill will towards the Russian people. I have found that they are much like the people found in the American midwest where I was born and raised. I have found that the Russians in Moscow are like the people in New York and who are much concerned with living than in any great political or philosophical world view....survival is a human trait. I have found that I really feel comfortable with the Russians east of the Urals. It is like being around someone from the American west.
Criticism on this site directed at Russia is mostly against the political decisions made by the government. I was told by a Russian that if a politician says it, it is a lie. That sounds like a valid judgment on all politicians.

alpine-frolic
10-13-2008, 07:47 PM
Jean Paul Merdre ,
One of the few things that angers me is the attitude , "I cannot change anything " , " My voice is not heard " etc
The Kop out philosophy .
I have returned to calm and wise , but , ike all Serial Killers , I never forget .

Half of my goal in GG is reached yet, i am going to be unforgetable. It seems my voice been heard and i can change your attitude behind me.
I like the music of your bullets above my head, as a real britt you have fired your gun the 1st.
I don't like the yeild sound of a life falling in the dirt, mostly if it's mine.

sliver
10-15-2008, 04:27 AM
many of the posts written here and in other threads are sincere thoughts based on what we read in newspapers, the 'net and watch on TV. Surely some of what is written must interest you and make you ask questions? Can we all be wrong?

yep, you can.. why not? cause mass media is committed and always follows & serve political purposes.. especially well-developed media machine as western with their PR-agencies great job and rich experience for last century. russian mass media is a child in contrast with yours.. but it tries :rolleyes: