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saprosky
10-12-2008, 10:09 PM
Some american oil companies locked this video and finally forbidden to show it in ABC

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rainy-day
10-13-2008, 07:27 AM
Some american oil companies locked this video and finally forbidden to show it in ABC

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of course they did. they win so much money, they create crises and paranoia through people, only for some money they actually can't take with them in the grave.

kentuckydan
10-13-2008, 09:03 AM
Wind and Solar have a place where they are economically viable, but sorry
they can help, but cannot provide a new Primary Energy Source.

What has been blocked poltically is not Wind or Solar Energy Production
but Fission Energy Production,

France gets over 3/4s of it's Electrical Energy from Fission Reactors.

Where are ours??

saprosky
10-13-2008, 09:26 AM
In Spain, 10% of energy production is wind energy. And about solar energy, all new buildings must have (mandatory) solar panels to get energy for itselfs.

Maybe will not eliminate oil energy dependence but will reduce.

beezneesman
10-13-2008, 09:29 AM
Wind and Solar have a place where they are economically viable, but sorry
they can help, but cannot provide a new Primary Energy Source.

What has been blocked poltically is not Wind or Solar Energy Production
but Fission Energy Production,

France gets over 3/4s of it's Electrical Energy from Fission Reactors.

Where are ours??

I agree. Nuclear is the way forward for providing a firm foundation for energy supply. People are starting to wake up to this fact here in the UK and things are 'slowly' starting to move in that direction as far as I can tell (but could move a lot faster). Diversity of sources of supply is also important so we also need to do more with wave and wind power here in the UK.

The treehuggers need to be told quite firmly to get back in their box and stay there.

kentuckydan
10-13-2008, 11:25 AM
In Spain, 10% of energy production is wind energy. And about solar energy, all new buildings must have (mandatory) solar panels to get energy for itselfs.

Maybe will not eliminate oil energy dependence but will reduce.

Still a meager 10% of present consumption is not meaningful.

There are those who enthuse about switching from petroleum based transportation
ie car and trucks to electrical vehicles.

I have yet to hear any of them explain how they plan to double the production of electricity, which would be required to make that move.

I am not against a new Primary Energy Source, I am for it, I would prefer petroleum be used for lubricants, plastics and fertilizer.

bucksbunny
10-13-2008, 03:45 PM
Still a meager 10% of present consumption is not meaningful.

There are those who enthuse about switching from petroleum based transportation
ie car and trucks to electrical vehicles.

I have yet to hear any of them explain how they plan to double the production of electricity, which would be required to make that move.

I am not against a new Primary Energy Source, I am for it, I would prefer petroleum be used for lubricants, plastics and fertilizer.

and me I like to usse the sun to get laid

saprosky
10-13-2008, 03:50 PM
Still a meager 10% of present consumption is not meaningful.

There are those who enthuse about switching from petroleum based transportation
ie car and trucks to electrical vehicles.

I have yet to hear any of them explain how they plan to double the production of electricity, which would be required to make that move.

I am not against a new Primary Energy Source, I am for it, I would prefer petroleum be used for lubricants, plastics and fertilizer.

Only 10% because people don't like big helix in top of the mountains that break a nice landscape. We have many windy regions (Do you remember "Don Quixote" and the windmills?) so we could have more energy than now. And solar energy could be, at least for Spain, a big bet for the future.

alpine-frolic
10-13-2008, 07:32 PM
I agree. Nuclear is the way forward for providing a firm foundation for energy supply. People are starting to wake up to this fact here in the UK and things are 'slowly' starting to move in that direction as far as I can tell (but could move a lot faster). Diversity of sources of supply is also important so we also need to do more with wave and wind power here in the UK.

The treehuggers need to be told quite firmly to get back in their box and stay there.

Nuclear energy isn't without bad sides, big problems with wastes. Uranium resources aren't eternal so, when will we have Uranium peak?
A nuclear powerplant has a life of 30 years , costly to built , costly to dismantle.
Not yet the ideal energy spring.
We are searching for something else in black holes.

beezneesman
10-13-2008, 07:41 PM
Nuclear energy isn't without bad sides, big problems with wastes. Uranium resources aren't eternal so, when will we have Uranium peak?
A nuclear powerplant has a life of 30 years , costly to built , costly to dismantle.
Not yet the ideal energy spring.
We are searching for something else in black holes.

Nuclear technology has improved a huge amount in the last couple of decades. The main problem is people like you who are obviously scientifically illiterate and think it is like some form of witchcraft.

Storage of high level nuclear waste is an entirely solvable technical problem. The volumes of material are not large.

alpine-frolic
10-13-2008, 08:40 PM
Nuclear technology has improved a huge amount in the last couple of decades. The main problem is people like you who are obviously scientifically illiterate and think it is like some form of witchcraft.

Storage of high level nuclear waste is an entirely solvable technical problem. The volumes of material are not large.

You're right, i am scientifically illiterate. Some weeks ago a banker of mine said me so that i was financially illiterate. I had same problems with a real estate manager months ago.

beezneesman
10-13-2008, 08:46 PM
You're right, i am scientifically illiterate. Some weeks ago a banker of mine said me so that i was financially illiterate. I had same problems with a real estate manager months ago.

You'd better stay at home then and leave important decisions to others ;)

kentuckydan
10-14-2008, 03:03 AM
Only 10% because people don't like big helix in top of the mountains that break a nice landscape. We have many windy regions (Do you remember "Don Quixote" and the windmills?) so we could have more energy than now. And solar energy could be, at least for Spain, a big bet for the future.

And what do you do if the wind dies down and it is overcast?

saprosky
10-14-2008, 08:35 AM
And what do you do if the wind dies down and it is overcast?

Windmills need a ligth wind to generate energy and they are located in places with a minimal assured wind. So more wind more energy.

Solar plants have batteries, no sun no problem. But Spain is one of the most sunny countries of the world :l_sunny:

In fact is the same problem than hydroelectric power stations. If you dont have water, no energy. All power generators have some kind of batteries to save energy.