Goodbye Russia: The end of the Russian bride dream

[Inurface]

I'm writing this from my hotel room in Moscow. Though I loved Russia very much and I gave myself to her fully with all my heart, honestly, now I hardly wait to leave. Unfortunatelly, my tickets and hotel room are already booked and payed in advance, so I'm just waiting for the day of bthe departure.
The russian dating dream for me it's over. It's a lie. It's true that there are succesful stories, but they are very rare. The whole thing was overidealized by the marriage agencies. I invested so much emotions, hopes, energy and money in this "russian dating" thing for many years, and finally I ended alone and hurt. But let me tell you the whole backround. I don't ask for an advice or a pitty, I just want you to tell you my story and to warn others.

I have traveled to Russia and Ukraine not once. I even speak the language not too bad, I became very interested in it's culture, folklore, history, arts and litterature. I have travelled throughout Russia all the way to Siberia. I have visited many cities, jumped from train to a train, I became really in lovbe with this part of the world. The problems which foreign tourists face in Russia, I considered them "small annoyances" and I have never let them spoil my trip, because I really loved the country and I really believed that I can find someone there.

In the past, I had a long relationship with a russian girl, which unfortunately ended over some disagreements. She was a wonderful person, beautiful, well educated, well behaved. A kind of a girl that can hardly be found anymore. We travelled to each other places, met each other families etc. She wanted marriage, and tho I didn't disagree, I suggested that we should think about it. I was not sure if I'm ready. That hurt her and I felt really sorry about that. After I thought about everything, I went to her city to ask her for forgivness. But she was quite stubborn and revengeful, so it didn't work out. I felt very bad. Although that relationship ended, I still have good opinion about her. She was a wonderful person. What I'm trying to explain here is that I'm not new in this russian dating thing.

Having a good impression and good memories from that russian girl, I decided to go to Russia again and find someone new. There were some adventures, short affairs, sex, but I couldn't find anyone serious. I remember the good old LL days and the old forum, where western men complained that western women became impossible to deal with, that they became so capritious, selfish, arrogant, while the FSU women were praised for being feminine, charming, marriage and family-oriented, "they like flowers and kids", "they know how to cook" and so on... so many men looked for the "lost ideal" in the East, where "true values" still exist.

While indeed there are nice women in the FSU (I know from my experience), the bad news is that the most of the girls there are actually capritious, selfish and arrogant the same way as their western counterparts. I was a victim of that idealized picture of the FSU woman. The reality is that, most of the FSU girls on the dating sites do not need anyone, they are not romantic at all, they are also arroganbt, selfish, capritious, iresponsible, they look very good, so they have enough local choices, they don't appreciate anything, they only play with foreign men or use them. Ask them to tell you honestly why did they joined LL, in most cases it's just for curiousity or fun. Their profiles read "marriage, long relationship", it's a pure lie. They dont want anything serious. I tried to date many of them, they don't give a damn that you travelled for miles to see them (if someone comes to my country to see me, I would be so flattered, I would feed him or her to death, show him around, make him or her feel good), they dont care about the stress, expenses and paperwork you weng through, they dont appreciate that you try to treat them like a gentleman, they don't appreciate tenderness and romance, the dinners or gifts, they dont appreciate anything. Once you are gone, they'll replace you with another clown to entertain them. And I noticed a trait of their mentality, they are very vindictive, they are allowed to hurt you and abuse you in every possible way, but if you make just a tiny mistake, they'll destroy you. There's no such thing as compromise, forgivness.

I was not a victim of a scam. I somehow understand scammers or golddiggers, they want your money, they are evil, but reasonable people. I think that the worst kind of people are "players".They don't want anything. They just kill time by hurting people, manipulating them, spining them around. West or East, it's the same now, we live in a time of globalisation. Russian girls today don't grow with the Red Riding Hood, but with Lady Gaga. It's all the same. But at the same time, Russia remains a closed society. While there are many tourist potentials, tourists are not let in freely, though these girls appear to be very cosmopolitan, deeply in their minds they are closed to foreigners. Many disagreements arise from the difference in mentalities. They will never try to really learn about the mentality of your country, they will never try to put themselves in your shoes. They think that everyone must think as russian.

I found myself alone in a hotel room, with a bottle of beer in my hand, asking myself "what the hell am I doing in a country, where I have spent valuable time, money and emotions, but no one wants me?"

Why should I travel to a country and give my valuable time and money, where I can't go freely to the nearby store to get some beer without carying bunch of useless papers (visas, migration cards, registrations..), being checked by the police etc...? Why shoudl I travel to a country where I'm treated rude at shops or hotels or other places? (fortunatelly this changes in the FSU, but it still exists) ? Why should I go to a country where my money is being rejected at the exchange offices "because they had a microscopic scratch"? Why should I help the economy with thousands of euros or dollars of a country that treats its own citizens so bad? Why should I travel to a county where everything is absurd? Why should I travel to a country, which I give my whole heart to and no one wants me there?

And after all what I have gone through, I will probably be labeled a "sex tourist", I noticed this is common in this forum. OK, where's the sex? While I'm sitting in this room alone, the real sex tourists are doing their thing.

Anyway, the answer is very simple. I'm not going to Russia anymore. I will go back to my country. I will enjoy the sun in the yard of my house, I will watch the squirrels jumping from a tree to a tree. I will be very lonely, I know, perhaps i will never marry or have kids, but at least I will be home. Enough of all this nonsence.

[Inurface]

Goodbye Russia forever, no need to kiss goodbye
Goodbye Russia and your good people in the platzkarts
Goodbye Russia and your drunken idiots in those same platzkarts, nomeratsiya vagona s hvosta poezda
Goodbye Russia and the brainwashed masses dressed in black with black caps waiting in ocheredi for train tickets with depressed faces (tho they can order them by internet but they dont want, they are happy to wait in ocheredi at the kassa where there are always pererivs. I wanted to order by internet but the russian sites constantly reject my card, which is accepted everywhere else in the world)
Goodbye Russia and the shops where they shout "Govorite!" at you
Goodbye Moscow, Piter, Kazan, Ekaterinburg, Novosbirsk, Voronezh, Rostov na Donu, Krasnodar...
Goodbye Volga, Don and Kuban
Goodbye Russia and the unrenovated hotel rooms (not that I expect luxury at the inexpensive rooms, but the door knob should not remain in my hand if I open the door)
Goodbye Russia and the obshezhitia
Goodbye Russia and your beautiful cities, theatres, parks and parades
Goodbye Russia and your brave heroes
Goodbye Russia and your bloodthirsty dictators and tsars and despots
Goodbye dear Visotskiy, Okudzhava, you were not for this world thats why you died (ok, Bulat was old)
Goodbye small and expensive portions at the restaurants (salads the size of an ashtray)
Goodbye Russia and that idiot Kirkorov (whom you treat as a great pop star, dunno why)
Goodbye Russia and Rozova kovtochka
Goodbye Ukraine and your salo
Goodbye Ukraine and your "H" instead of "G" ("hostinitsa")
Goodbye Kiev, Odessa, Zaporozhye, Donetsk, Kharkov and LuHansk
Goodbye Ukraine and your hloptsi kozatskoho rodu
Goodbye Kazakhstan and your Borat
Goodbye Moscow metro, where people read books (not all of them, but still)
Goodbye Dzhamshut and other Central Asian emigrants who sell shaurma with garlic sauce, which tastes like paper and desperation
Goodbye all the girls whom I didn't sleep with
Goodbye internal passports and propiskas
Goodbye visa support, fake reservations and tourist vouchers, migration cards and uvedomleniya o pribitii inostranogo turista
Goodbye cossack stanitsas, steppes, Ural mountains and Siberian taiga
Goodbye "Nu zayets pogodi!"
Goodbye Shurik
Goodbye Sberbank
Goodbye Propaganda (this place sucks)
Goodbye Dostoyevski, Pushkin, Chehov, Lermontov, Rahmaninov, Bulgakov, Gogol, Solzhenitsin and Tchaykovski (I meant the caffe, "chay" (tea) and kofski (coffee))
Goodbye Cherepovets, Voloigodskaya Oblast and Severstal (that 17 y.o. girl was beautiful)
Goodbye Magadan, Vorkuta and your GULAGs
Goodbye Victory Day and three times "URA!"
Goodbye likvidatori of Chernobyl
Goodbye Afghantsi
Godbye inostranntsi
Goodbye Africans that speaks russian
Goodbye Zhirinovski
Goodbye tovarish ministr oborony
Goodbye tovarish politruk
Goodbye tovarish starshiy praporshik
Goodbye dedovshina
Goodbye prostitues (perhaps I should have called one, it would be better than spending time, emotions and money on someone who doesn't deserve)
Goodbye airports and vokzals (the saddest places on the planet, where people say goodbye)
Goodbye pharmacies where they don't have Durex ultra thin condoms (they have "Contex", they are terrible)
Goodbye Laskoviy May
Goodbye Nikolay Baskov and Bratya Grimm
Goodbye Sochi Olimpic Games, World cup in Piter and Euro cup in Ukraine (how you managed to get it?)
Goodbye Barcelona-Shaktar in Donetsk (all the rooms were booked by Spaniards)
Goodbye "Lucky" Lovers dot net and Lucky Strike (which I can hardly find in Russia)
Goodbye day mne spichku da zakurim
Goodbye Tarkovski, Sokurov and Mihalkov
Goodbye Pesnyari with your moustaches and 70's hairstyles
Goodbye Chumachechaya Vesna i nam ne do sna La la la la la la
Goodbye Soviet Union...
Goodbye Russia
I have my own country. If someone wants to visit me - pay yourself a ticket, book a nomer and you'll have a chance to see me in my all natural beauty.
I'm not going to the FSU ever again...
Nevermore, Nevermore....

[Inurface]

Goodbye Russia forever, no need to kiss goodbye
Goodbye Russia and your good people in the platzkarts
Goodbye Russia and your drunken idiots in those same platzkarts, nomeratsiya vagona s hvosta poezda
Goodbye Russia and the brainwashed masses dressed in black with black caps waiting in ocheredi for train tickets with depressed faces (tho they can order them by internet but they dont want, they are happy to wait in ocheredi at the kassa where there are always pererivs. I wanted to order by internet but the russian sites constantly reject my card, which is accepted everywhere else in the world)
Goodbye Russia and the shops where they shout "Govorite!" at you
Goodbye Moscow, Piter, Kazan, Ekaterinburg, Novosbirsk, Voronezh, Rostov na Donu, Krasnodar...
Goodbye Volga, Don and Kuban
Goodbye Russia and the unrenovated hotel rooms (not that I expect luxury at the inexpensive rooms, but the door knob should not remain in my hand if I open the door)
Goodbye Russia and the obshezhitia
Goodbye Russia and your beautiful cities, theatres, parks and parades
Goodbye Russia and your brave heroes
Goodbye Russia and your bloodthirsty dictators and tsars and despots
Goodbye dear Visotskiy, Okudzhava, you were not for this world thats why you died (ok, Bulat was old)
Goodbye small and expensive portions at the restaurants (salads the size of an ashtray)
Goodbye Russia and that idiot Kirkorov (whom you treat as a great pop star, dunno why)
Goodbye Russia and Rozova kovtochka
Goodbye Ukraine and your salo
Goodbye Ukraine and your "H" instead of "G" ("hostinitsa")
Goodbye Kiev, Odessa, Zaporozhye, Donetsk, Kharkov and LuHansk
Goodbye Ukraine and your hloptsi kozatskoho rodu
Goodbye Kazakhstan and your Borat
Goodbye Moscow metro, where people read books (not all of them, but still)
Goodbye Dzhamshut and other Central Asian emigrants who sell shaurma with garlic sauce, which tastes like paper and desperation
Goodbye all the girls whom I didn't sleep with
Goodbye internal passports and propiskas
Goodbye visa support, fake reservations and tourist vouchers, migration cards and uvedomleniya o pribitii inostranogo turista
Goodbye cossack stanitsas, steppes, Ural mountains and Siberian taiga
Goodbye "Nu zayets pogodi!"
Goodbye Shurik
Goodbye Sberbank
Goodbye Propaganda (this place sucks)
Goodbye Dostoyevski, Pushkin, Chehov, Lermontov, Rahmaninov, Bulgakov, Gogol, Solzhenitsin and Tchaykovski (I meant the caffe, "chay" (tea) and kofski (coffee))
Goodbye Cherepovets, Voloigodskaya Oblast and Severstal (that 17 y.o. girl was beautiful)
Goodbye Magadan, Vorkuta and your GULAGs
Goodbye Victory Day and three times "URA!"
Goodbye likvidatori of Chernobyl
Goodbye Afghantsi
Godbye inostranntsi
Goodbye Africans that speaks russian
Goodbye Zhirinovski
Goodbye tovarish ministr oborony
Goodbye tovarish politruk
Goodbye tovarish starshiy praporshik
Goodbye dedovshina
Goodbye prostitues (perhaps I should have called one, it would be better than spending time, emotions and money on someone who doesn't deserve)
Goodbye airports and vokzals (the saddest places on the planet, where people say goodbye)
Goodbye pharmacies where they don't have Durex ultra thin condoms (they have "Contex", they are terrible)
Goodbye Laskoviy May
Goodbye Nikolay Baskov and Bratya Grimm
Goodbye Sochi Olimpic Games, World cup in Piter and Euro cup in Ukraine (how you managed to get it?)
Goodbye Barcelona-Shaktar in Donetsk (all the rooms were booked by Spaniards)
Goodbye "Lucky" Lovers dot net and Lucky Strike (which I can hardly find in Russia)
Goodbye day mne spichku da zakurim
Goodbye Tarkovski, Sokurov and Mihalkov
Goodbye Pesnyari with your moustaches and 70's hairstyles
Goodbye Chumachechaya Vesna i nam ne do sna La la la la la la
Goodbye Soviet Union...
Goodbye Russia
I have my own country. If someone wants to visit me - pay yourself a ticket, book a nomer and you'll have a chance to see me in my all natural beauty.
I'm not going to the FSU ever again...
Nevermore, Nevermore....

[Andylad]

I'm really sorry you feel this way, genuinely i am, but, i think you just had bad luck, i felt the way you do 5 years ago, i was scammed & treated bad, i felt like a complete tosser & swore i would never go back, however, i was asked to go to Saratov on business, i went 4 or 5 times & now do quite a bit of trade over there, i will never trust the Russians in business & insist on money up front before goods are delivered, 15 months ago i met a lovely lady, she was secetary for company i deal with, we went for dinner one night & i walked her home, we spent a fantastic 5 days together, nothing at all went on sex wise, i thought it was just a friend thing, when i got home i received an email from her saying she really liked me & would like to see me again, she (Lana) suggested we meet in Kiev, just to save me getting a visa, meet half way as she put it, my instant thoughts were ''here we go again, i'm gonna get ripped off for flights, travel etc'' but i thought, o.k. see where it goes, so we arranged a date to meet, Lana sorted somewhere to stay, when i arrived at Kiev airport she was there with her son waiting, with a big bunch of flowers for me, the thing that suprised me was, she never asked for a single penny, i offered to pay her flights & she was a little annoyed at that, she did let me pay for half the apartment after an arguement, the agreement we came to was, i buy lunch & dinner & she buy everything else, coffee, snacks etc, Lana said, give me the cash to pay for dinner so they dont rip you off being a foreigner, i'm not stupid when it comes to money & i know she accounted for every bit of cash, we had a great week, i even taught her son (Romain) a little English, he's only 3, the problem i did have was her age, i'm 50, she's 31, shes tall, leggy, great looking & hot as hell, walking down the street i notice all the guy's looking at her, she told me, age is nothing to do with it, all she wants is a nice looking guy (her words not mine) who is not a piss head, who is respectful & hard working, who will love her & treat her son as his own, we have met in Kiev 4 times now & i have still never paid for her flights, i did give her £200 for her birthday, she asked me to take half of it back because she said it was too much,

So, after all these years of looking i think i finally met a nice, honest lady, we have applied for a visa hoping she can come to the U.K. for a month holiday & see how she likes it.

I know you are fed up, depressed & feeling low, but dont give up on it, i met Lana completely out of the blue, i had given up on the EE dating thing, but i think this is the best thing to happen to me for a long long time, chill out, relax & in 12 months or so you might feel different, if you meet someone like Lana, believe me, all the troubles you have had before will dissappear, it really is worth it if you persevere.

Good Luck in whatever you decide to do

:Laie_16:

[Sveta's Hero]

For some the dream has ended, and for others it has become a reality. Sorry to read about what you've gone through.

I am so thankful for the luck I had in meeting my wonderful wife. I've never met a more sincere, loving, loyal, and romantic woman.

[disc999golfer999]

I feel the same way as you after just arriving back from Ukraine on my 2nd trip. I went in 2009 and met many wonderful women. 2 blocked my profile, 1 quit writing to me and out of the several of the others I met nothing happened. This last trip I went to the interior of Ukraine. I think I was set up with a dating escort. She got paid to go on dates with me. No sex, and I barely got a closed mouth peck on the mouth when I left.

In 2000 I sponsored this Russian girl to come to the USA. She just got divorsed and didn't mention it. I quickly realized the reason she divorsed. She was a predator on the make for other women. I also know that she was having a sexual relationship with another girl while she was here. I don't know if she was interested in women, although she seemed to start acting like she was being molested by this girl. I took the girl to court on fraud charges but they didn't stick. I think they made it seem like my girl wanted to have a relationship with this other woman. But I think she was being coersed into it. Then there was the mental crualty, and fraud-n-scam games. She would get a guilty smirk of a grin when I tried to talk to her about money.

Don't give up. Try to meet women where ever they are. Women are the same everywhere just like here. Some are honest, capricious, cunning, cleaver, etc... The difference is in our home country we can screen potential girlfriends better if we meet them and get to know then over months/years before the big SEX/Relationship/Marriage enters the thought process.

So don't give up. Maybe re-adjust your goals and expectations.
Here is my picture from when I was in Kiev in 2009..
http://img819.imageshack.us/img819/5023/ukrainefour.jpg

[NewSarah]

Dear Inurface,
if I knew you personally, I would have probably been sorry for you, but now I am not... Your confession is the classic story of a dating looser. If somebody ask me why I would send you to read the top paragraph of message 1 - the description of your attempts to reject one good woman because she wanted to marry and the attempt to come back to the same water with her, and then to try and find another good woman... Russia or Dasha have nothing to do with what you were feeling when writing this story - it is all about you only.
Anyway, unfortunately I do not have enough time to go into details, but try to understand - you will have the same results in any country, including your own. Unless you will look at yourself with different eyes. Well, no sense to explain more, as you are not going to do it.
But I can help you and save you time, if you take one advice from me for granted - you will never find anybody through the internet. Your woman is somewhere next door and you can meet her in REAL life onlt.
Life is not fair, but it is still good.
I liked one thing in your message so far - Russia is a place of an absurd.
That's true.
Have a good life.

:connie_xmas-moose:

[jimsan]

In all walks of life there are winners and there are losers.
(Losers in love, not in life)
I myself have not been successful in finding true love although I have met some wonderful people along the way.
(And a few nasty ones)
I know very well how disappointing it can be when things don't work out, depressing even.
I know it's much easier to say than do but you must pick yourself up and believe in yourself, have confidence, and know that you are worthy of a good woman.
There will always be bad apples in the basket but don''t let that deter you.
Some guys are lucky and others maybe don't have it so easy.
But never lose your belief in yourself.
Always remember, if a woman doesn't want you, it's her loss, not yours.
:Laie_81:

[jimsan]

Andy, you sound like you hit the jackpot mate, good luck to you !! :victory:

[sparkle]

I find bits I agree with in all the replies.
The best way is, if it happens natural, whatever it is :)
I don't look, that way, I can not be disappointed :D

[L.D.]

While indeed there are nice women in the FSU (I know from my experience), the bad news is that the most of the girls there are actually capritious, selfish and arrogant the same way as their western counterparts. I was a victim of that idealized picture of the FSU woman. The reality is that, most of the FSU girls on the dating sites do not need anyone, they are not romantic at all, they are also arroganbt, selfish, capritious, iresponsible, they look very good, so they have enough local choices, they don't appreciate anything, they only play with foreign men or use them. Ask them to tell you honestly why did they joined LL, in most cases it's just for curiousity or fun. Their profiles read "marriage, long relationship", it's a pure lie. They dont want anything serious. I tried to date many of them, they don't give a damn that you travelled for miles to see them (if someone comes to my country to see me, I would be so flattered, I would feed him or her to death, show him around, make him or her feel good), they dont care about the stress, expenses and paperwork you weng through, they dont appreciate that you try to treat them like a gentleman, they don't appreciate tenderness and romance, the dinners or gifts, they dont appreciate anything. Once you are gone, they'll replace you with another clown to entertain them. And I noticed a trait of their mentality, they are very vindictive, they are allowed to hurt you and abuse you in every possible way, but if you make just a tiny mistake, they'll destroy you. There's no such thing as compromise, forgivness.

If you think that FSU women are selfish and arrogant mostly so why do you still travel there?
You write you tried to date with many of them but it didn't work out with ANY so maybe there is problem in yourself? or you choose wrong ladies which aren't for you originally but you just don't realise it?
You write that "they look very good and have enought of local choices" so why did you expect them to fall inlove with you instead of locals? Because you're a foreigner and travelled for miles and did big paperwork? Or because you took her out for a dinner? Isn't it not enough to fall inlove?

There are too many questions in your story. But probably it's a right decision to stop travels to 'country of selfish and capricious women who don't appreciate anything you do to them'. Go to Thailand :biggrin:

[Gabber]

inurface, welcome to GG, stick around for other subjects.

I have heard your story from dozens of men. For many, it just doesn't work and they move on to other avenues of dating. Every response you receive here will be honest responses so don't feel slighted. Listen man, it didn't work for your personality, your beliefs etc...and that certainly is not uncommon. Move on and good luck with your future choices.

p.s. those old "western women are horrible" descriptions were always over the top. We are who we are no matter where we live.

[NewSarah]

And one more very important thing to understand for all romantic men - women are the same all over the world - it is a very obvious and a simple fact - we are from the same planet. Same with men. Will you believe me if I say that German men are different from Americans of French - they are caring, loving, obedient, can handle all domestic work and problems and good fathers... will you believe me? So why do you believe that FSU women differ from the rest of the world? May be, because you like fairy-tails...
Oh, those fairly-tails,
Oh those fairy-tail-tellers...

[Ambassador]

I think the desire to have of love, a closed the ability to listen carefully to the other. Read a lot of information about good Russian does not mean that all women are perfect. My friend has suffered several blows. now restored, but very want only russian woman. his friends had a brief relationship and married happily. others have had a long relationship but broke up. but happy meeting happen.

[Gabber]

And one more very important thing to understand for all romantic men - women are the same all over the world - it is a very obvious and a simple fact - we are from the same planet. Same with men. Will you believe me if I say that German men are different from Americans of French - they are caring, loving, obedient, can handle all domestic work and problems and good fathers... will you believe me? So why do you believe that FSU women differ from the rest of the world? May be, because you like fairy-tails...
Oh, those fairly-tails,
Oh those fairy-tail-tellers...

exactly sweetie, they are fairy tales but when they work they are beautiful fairy tales. Romance can be anywhere including thousands of miles away or simply just around the corner.

As for the rest of your post I think there is something to be said that Canadian men are quite the catch. Hasn't this beeen proven? :biggrin::not_i:

[NewSarah]

ok - the best true fairy-tail that I have heard for the last 20+ years was a marriage of a Russian man and an American girl. I told this story here once. They met 21 or 22 years ago, married something like 10 years ago and still happy and honey-mooning, with 2 happy kids (kids are always happy if their parents are happy). Following your logic I have to make a conclusion that American girls are the best and I have to ruin my life looking for one like Jennifer. You know I will not do it for many good reasons (my "right" orientation is one of them, the impossibility to meet somebody "like Jennifer" is the other - we are all the same, but still unique).
Your references to the stories that "Mahmud dated a Russian girl and now wants only Russian girls" remind me that it is time to have supper. See ya all soon...

[NewSarah]

Canadian men are quite the catch. Hasn't this beeen proven? :biggrin::not_i:

:viannen_89:

Canadian men could be the best in the world, if German men would not have existed...
:drinks:

[Inurface]

Dear Inurface,
if I knew you personally, I would have probably been sorry for you, but now I am not...

I never asked for pity.

Your confession is the classic story of a dating looser.

No, unfortunately Russia lost. She lost a true friend and a wonderful, charming and sexy зять (son-in-law) for their daughters. Or at least a boyfriend for their daughers. She also lost a tourist who each year spent several thousands of dollars/euros there, from now on I will spend them somewhere else. Your economy will suffer and you will starve ;-)
She lost an admirer who advertised her beauties back home. She's losing many of us everyday... it's just not all of us write about it.

I read how russian women bash foreign men in some forums on the net, men are ridiculed, criticized, even their names and private info are mentioned, they're called sex tourist or losers, I read gossips like "he brought a stupid gift" and so on. Good, we'll not come anymore. Close the borders, live with yourself.... and Dzhamshut and Kunzhut. Let's tell the truth, the majority of the girls on LL are not really interested in anything serious with a foreigner. Their profiles are just a lie. They have local choices, there's nothing wrong with russian men (marriage agencies spread myths that "russian men are drunks", "russian men die in a young age" and other nonsence). I walked on Arbat today, there were many happy couples. Foreign men are good only to pay vacations and dinners and to be played with when you are bored.

I'm in this russian dating thing for 6 years and met many girls. That doesnt mean Im a sex tourist, its just, if its not working with the first one you must find an alternative, russian girls also meet many foreigners but I don't call them "sluts"! Girls would write me "Приезжай, приежай!" (come to us, come to us) especialy in winter when they are depressed. And when I actually приезжай-ed, what? I was hurt, abused, manipulated, lied to, rejected, ignored. Don't cry "wolf, wolf", cause he may really arrive on your door. Delete your profiles on LL or write that you want just correspondence and friendship and no one will bother you (I don't mean "you" personally, I mean, the russian girls)

Exceptions exist, but that's what they are- excepions. Perhaps more matured ladies are seriously interested in marrying but I don't know, I'm not of that age, so they are not my target group. Young ones are spoiled, because they receive too much attention. There are good ones indeed, but they are rare.

If somebody ask me why I would send you to read the top paragraph of message 1 - the description of your attempts to reject one good woman because she wanted to marry and the attempt to come back to the same water with her, and then to try and find another good woman...

People make mistakes. I went to her city, asked for forgivness, she was too stubborn, so it's her that finally buried a several years' relationship. It was her decision. Otherwise, we would now be married and she would live with me like chinese queen. But that's was her vanity. It ended and i don't care anymore. But I wouldnt call her names, she was a wonderful person. Note, she WAS. But some devil got inside her. Anyway its gone.

But I can help you and save you time, if you take one advice from me for granted

I never asked for any advice. I just wanted to tell my story and to warn others. This whole "russian dating" thing was overidealized, there are many myths and misconceptions, someone had to finally put it on the table and to call things by their right names without any "political correctness" (in the past, whenever someone attacked russian women, I was furiously defending them, but its time to tell the truth). However I do agree that russian women are in many ways better than the western ones. But it's a time of globalisation, they are becoming the same.

Anyway, unfortunately I do not have enough time to go into details, but try to understand - you will have the same results in any country, including your own. Unless you will look at yourself with different eyes. Well, no sense to explain more, as you are not going to do it.

I did nothing wrong, I'm a great guy ;-) and what results? I'm definetly out of the international dating thing. I will never ever travel for someone. If someone needs me (I know that no one does), I will give her my adress, she can buy herself a flight ticket (you celebrate Intl Women's Day in Russia, March 8, don't you? Good, it's time to be emancipated and start paying for yourself).

I will live alone, and when I will need sex I will be "dancing with myself" like Billy Idol says in his song. It's simple, safe and cheap. Satisfaction guaranteed.

Or maybe i shall become a gay. Relations between men and women became so complicated these days, seems that only gays have fun

[Ambassador]

:scratch_one-s_head:poor guy. much resentment. and forced to agree with most of his articles.

[L.D.]

Inurface, you consider yourself to be saint? Don't you?
Your relationships with women failed because they were selfish and arrogant and you did nothing wrong to them, yeah?
Dude, sorry to dissapoint you but if you can't have any normal relationships probably the problem is in you. Maybe you just don't suppose some of your actions towards women to be wrong while they (women) do. (I rather doubt that it can be possible that ALL women you met were "selfish, arrogant and capricious") Till you won't realise it and change something in your behaviour you won't have any relations with women of any nationality.
Go to Thailand :biggrin:

[NewSarah]

now I wonder how old you are - 17? 21? so much bitterness, though you are still trying to smile and it is a very good sign. Lermontov was always describing such young people - all depressed and disappointed in life. Oscar Wild also did. As if they knew (these book heroes) what life was. I believe you will be laughing at this story and at yourself in 3 years or so. You can not make long-term conclusions and predictions about yourself - your life will mock at you, I hope in a good way.

[Gabber]

it'll be water under the bridge in a few months. No harm, no foul and lessons learned.

[saprosky]

And one more very important thing to understand for all romantic men - women are the same all over the world - it is a very obvious and a simple fact - we are from the same planet.


I dont agree with you. Russian women are not like the rest. They are nicest with the same character :tongue:

[saprosky]

Goodbye american women.....

Goodbye russian women ....

Who is the next ?? :biggrin:

[Inurface]

it'll be water under the bridge in a few months. No harm, no foul and lessons learned.

I believe you will be laughing at this story and at yourself in 3 years or so.


Yeah, I will laugh cause I will not be in Russia :biggrin: I'm happy cause soon I go home. I will never come back here again. No more troubles and efforts for nothing, no more lies and evil games. What a good riddance. Back home not everything is ideal, but it's good enough, I have a good life there, and I got used to loneliness.
Now I'll have some beer and snacks to celebrate it. It's just boring to wait until the departure.

Goodbye Russia, Dasha and Masha
Goodbye Yuliya, Alyona and Sasha
Goodbye Oxana, Larisa and Natasha
Pobeda moya, a ne vasha*

I will soon go home
Home, home where wild squirrels roam...
It's your loss
and I'm the boss
I will not eat Dzhamshut's** shaurma*** with garlic sauce!

Three times "ura" for me
Ura! Ura! Ura!
And you, my love, are the last dura****
You are good only for bed fiskulytura*****

Goodbye Ukraine nezalezhna derzhavo******
where many actually speak russian and not the ukrainskuyu movu*******
Donbass, Makeevka, Lisichansk and Antratsit
Sorry, I'm tired of all of it!
_________
Footnotes

* The victory is mine, not yours
** Dzhamshut - a tv comedy character, a stereotypical Central Asian emigrant to Moscow
*** fast food, sandwich-like wrap. It's sold near my hotel, the recipe is: you put 2 grams of chopped chicken, 3 day old cabbage salad which tastes like plastic and half of a small pickle in a flatbread that tastes like paper and you charge it 100 rubles
**** russian for stupid (feminine)
***** physical culture, work out (like, in a gym)
****** ukrainian for independent state
******* ukrainian language

[Andylad]

Yeah, I will laugh cause I will not be in Russia :biggrin: I'm happy cause soon I go home. I will never come back here again. No more troubles and efforts for nothing, no more lies and evil games. What a good riddance. Back home not everything is ideal, but it's good enough, I have a good life there, and I got used to loneliness.
Now I'll have some beer and snacks to celebrate it. It's just boring to wait until the departure.

Goodbye Russia, Dasha and Masha
Goodbye Yuliya, Alyona and Sasha
Goodbye Oxana, Larisa and Natasha
Pobeda moya, a ne vasha*

I will soon go home
Home, home where wild squirrels roam...
It's your loss
and I'm the boss
I will not eat Dzhamshut's** shaurma*** with garlic sauce!

Three times "ura" for me
Ura! Ura! Ura!
And you, my love, are the last dura****
You are good only for bed fiskulytura*****

Goodbye Ukraine nezalezhna derzhavo******
where many actually speak russian and not the ukrainskuyu movu*******
Donbass, Makeevka, Lisichansk and Antratsit
Sorry, I'm tired of all of it!
_________
Footnotes

* The victory is mine, not yours
** Dzhamshut - a tv comedy character, a stereotypical Central Asian emigrant to Moscow
*** fast food, sandwich-like wrap. It's sold near my hotel, the recipe is: you put 2 grams of chopped chicken, 3 day old cabbage salad which tastes like plastic and half of a small pickle in a flatbread that tastes like paper and you charge it 100 rubles
**** russian for stupid (feminine)
***** physical culture, work out (like, in a gym)
****** ukrainian for independent state
******* ukrainian language



I hardly think Russia's economy will suffer because you wont be spending a few thousand dollars there, Russia is one hell of a big country, there are probably millions of women living there, & even if you have dated 100 of them you can not judge all by a few. i have met a few Russian girls out there that didnt work out, but i never said ''that's it, i'll never date another Russian'' what i did do was stop searching, & it happened.

so, you spent a few $, you have probably seen a lot of Russia & learnt their language, probably had some good times (mostly), instead of travelling to meet someone just go on vacation, chances are you will be in a cafe one day & some gorgeous lady will hear you speak english (i'm presuming that is your native language) & she will come & speak to you, it's happened to me several times, & who knows you MIGHT just end up falling in love with each other, so go outside, give your head a good shake, stop feeling sorry for yourself & get on with living your life, bitterness will only bring you down.
Good Luck.

[Ambassador]

Yes. person wants attention but nothing to did not. He probably thought that coming to another country he will order the orchestra? and they fled, and hung around his neck? He arrived as a tourist. so to him it was related both to the tourist. nothing more. What did he expect? nothing specific, I have not heard. just a boy was not his time and in the wrong place.

good luck and good riddance

[sparkle]

Goodbye american women.....

Goodbye russian women ....

Who is the next ?? :biggrin:

For me...available english woman, NO WAY

[NewSarah]

I never asked for pity...

I never asked for any advice...

We always get what we don't want...
:Laie_43:

[NewSarah]

For me...available english woman, NO WAY

It is a diagnosis that tells so much more about you than you want to disclose...
But I understand that men say things like that because they are hurt and heart-broken. Wish you quick and painless recovery!
:girl_witch:

[sparkle]

We always get what we don't want...
:Laie_43:

Better to live alone, than someboody (anybody) unsuitable :thank_you:

[slkas]

We always get what we don't want...
:Laie_43:

Ahh yes, but sometimes we get what we deserved. Even if it was not asked for.

[saprosky]

We always get what we don't want...
:Laie_43:

Истинная любовь похожа на призрак ; Все о ней говорят, но мало кто ее видел.


Russian proverb:
True love is like a ghost All the talk about it, but few of its seen.

[yankee]

Our concept of love and the perfect relationship is very strange. When it comes to most things in life we are told to try, try and try again until we succeed; failure is not an option. In love we think we only have one chance (thank the Church for that; “married until death do us part”). If one fails at love give it another try. If you don’t try then you will never be successful.

[sparkle]

It is a diagnosis that tells so much more about you than you want to disclose...
But I understand that men say things like that because they are hurt and heart-broken. Wish you quick and painless recovery!
:girl_witch:

Hi Sarah, thanks for your concern, we have all been hurt at some time.
Heart broken, I am not, and pain, woha, I don't do pain, I am very happy and content with my life the way it is :D

[Ambassador]

What is it about love?

by Francisco Guzman

Love, such a wonderful thing, but it brings so many questions
What is it about love, that makes your heart skip a beat?
What is it about love, that makes the pain feel so sweet?
What is it about love, that makes you act so differently?
And what is it about love that makes you be a fool, intently?

Love, is such a complicated thing, it cannot be controlled
Now tell me…
What is it about love, which makes you feel so good inside?
What is it about love, that makes you keep coming back,
Even after you cried?

Love, a feeling that cannot be driven away
What is it about love, that makes you yearn for someone?
What is it about love, that makes you feel bad, when it is over and done?

Love is so addictive, makes you act crazy,
Makes you do things, you would never do
Love, it is such a bad habit
Something that could bring about painful memories

What is it about love, that makes a moment last forever?
What is it about love, that makes your heart become week
So vulnerable
What is it about love, that makes you fall so fast, so quickly
What is it about love, that makes you swallow your pride

Tell me, please, I want to know
Because I don’t know why I am acting this way
You got me feeling so different, so desperate for you

No matter how many changes I make, there you are
You linger in the back of my mind
What is it about love, that even after all the pain, you want more
What is it about love, that blinds you from what is really happening

What is it about love, that makes the darkness seem like light
What is it, that makes the wrong things look right?
Love has so much power over you, it can take over

What is it about love, that keeps you a prisoner
To the one that might not love you
It feels so good to be loved, but why?...

i think is a passion, lust . Love never gives pain. it gives freedom. be able to and desire to enjoy life. Love will never be created in memory of negative .

[Inurface]

What is it about love?

some say that love was invented by those who didn't want to pay ;-)

just few more days and im home. but what to do until then, i will go crazy in this solitary confinement. fortunatelly there were interesting events in the previous days, it was the Victory Day parade etc, I took a lot of great pics, but how to survive the following days. perhaps i can watch the 1st semi-final of the kitschy eurovision song contest tonight. oh no, what a punishment!

[yankee]

some say that love was invented by those who didn't want to pay ;-)

just few more days and im home. but what to do until then, i will go crazy in this solitary confinement. fortunatelly there were interesting events in the previous days, it was the Victory Day parade etc, I took a lot of great pics, but how to survive the following days. perhaps i can watch the 1st semi-final of the kitschy eurovision song contest tonight. oh no, what a punishment!

If you can not find anything to do in Moscow then there is something wrong with you.

[Ambassador]

some say that love was invented by those who didn't want to pay ;-)

you true

just few more days and im home. but what to do until then, i will go crazy in this solitary confinement. fortunatelly there were interesting events in the previous days, it was the Victory Day parade etc, I took a lot of great pics, but how to survive the following days. perhaps i can watch the 1st semi-final of the kitschy eurovision song contest tonight. oh no, what a punishment!

in town trips? You saw everything? you were in St. Sophia Cathedral? the Kiev-Pechersk Lavra? You were Mr. concerts? Kiev has a large and as interesting a great story. In Kiev, there are no museums, the philharmonic. and general cues solid desert. have nowhere to go. a solid Hark the Sahara desert.

[L.D.]

in town trips? You saw everything? you were in St. Sophia Cathedral? the Kiev-Pechersk Lavra? You were Mr. concerts? Kiev has a large and as interesting a great story. In Kiev, there are no museums, the philharmonic. and general cues solid desert. have nowhere to go. a solid Hark the Sahara desert.

i bet that St.Sophia Cathedral is really beautiful but guy is in Moscow!

[Ambassador]

i bet that St.Sophia Cathedral is really beautiful but guy is in Moscow!
Okay. Moscow large desert too. bare earth. and nothing. Even more .... there are more set up for foreigners. boy just confused ...

[Ambassador]

I just think about the upcoming trip to Kiev. so confused. but soon will be another trip. but I still have not collected a suitcase.

[saprosky]

In Moscow you can do many things.

Visit the city center and the Arbat district (the old and the new) walking or by metro.

You can find there many girls ready to help you when ask for an address or a place.


PS: If some dirty mind thinks other than people relationship, then visit the psychiatrist :crazy:

[statajack]

just few more days and im home. but what to do until then, i will go crazy in this solitary confinement.

You could always try and get layed, if it's really that tough in such a quiet and sparse city. Amazing really what a 20-second Google search can do!

*cough*

http://www.punterlink.co.uk/escort/escort_directory/eastern_europe_cities/moscow-escorts.htm

[Inurface]

In Moscow you can do many things.

Visit the city center and the Arbat district (the old and the new) walking or by metro.

You can find there many girls ready to help you when ask for an address or a place.

I have been to Moscow for hundred times during these several years of russian dating. I have also been to Piter, Voronezh, Rostov na Donu, Krasnodar, Kazan, Ekaterinburg, Novosibirsk and in the aforementioned Kiev, Odessa, Zaporozhye, Donetsk, Kharkov and Lugansk.... the list of cities goes on..
I've already visited all the important places in Moscow. Btw I was privileged to obtain a permit to watch the Victory Day Parade repetition on the Red Square (that was the only interesting thing to do these days). I have mentioned previously that I walked on Arbat these days, indeed there were many beautiful girls (walking hand in hand with their russian boyfriends). Not fun.

You could always try and get layed, if it's really that tough in such a quiet and sparse city. Amazing really what a 20-second Google search can do!

*cough*

http://www.punterlink.co.uk/escort/e...ow-escorts.htm

hehe thanx Statajack, but I'm too sexy for them, they should pay me to escort them ;-) Just joking. Yes I know about such agencies and "individualki" in Moscow. I have seen such russian language sites, but i dunno which ones are genuine and which ones are fake. Anyway, that's not my style (though ordering a prostitute is better and cheaper than wasting time, nerves and money on wrong women)

boy just confused ...
If you can not find anything to do in Moscow then there is something wrong with you.

no, nothing wrong with me and I'm not confused. I know exactly what I want now. I just want to go home. That's all. Russia has many nice places, that's true, but I'm not in a mood anymore. I don't want anymore sightseeing, I don't want to get laid, I don't want to date, I don't want nightlife... Just want to go home. Where's the FAST FORWARD>> button?!

[Ambassador]

no, nothing wrong with me and I'm not confused. I know exactly what I want now. I just want to go home. That's all. Russia has many nice places, that's true, but I'm not in a mood anymore. I don't want anymore sightseeing, I don't want to get laid, I don't want to date, I don't want nightlife... Just want to go home. Where's the FAST FORWARD>> button?!

disappointed? I understand you. but it is a trifle that would upset life. Life is too short to wake up with that regret. enjoy life. anyhow before his plane you're not going to leave the country.

When you are talking about what we have problems? response often heard. it is a trifle. enjoy life. who need our problems? and why do we need your failures? that would upset that our lives? you only need the happy women? and such women do not need you.

[NewSarah]

According to the most popular kids' TV show in Russia - "Paris is the capital of London..."

[statajack]

According to the most popular kids' TV show in Russia - "Paris is the capital of London..."

Off topic, but -

Much the same as English schools. I don't think they actually speak English anymore in many of them, so they get things a bit mixed up also. :smoke:

Also, something like seven out of ten school kids aged between 6 and 10 didn't know which vegetable that Oven Ready Chips came from! :D

[Ambassador]

I do not mind scoring such trifles. I enjoy life

[Inurface]

another offtopic: the 1st semi-final of the eurovision song contest began. watching it on tv is the only fun thing to kill this night (eh, what a "fun")
so far the songs were terrible.

btw russia is performing 7th tonight. i wish they win so they will be forced to organize the event once again after 2009 and their economy will suffer
just joking :biggrin:
at least something is happening. I got my beer and snacks prepared beforehand

[Nataliochek]

Inurface,
Seems you have done good job learning Russian language and our culture. At some point I even stated having doubts if you are a Russian speaker.
But why to blame the whole country or even two, when you once were given what you were looking for but did not know how to keep it.
People say that if you do something that does not work out, it means you need to change the way you are doing this. Why spend years and years with agencies if you are not happy with what you get there? Maybe that was not your way to meet your woman? But that does not mean all the girls here are so bad as you described them. Or you are more pissed off with the fact that you are so great, smart, good-looking, generous, intelligent, attentive, were not appreciated by our girls? That they did not make a line wanting to marry you?
I have some experience being in the marriage business and I saw quite a bit of couples trying to build relationships. I can only say that the most successful stories were when people met by accident or were introduced by friends.

[NewSarah]

My offtopic was not an offtopic at all - it was an afterthough after reading your expertise about Russia and Moscow.

[NewSarah]

But why to blame the whole country or even two...

Because it is very convenient and comforting to the ego.
:Laie_87B:

[saprosky]

According to the most popular kids' TV show in Russia - "Paris is the capital of London..."


Dont ask the americans, they will say "Paris is the capital of Texas..." :lol2:

[NewSarah]

Dont ask the americans, they will say "Paris is the capital of Texas..." :lol2:

I mostly deal with VERY educated Americans, but we all have to admit that the level of intellegence is going down. It is not bad - it is the time of Soldiers. And if it has come - it must be needed for something.

[statajack]

I mostly deal with VERY educated Americans, but we all have to admit that the level of intellegence is going down. It is not bad - it is the time of Soldiers. And if it has come - it must be needed for something.

You have an incredible nack of providing titles at random for ideas for music creation.

Star!

:moinmoin_01:

[Inurface]

Why spend years and years with agencies if you are not happy with what you get there? Maybe that was not your way to meet your woman?

No, I have never used agencies. When I mentioned them, I meant all the companies that are involved in this "russian dating" thing, be it agencies, online dating sites, whatever.I have not expressed myself precisely. They have overidealized the whole thing, because it's a big business and they want to sell their services to naive lonely foreigners.

But why to blame the whole country or even two

I have already explained, check the previous posts. You go to a country, as a foreign tourist you face various problems there. It would be a worthwhile sacrifice if you find someone to love, but what if you dont? They treat you badly, no one wants you, then why should you go there ever again? Very simple.

Or you are more pissed off with the fact that you are so great, smart, good-looking, generous, intelligent, attentive, were not appreciated by our girls?

i'm not saying i'm perfect. nobody's perfect... and I'm nobody ;-)
ok, just joking... but i'm not that bad. Really ;)
Look, it's them who said "ПРИЕЗЖАЙ, I WANT TO MEET YOU". I fullfilled my promise and I arrived. Of course, there's no guarantee that we will like each other in real life, but they should not play any games. If they like me- good, if they dislike me-good, the worst is when they dont know what they want. Scammers KNOW what they want, I understand them, but players don't. Those are the worst kind of people, a true sh*t in a human form.

you once were given what you were looking for but did not know how to keep it.

Already explained in the previous posts. C'mon people you are not even reading what I say. People make mistakes. I asked for forgivness, she was stubborn. Her loss. She flushed a 4 year serious relationship down the toilet, because of vanity, pride or how shall i call that? Anyway, I dont care anymore.

Offtopic: the russian singer at today's Eurovision ended his performance with "С Днем Победы!" (Happy Victory Day!). The event this year takes place in Germany

Offtopic II: I want to go to the nearby shop run by Ravshan and Dzhamshut to buy cigarettes. I have to bring with myself: a passport, a migration card, a registration, the hotel guest card etc.. etc... Otherwise, I can be stoped by militsiya at 2 o'clock at night and taken to a station, like it has happened to me in the past. My knowledge of russian and my physical appearance (I fit among russians) has often helped me to avoid such situations, but who knows what can happen and who knows what other foreigners are experiencing.

[Inurface]

Why spend years and years with agencies if you are not happy with what you get there? Maybe that was not your way to meet your woman?

No, I have never used agencies. When I mentioned them, I meant all the companies that are involved in this "russian dating" thing, be it agencies, online dating sites, whatever.I have not expressed myself precisely. They have overidealized the whole thing, because it's a big business and they want to sell their services to naive lonely foreigners.

But why to blame the whole country or even two

I have already explained, check the previous posts. You go to a country, as a foreign tourist you face various problems there. It would be a worthwhile sacrifice if you find someone to love, but what if you dont? They treat you badly, no one wants you, then why should you go there ever again? Very simple.

Or you are more pissed off with the fact that you are so great, smart, good-looking, generous, intelligent, attentive, were not appreciated by our girls?

i'm not saying i'm perfect. nobody's perfect... and I'm nobody ;-)
ok, just joking... but i'm not that bad. Really ;)
Look, it's them who said "ПРИЕЗЖАЙ, I WANT TO MEET YOU". I fullfilled my promise and I arrived. Of course, there's no guarantee that we will like each other in real life, but they should not play any games. If they like me- good, if they dislike me-good, the worst is when they dont know what they want. Scammers KNOW what they want, I understand them, but players don't. Those are the worst kind of people, a true sh*t in a human form.

you once were given what you were looking for but did not know how to keep it.

Already explained in the previous posts. C'mon people you are not even reading what I say. People make mistakes. I asked for forgivness, she was stubborn. Her loss. She flushed a 4 year serious relationship down the toilet, because of vanity, pride or how shall i call that? Anyway, I dont care anymore.

Offtopic: the russian singer at today's Eurovision ended his performance with "С Днем Победы!" (Happy Victory Day!). The event this year takes place in Germany

Offtopic II: I want to go to the nearby shop run by Ravshan and Dzhamshut to buy cigarettes. I have to bring with myself: a passport, a migration card, a registration, the hotel guest card etc.. etc... Otherwise, I can be stoped by militsiya at 2 o'clock at night and taken to a station, like it has happened to me in the past. My knowledge of russian and my physical appearance (I fit among russians) has often helped me to avoid such situations, but who knows what can happen and who knows what other foreigners are experiencing.

[statajack]

Offtopic II: I want to go to the nearby shop run by Ravshan and Dzhamshut to buy cigarettes. I have to bring with myself: a passport, a migration card, a registration, the hotel guest card etc.. etc... Otherwise, I can be stoped by militsiya at 2 o'clock at night and taken to a station, like it has happened to me in the past. My knowledge of russian and my physical appearance (I fit among russians) has often helped me to avoid such situations, but who knows what can happen and who knows what other foreigners are experiencing.

I am not surprised about this actually. Moscow in particular, must be very twitchy at present about suicide bombers and terrorists. So I imagine they are at random checking papers alot more now than they were say five years ago.

[Inurface]

btw the cleaners entered my hotel room while i was sleeping in the morning, though i hanged the red "do not disturb" sign on the door. i guess that was also part of the war on terror.

[Ambassador]

Inurface - believe me. Such accusations can be put forward against foreign men. Very much the same game on the Internet and without any facilities and sites. this is the internet. and each does so says his conscience.

Natalichek - change? we must first know what to change in order to achieve happiness. Each person is unique and should just know clearly that he is seeking. for each person has his own half. and show why it's not in your inner world? lie still come out. and be a good listener before you plan to arrive either.

we just have not learned to listen

[statajack]

btw the cleaners entered my hotel room while i was sleeping in the morning, though i hanged the red "do not disturb" sign on the door. i guess that was also part of the war on terror.

I've had that happen to me before in hotels in England. It's just cleaners doing their job.

I guess they left once they saw you were still in bed.

[NewSarah]

btw the cleaners entered my hotel room while i was sleeping in the morning, though i hanged the red "do not disturb" sign on the door. i guess that was also part of the war on terror.

Right - this is our way to get to you and to give you a royal pain in the neck after you said good-bye to our Mashas and Dashas... :WhiteVoid_1:

[Nataliochek]

I remember the good old LL days and the old forum, where western men complained that western women became impossible to deal with, that they became so capritious, selfish, arrogant, while the FSU women were praised for being feminine, charming, marriage and family-oriented, "they like flowers and kids", "they know how to cook" and so on... so many men looked for the "lost ideal" in the East, where "true values" still exist.

While indeed there are nice women in the FSU (I know from my experience), the bad news is that the most of the girls there are actually capritious, selfish and arrogant the same way as their western counterparts. I was a victim of that idealized picture of the FSU woman. The reality is that, most of the FSU girls on the dating sites do not need anyone, they are not romantic at all, they are also arroganbt, selfish, capritious, iresponsible, they look very good, so they have enough local choices, they don't appreciate anything, they only play with foreign men or use them. Ask them to tell you honestly why did they joined LL, in most cases it's just for curiousity or fun. Their profiles read "marriage, long relationship", it's a pure lie. They dont want anything serious. I tried to date many of them, they don't give a damn that you travelled for miles to see them (if someone comes to my country to see me, I would be so flattered, I would feed him or her to death, show him around, make him or her feel good), they dont care about the stress, expenses and paperwork you weng through, they dont appreciate that you try to treat them like a gentleman, they don't appreciate tenderness and romance, the dinners or gifts, they dont appreciate anything. Once you are gone, they'll replace you with another clown to entertain them. And I noticed a trait of their mentality, they are very vindictive, they are allowed to hurt you and abuse you in every possible way, but if you make just a tiny mistake, they'll destroy you. There's no such thing as compromise, forgivness.


We are not capricious – we are unpredictable so you are not bored with us.

We are not selfish – we have self-respect.

We are not arrogant – we know that we deserve more than the very first foreign man who looked at us.

And yes, we are feminine and we stay feminine next to a generous, smart, attentive, kind, responsible, educated man. A real man but not a male person who believes he is better only because his body differs from ours.

Yes, we are charming and share our charm only with those who deserve it. And only we but not anyone else are to decide who deserve it.

Yes, we are marriage and family-oriented and want to have family with a real man who realizes that a happy family takes two people willing to contribute to this family.

Yes, we like flowers and kids – and unfortunately flowers and kids cost money, so be ready to spend couple bucks.

Yes, we know how to cook and many of us like cooking for that special man and kids but not when we are turn into a cook and a servant whose only role in the family is to cook, clean, wash, bring beer to you and your friends when you are watching another football game, and have sex with you every time when you want it and only when you want it.

Yes, we care about the stress, expenses and paperwork you go through to come to us but we do not agree that that stress, expenses and paperwork give you right to force us to make decision and change our life the way you want it.

Yes, we don’t appreciate that you “TRY to treat us like a gentleman”. We like when you are natural and sincere and not play what you are not in your everyday life. We are very sensitive to lie.

We can turn into the meanest creatures to get rid of a man who believes he is better only because his body differs from ours.

And yes, we are capricious, selfish, and arrogant, but only when we want to scare away an annoying foreign man who believes that he makes us happy only by talking to us and taking us from our country with all its problems.

[Voobrazheniye]

We are not capricious – we are unpredictable so you are not bored with us.

We are not selfish – we have self-respect.

We are not arrogant – we know that we deserve more than the very first foreign man who looked at us.

And yes, we are feminine and we stay feminine next to a generous, smart, attentive, kind, responsible, educated man. A real man but not a male person who believes he is better only because his body differs from ours.

Yes, we are charming and share our charm only with those who deserve it. And only we but not anyone else are to decide who deserve it.

Yes, we are marriage and family-oriented and want to have family with a real man who realizes that a happy family takes two people willing to contribute to this family.

Yes, we like flowers and kids – and unfortunately flowers and kids cost money, so be ready to spend couple bucks.

Yes, we know how to cook and many of us like cooking for that special man and kids but not when we are turn into a cook and a servant whose only role in the family is to cook, clean, wash, bring beer to you and your friends when you are watching another football game, and have sex with you every time when you want it and only when you want it.

Yes, we care about the stress, expenses and paperwork you go through to come to us but we do not agree that that stress, expenses and paperwork give you right to force us to make decision and change our life the way you want it.

Yes, we don’t appreciate that you “TRY to treat us like a gentleman”. We like when you are natural and sincere and not play what you are not in your everyday life. We are very sensitive to lie.

We can turn into the meanest creatures to get rid of a man who believes he is better only because his body differs from ours.

And yes, we are capricious, selfish, and arrogant, but only when we want to scare away an annoying foreign man who believes that he makes us happy only by talking to us and taking us from our country with all its problems.

Absolutely GREAT post. One of the best I've read here! :Laie_60B:

[fanuay]

so sad story... man lost love because running for other hot chics and when he decided come back-she didn`t believe him already... thinking better for guy find woman next door... pay just for cinema, coffee and that`s all lol

[NewSarah]

so sad story... man lost love because running for other hot chics and when he decided come back-she didn`t believe him already... thinking better for guy find woman next door... pay just for cinema, coffee and that`s all lol

Everybody - men and women - should clearly understand their potential and their limits. Some of us are naturally hormone-driven, some are naturally spirit-driven. Let's not deceive ourselves telling that we are a mix: it is either this or that. If we understand where we belong to, it is the key to control all possible problems in relationships.
:connie_he-moose:

[Inurface]

We are not capricious – we are unpredictable so you are not bored with us.

We are not selfish – we have self-respect.

We are not arrogant – we know that we deserve more than the very first foreign man who looked at us.

And yes, we are feminine and we stay feminine next to a generous, smart, attentive, kind, responsible, educated man. A real man but not a male person who believes he is better only because his body differs from ours.

Yes, we are charming and share our charm only with those who deserve it. And only we but not anyone else are to decide who deserve it.

Yes, we are marriage and family-oriented and want to have family with a real man who realizes that a happy family takes two people willing to contribute to this family.

Yes, we like flowers and kids – and unfortunately flowers and kids cost money, so be ready to spend couple bucks.

Yes, we know how to cook and many of us like cooking for that special man and kids but not when we are turn into a cook and a servant whose only role in the family is to cook, clean, wash, bring beer to you and your friends when you are watching another football game, and have sex with you every time when you want it and only when you want it.

Yes, we care about the stress, expenses and paperwork you go through to come to us but we do not agree that that stress, expenses and paperwork give you right to force us to make decision and change our life the way you want it.

Yes, we don’t appreciate that you “TRY to treat us like a gentleman”. We like when you are natural and sincere and not play what you are not in your everyday life. We are very sensitive to lie.

We can turn into the meanest creatures to get rid of a man who believes he is better only because his body differs from ours.

And yes, we are capricious, selfish, and arrogant, but only when we want to scare away an annoying foreign man who believes that he makes us happy only by talking to us and taking us from our country with all its problems.

you all judge me, but you don't know me personally and you dont know my story in details. i did nothing wrong to any of the ladies i met. i treated them well, i did everything to make them feel good (as good as i could of course, i dont have a yacht to take them on a Caribbean cruise, but i did what i could). in return, i was hurt, played with like a toy, abused, humiliated and rejected in the most cynical ways. Those girls were exactly the opposite of what you described above. They were players, arrogant, selfish, they dont give a damn about family or cooking or kids or anything at all and some of them openly admitted that to me in the end. For them this is only a game, in which they dont lose anything. They are on their own terrain, men just come, get abused and afterwards they are thrown like used socks. But i cant go into details, cause i wouldnt like to expose someones private details. Otherwise I would have a lot of nasty stories to tell.

I admikt that I only hurt one person, the girl whom i had a long relationship with. but people make mistakes and i asked for forgivness. it didnt work. already explained.

I didnt deserve this. But of course, its always easier to bash the victim than to look in the mirror and to admit one own's mistakes. There are beautiful and good hearted women in the FSU, but there are also some very very mean ones. I have noticed that self-criticism is a rare among the FSU women, so it's pointless to explain further, you will always defend your side of the story and you'll never ever try to walk in my shoes, to see things from my perspective.

This is my last night in Russia. I feel very sad. Not because of women. I already said that I have travelled to Russia also because I loved the country and its culture, I learned the language by myself, I didnt take language courses nor a repetitor. But who cares.

I had a dinner with a friend today, he moved to live in Moscow many years ago for business purposes. He's a succesful businesman, married to russian woman, has kids. He married a divorced woman, who already had 1 kid. Wealthy and succesful as he is, I bet he had lots of supermodels jumping on him, but no, he didnt take them. I guess he wanted a serious family-oriented woman and I guess, he had troubles with golddiggers or scammers or players. He speaks russian like he's born here and though he's a strong russophile, he wondered why i'm travelling to russia so much. He said why do you do this, dont you see these are bad times, not romantic at all, Dostoyevski or Vistotskiy are not waiting for you here, stop idealizing, everyone cares only for him/herself like everywhere else in this modern world. Unfortunately he's right. Empathy is dead.

[Ambassador]

but where were your eyes when you talked to the girls on the internet? you looked to the camera? None. I do not blame you. because I know. these girls are. and a great deal. just need to be very careful. this is very pleased that your Russian language skills you have achieved independently. but you can not blame all just because you got on the playful girls. very much the same way and playful boys. I personally do not defend anybody and do not intend to do so. Yes. this is our bitter truth. so we have a just as in any other countries

[Nataliochek]

Inurface,
I apologize if I offended you. You are right I do not know your story and do not have a right to judge you and I did not. I only tried you to point out at our women’s feelings.

Most women that I know here and in real life fit to what I have described about.

Have you ever tried to do some search and read about women’s stories? How many of them are cheated by foreign men? How many were lied about men’s work, family, health and many other things? How many of them had to go through abuse being far from home, family and friends and having no support in a foreign country?

Do you know how it hurts us to feel that majority foreign men look at us as beautiful toys without feelings, without emotions, without own mind and desires? That most of you come here looking for a housewife ready to do whatever you want only because you take us from our countries? That it is very offensively when men give us presents not because they want to make us happy but because want to get us as a final prize; that they count how much they spend on gifts, flowers and going out with us and believe that we must fall in love with them immediately. That it is very offensively when foreign men come here and point out to all problems we have showing zero respect to our culture and people living here.

Do you think that all those stories attract decent women to foreign men?
We women here have our own fairy tales about ideal foreign men. And it hurts us to find out that many of you are not even close to that. Not close but it does not mean that you are bad or do not deserve happiness.

You did not like even an idea of being compared with men I described above. So why do you think we should enjoy your post where you describe all the women here the way you did?

You do not want any suggestion and want your story to be a lesson for other guys. Oh well. It is the perfect lesson.

Have you ever thought how we name all those marriage agencies, matchmaking sites, etc? I used to hear about them as marriage business. You know it is strange for me to look for romantic feelings and sincere emotions in business. Any business is about money and profit and marriage business is not an exception. Those who take risk win or lose like in any other business. And your story just proves this to me one more time.

I wish we have met when you were in my city. I would have introduced you to nice women. I cannot guarantee you they are the women you are looking for but I can guarantee they all are waiting for a decent man to create family. And not necessary a foreigner.

I wish you safe trip home and good luck in your search for love.

[Inurface]

Inurface,
I apologize if I offended you. You are right I do not know your story and do not have a right to judge you and I did not. I only tried you to point out at our women’s feelings.

Most women that I know here and in real life fit to what I have described about.

Have you ever tried to do some search and read about women’s stories? How many of them are cheated by foreign men? How many were lied about men’s work, family, health and many other things? How many of them had to go through abuse being far from home, family and friends and having no support in a foreign country?

Do you know how it hurts us to feel that majority foreign men look at us as beautiful toys without feelings, without emotions, without own mind and desires? That most of you come here looking for a housewife ready to do whatever you want only because you take us from our countries? That it is very offensively when men give us presents not because they want to make us happy but because want to get us as a final prize; that they count how much they spend on gifts, flowers and going out with us and believe that we must fall in love with them immediately. That it is very offensively when foreign men come here and point out to all problems we have showing zero respect to our culture and people living here.

Do you think that all those stories attract decent women to foreign men?
We women here have our own fairy tales about ideal foreign men. And it hurts us to find out that many of you are not even close to that. Not close but it does not mean that you are bad or do not deserve happiness.

You did not like even an idea of being compared with men I described above. So why do you think we should enjoy your post where you describe all the women here the way you did?

You do not want any suggestion and want your story to be a lesson for other guys. Oh well. It is the perfect lesson.

Have you ever thought how we name all those marriage agencies, matchmaking sites, etc? I used to hear about them as marriage business. You know it is strange for me to look for romantic feelings and sincere emotions in business. Any business is about money and profit and marriage business is not an exception. Those who take risk win or lose like in any other business. And your story just proves this to me one more time.



I know what you are talking about and it's really discusting what some foreign men do! But I'm not one of them and I didn't deserve what I got. This topic was written from my point of view. Of course, all the ladies are free to share their own bad experiences they had with foreign men in this forum and they have already done that not once. I have already read lots of terrible stories. Those ladies have my understanding and support. But try to understand now that I have my own problems and I also want to share them and to get some compassion and understanding instead of hatred and cynicism

[Inurface]

I wish you safe trip home
thanks

good luck in your search for love.
im not looking anymore. im tired of it, but thank you very much for the nice words. I appreciate them

[Sveta's Hero]

I'm not going to judge you, or blast you, but it seems like you went after the same type of girls over and over.

It just seems strange that every girl you met was alike. Good girls are not the exception, and it just seems that you were attracted to a certain type, which turned out to be the wrong type.

There are girls in this forum who are very nice people. Just look around you.

[Gabber]

d. Unfortunately he's right. Empathy is dead.

no it's not and I am will not judge you at all nor do I wish to. I do empathize with your plight but...just move on. Those that hang their head find money on the sidewalk but miss what is clearly in front of them. If it's any consolation, I enjoyed your posts. I'm not saying I am in total agreement but hell...if I were then we'd be twins and you don't want that.

[sparkle]

so sad story... man lost love because running for other hot chics and when he decided come back-she didn`t believe him already... thinking better for guy find woman next door... pay just for cinema, coffee and that`s all lol

This is very similar to what I have experienced from woman, woman thinks she has found better, does not talk (chat) to me for a few months, the so called better, moves on, woman comes back to me, she tells me, she has been busy, do some woman, really think, men are that stupid???

A true expression, one does not know, what one has got, till it is gone.

We all live and learn, we do not make mistakes, we learn, from experience

[Ambassador]

I know what you are talking about and it's really discusting what some foreign men do! But I'm not one of them and I didn't deserve what I got. This topic was written from my point of view. Of course, all the ladies are free to share their own bad experiences they had with foreign men in this forum and they have already done that not once. I have already read lots of terrible stories. Those ladies have my understanding and support. But try to understand now that I have my own problems and I also want to share them and to get some compassion and understanding instead of hatred and cynicism

and who deserves it?

Many women do not deserve the same. but crying into my pillow. passes time and time again are searching in hopes of finding her. native. we often make mistakes when we go in the wake of instinct and do not notice that happiness could be next. just because he is a friend. but really one can simply keep quiet about his feelings. only because it de drew enough attention.

[Inurface]

btw the cleaners entered my hotel room while i was sleeping in the morning, though i hanged the red "do not disturb" sign on the door. i guess that was also part of the war on terror.

I've had that happen to me before in hotels in England. It's just cleaners doing their job.

I guess they left once they saw you were still in bed.

and you consider this normal? i've never been to the uk, but i guessed that in every decent hotel people can get fired for a such thing. it happened to me not once both in russia and ukraine. In hotel Kharkov in the very center of the city, a cleaner entered my room at 8 o'clock in the morning and woke me up like i'm in prison or in the army or something. I went to the reception to protest and they presented me a bottle of champagne because it was soon my birthday?! It's a complete absurd, monthy python.

c'mon statajack, i think you are a reasonable man. and i can list even worse examples of how tourists are mistreated here and what absurd situations they go through. but i never cared, i never made a big deal out of it in the past cause i knew that russia is an unusual place, many unusual things can happen to a foreigner, i really liked the country, i was in love with a russian girl etc.. but now i'm really tired of it!

the tourist in the fsu is treated like a sheep. he's good only to be milked and to get wool from

I am not surprised about this actually. Moscow in particular, must be very twitchy at present about suicide bombers and terrorists. So I imagine they are at random checking papers alot more now than they were say five years ago

I understand this. Indeed terrorism and illegal economic migration is a big problem in Moscow.
But let me tell you. In 2009 I was staying in an appartment in rostov, a policeman in civilian clothes came to the door to look for the owner. We talked, he noticed that Im a foreigner and asked for my documents. Everything went wrong. My papers were in my gf's bag cause she needed to register me at the FMS. We have never considered the possibility that a policeman may come to the door! He started to shout at me, he ordered me to come with him, he called the station shouting that he caught an illegal emigrant. I was worried of course but there was nothing i could do. I tried to call my gf, but then I didnt have a russian sim card, my foreign number didnt work. Then he took me to some other people's appartment (?!). he wanted to finish other things on the way. Imagine, i was sitting in someone's home, around me were some babushkas whom i didnt know and he was collecting some information from them and writing thjem down. Then my gf and the owner arrived. They offered him a bribe, he said that he would gladly take it, but its too late, he already reported me to the station. Then he took me to the station by marshrutka (no police car was available), I spent few hours there. As we sat and talked the policeman saw that im ok, we even began to chat in a friendly way. Then my gf's family pulled some strings and i was free. It was a crazy and interesting experience in a way, but hey, why should I go to a such country ever again?

While they wasted hours with me (probably expecting a bribe), THE REAL TERRORISTS ARE DOING THEIR JOB WITH NO PROBLEMS, Moscow and other bigger cities become more and more filled with illegal immigrants from Caucasus or Central Asia and so on and so on.

Domodedovo, the biggest airport in the capitol of Russia, the biggest country on earth, was attacked by suicide bomber, while they waste time with some completely harmless foreigners. What an irony!

p.S, minutes ago i went to the nearby supermarket to get breakfast. stressed as i am these days, i forgot to take documents with me. imagine i was stopped a(checks are frequent around this hotel, there are many Dzhamshut places around). i would surely miss my today's flight!

[Ambassador]

the tourist in the fsu is treated like a sheep. he's good only to be milked and to get wool from

What irony. So it is with us. At sites dating men pay a membership fee and then treated women like horses, look even in the teeth. so where is the exit? and one way out. Stay with us. and thou shalt be a time to laugh with her situation. though .... I know. Ridiculous is not enough ... we have a lot of really decent people. just need to settle down and live. should not live in the past. it only gives weight.

[Inurface]

im at the airport. im not technicaly in russia, cause i already crossed the passport control. i'm in the smoking room,

there are many preetty russian girls around.. with their russian boyfriends, of course.

before i crossed the line dividing russia from the "no man's land", i turned around and it broke my heart. i feel devastated

[statajack]

Inurface -

Have a good trip home. Kick back and relax.

From all that you have written in here, I can only summize the following.

Either -

1) You are incredibly unlucky. The police, the hotel cleaners, female suitors etc. No disrespect, but not somebody to go fishing with in a thunderstorm.

or;

2) Something about you arouses enough suspicion in Russian police to stop you and ask for papers. I spent four months in St Petersburg, and didn't get stopped and asked for papers once.

or both.

Bon Voyage!

[NewSarah]

...there are many preetty russian girls around.. with their russian boyfriends, of course...

...with their PRETTY russian boyfriends, I would assume...

[Inurface]

Vienna airport. 4 hours until the connecting flight, boredom.

Something about you arouses enough suspicion in Russian police to stop you and ask for papers. I spent four months in St Petersburg, and didn't get stopped and asked for papers once.

nothing arouses suspicion. i already mentioned that i easily fit among russians. usualy emigrants from caucasus and central asian are checked the most.But you csan never be sure in a country where freedom of movement is limited. After a policeman accidentaly came to my door (!) and took me to the station, then dont be suprised that i became so cautious.But it doesnt matter, Im not in russia anymore. Im in the free world now (but here there are different problems, like lonely guys who want to go to the unfree world to find love. its a crazy world)

tho its the 2nd biggest city in russia, Piter is far more relaxed than Moscow. Moscow is like a beehive, a FSU in small, thus the checks are more frequent. i've also never been checked in piter

...with their PRETTY russian boyfriends, I would assume...

sure. as i said, they have local choices (if you are a good looking girl in moscow, you'll surely find someone, I mean they will find you actually). they dont need foreigners for something serious like they claim in their profiles. its a lie. the foreigner is good only to be (ab)used for vacations, dinners or simply for fun.There are exceptions but they are rare. Usualy matured ladies seek serious relations. We already discussed this.

Im not only a member of LL, but also on many russian language dating sites. Many girls actually say in their profiles "no foreigners, no caucasians, only moscow" or something like that (often there's a LOONG list of rules, limits and demands, requirements). The guy must be goodlooking, wealthy, to have a good car, to bring flowers and gifts, to pay nice vacations, to bring bird's milk and other reasonable demands. Shortly, they dont need anyone. Even many russian boys become frustrated!

[Inurface]

1) You are incredibly unlucky. The police, the hotel cleaners, female suitors etc. No disrespect, but not somebody to go fishing with in a thunderstorm.

yeah, i guess. no matter how irrational it sounds, thats the only rattional explanation

[Inurface]

btw when i was purchasing the flight ticket in my city i asked the guy to give me a return on may 13. he joked oh no its FRIDAY the 13th! Bad Luck! and he said, i better put you on a flight on 12th. He made the ticket. Good.

But... while its true that the departure is on 12th, my arrival in my city will be after midnight, in the early hours of FRIDAY THE 13TH! There's no escape

This is just one of the many bizarre events that happen to me

[saprosky]

Vienna airport. 4 hours until the connecting flight, boredom.

nothing arouses suspicion. i already mentioned that i easily fit among russians. usualy emigrants from caucasus and central asian are checked the most.But you csan never be sure in a country where freedom of movement is limited. After a policeman accidentaly came to my door (!) and took me to the station, then dont be suprised that i became so cautious.But it doesnt matter, Im not in russia anymore. Im in the free world now (but here there are different problems, like lonely guys who want to go to the unfree world to find love. its a crazy world)

tho its the 2nd biggest city in russia, Piter is far more relaxed than Moscow. Moscow is like a beehive, a FSU in small, thus the checks are more frequent. i've also never been checked in piter

sure. as i said, they have local choices (if you are a good looking girl in moscow, you'll surely find someone, I mean they will find you actually). they dont need foreigners for something serious like they claim in their profiles. its a lie. the foreigner is good only to be (ab)used for vacations, dinners or simply for fun.There are exceptions but they are rare. Usualy matured ladies seek serious relations. We already discussed this.

Im not only a member of LL, but also on many russian language dating sites. Many girls actually say in their profiles "no foreigners, no caucasians, only moscow" or something like that (often there's a LOONG list of rules, limits and demands, requirements). The guy must be goodlooking, wealthy, to have a good car, to bring flowers and gifts, to pay nice vacations, to bring bird's milk and other reasonable demands. Shortly, they dont need anyone. Even many russian boys become frustrated!


You are right. Russian women, not only from dating sites, dont want to move to another country.

A friend of me is married recently with a russian and she simply agree. She have been studying and living in USA and other countries, she has an EU degree and speaks english perfectly, so she can go everywhere, but now she want stay in Russia, close to her family and dont want to relocate. And she is not the only one. I know more. And I also noticed the same in the dating sites. Many women just want to find friends, maybe meet you for holidays but no more. Just friendship.

[Gabber]

You are right. Russian women, not only from dating sites, dont want to move to another country.

A friend of me is married recently with a russian and she simply agree. She have been studying and living in USA and other countries, she has an EU degree and speaks english perfectly, so she can go everywhere, but now she want stay in Russia, close to her family and dont want to relocate. And she is not the only one. I know more. And I also noticed the same in the dating sites. Many women just want to find friends, maybe meet you for holidays but no more. Just friendship.

and the plot thickens...

don't blame them, not many people care to leave their families behind...I wouldn't.

[yankee]

What we need are decent catalogues with full pictures (with nothing hiding), measurements, domestic skills, erotic skills and price.

[saprosky]

What we need are decent catalogues with full pictures (with nothing hiding), measurements, domestic skills, erotic skills and price.

3D pics please :crazy:

[jimsan]

I too have travelled in Russia and Ukraine and never had any problems.
Once, near to Red Square, a guy stopped me and showed me his ID and asked for my documents.
I had a photocopy of my passport in my back pocket and when I showed him this he checked it then smiled and wished me to have a nice day.
Maybe I've been lucky but in Moscow, St. Petes and Rostov I had good experiences with people and everyone I met were warm and friendly.
In St. Petes I met with a guy who had served in the Russian navy during the war, on a torpedo boat.
He was now a lecturer of economics at the University there and this guy was incredible and I will never forget him.
I also stayed at one of the hotels mentioned in this thread, hotel Kharkov, and the staff there were great, friendly and helpful.
I also had a "Do not disturb" sign on my door and no one bothered me.
The people I've met in Ukraine are the same as the ones in Russia, friendly and helpful.
Most of us know this international dating is a hit or miss kinda thing.
There are good and bad people in every country in the world.
I don't think it's true that all women in FSU do not want to leave their families.
The simple truth is that some will and some won't.
It all depends on the circumstances.
If a woman believes she will have a good man and a good life then many will certainly consider it, especially if they know they can have the ability to return and visit their families from time to time and to keep in touch with them.
But of course many will not be interested.
I personally know some good women who would have no problems leaving Ukraine if they found the right man.
The right ones are out there but sometimes it's not so easy to find them.
I've had my disappointments and I've been scammed, deceived, used, etc etc.
But, all in all, along the way I've had some fantastic experiences, met great people and have wonderful memories.
Will I ever give up ?
Well, in two weeks I'm off once again to Ukraine.
Does that answer the question ?
:biggrin::biggrin:

[jimsan]

And in three days I'm off to Benidorm !!

:dance3::dance3::dance3:

Para mi, muchas chicas por favor !!

:biggrin::biggrin::biggrin:

[Inurface]

Finally at home on Friday the 13th.

Goodbye Russia forever... it breaks my heart, but it's not my fault.

The greatest irony is that one of the persons who mistreated me in Russia is now reading this topic and gloating at my misfortune. Where will your soul go, I'm even afraid to imagine...

But I 'll not expose her, I'm still a gentleman. In the beginning of our communication more than a year ago, she claimed that she wanted to find someone for something serious. In the end, after she hurt me and played me, she admitted that she is a "selfish b*tch" (I never called her names, those are her own words). Foreign men, be aware of this person and other such persons. Not everything that shines is gold, not everything that looks like love is really love. Mind my words and read between the lines, don't let her hurt you too.

I will say also to all the rest who mistreated me there: I may not be some religious conservative or a saint (oh, not at all!) but I strongly believe that there's a justice in this Universe. Before I left Moscow, I visited the famous Christ the Saviour church. I'm sure without doubt that sooner or later punishment will fit the crime. They will taste their own medicine.

And for those that helped me in Russia, and treated me well, for all those ordinary good people that i have met in platzkarts and elsewhere. I wish you all the best, let you always be saved from evil and I will never forget your hearts of gold!

This is my last post in this forum.

[NewSarah]

Inurance, in spite of all your "misfortune" and pain - you are quite an easy kid with a good sense of humor. You will be very ok - just trust me. I put the word misfortune in quotation marks, because what seems a misfortune for you now can turn into big fortune in the nearest future. Let's summarize your trip - one milestone is over. It is time to start a new one. The party is over, let's find another party...
Etc.

[Gabber]

so you came here to tell your story and leave? will you call us in the morning?

[jimsan]

I am one who can understand any guy who has been hurt or deceived or used but a few bad women do not make a nation.
I'm not going to judge who is right or wrong here.
Maybe the guy was a fool and got what he asked for or maybe he really did meet some bad people.
But why say goodbye to Russia ?
It is a country with some problems that may be hard for Westerners to understand or accept but I love this country and for me it's a land full of wonder and beautiful things and even if I met a dozen bad women there it would not stop me from returning and I would still sing it's praises.
But I can understand someone being sad and bitter if they have been hurt.

[Voobrazheniye]

This is my last post in this forum.

Is that a promise?

No... wait... what am I saying? The entertainment value alone has been worth the woeful self-pity, blind self-deception and terrible writing.

Now I'll have to go back to looking at homeless alcoholics to remind myself how great my own life is.

[Ambassador]

good doctor this time. guy hurt and he needed time to calm down. I think it should be left alone and not the reproach of self-pity. Each of us took such situations and should understand that at one moment it is impossible to change.

[Inurface]

I said I wont be writing ever again, but this is an exception just for those forum members who have shown me compassion in this topic. I received some private messages too. I really appreciate that, I wish you all the best. I need to explain that I said I won't be writing again not because I'm against you. It's just pointless. 6 years of "russian dating" for nothing. I was 29 then, and I'm 35 now. I visited the FSU hundreds of times, learned the language and the culture, went to many places, I gave all that I could, what more should I give? The dream is over. And let me again mention, some "ladies" (ladies?!) who mistreat foreigners, they come to this forum to shamelessy gloat at those men's bad times for fun, but I can't say more than that. Foreign men, beware of them, please. Open your eyes.

Although I'm not a saint, I'm still a believer. As I said, before I left Moscow, I visited the Christ the Saviour church.
I made a prayer
Let all those who hurt, played and lied be punished
Let they not see a bright day
Let their eyes go dry
Let they spend all the money they scammed in a pharmacy
Let their homes appear on CNN (when they show reports of war or natural disasters)
Let people dance kazachok on their graves from happiness
(my country is known for colorful curses and they always work, they bite like a weasel and they never let go)

I made a cross with three fingers three times (I'm an orthodox christian) for the Father the Son and the Holy Spirit and Virgin Mary the Presvetlaya Bogoroditsa, let all this will be done.
Amen! +

And you Voobrazheniye, thank you very much for the nice words (click here (http://www.gogabber.com/showpost.php?p=193803&postcount=95)). When you will hit hard times, I will also gladly gloat at it, as you do to me now. I will make a party. Remember me.

Definetly.
The End.

[jimsan]

Why do you go to church ?

You do not show christian values, the church does not tell us to seek revenge nor harm on those who hurt us.

Quite the opposite in fact.

What kind of person prays to God and asks him to exact revenge for such petty things.

You may have been hurt but you are a man, get over it.

[Ambassador]

Inurface is already a lot. Well tell you. or rather ask a question. but what about those people who have lost about 5 to 10 years in search? and take revenge on everyone? Each of us goes through this experience. but the evil and the place given to women. but you're a man. we have such men as weak. Did you faint? Of course now, many will probably be outraged. But let's look on the other hand on your theory of church activities. God teaches us to love and forgive. one of the ten commandments, rules .- Love me his enemy. you know the true meaning of this phrase? Think. what are you talking about now, the curse. you can only hurt yourself.

I think that the guy - an insult closed mind. should not touch it now. this is my IMHO

[slkas]

Why ask for divine assistance in seeking payback.....get it yourself, or get over it. The knife cuts both ways. You have chosen to put this behind you so adapt, overcome, and move on with life. The Universe doesn't care about any one of us, the only thing that is rewarded is survival and you have survived.

[Ambassador]

I think that negative experiences are also good to have. it makes us strong

[Bizarre]

Although I'm not a saint, I'm still a believer. As I said, before I left Moscow, I visited the Christ the Saviour church.
I made a prayer
Let all those who hurt, played and lied be punished
Let they not see a bright day
Let their eyes go dry
Let they spend all the money they scammed in a pharmacy
Let their homes appear on CNN (when they show reports of war or natural disasters)
Let people dance kazachok on their graves from happiness
(my country is known for colorful curses and they always work, they bite like a weasel and they never let go)

I made a cross with three fingers three times (I'm an orthodox christian) for the Father the Son and the Holy Spirit and Virgin Mary the Presvetlaya Bogoroditsa, let all this will be done.
Amen! +

The End.

Did you really say such a pray in the Church? I am so sorry for you. But all these things will definetely happen with you. It could be different if you forgave the women and prayed for them. What a poor guy you are. My condolences that all these terrible things will happen with you

[NewSarah]

You know what's interesting... Some people are naturally wise and know that they should never wish something bad to anybody... some learn through their life and understand it late... some never learn and never understand the lessons.
The world will smile to you only if you smile to the world. I also wish I could learn it long time ago. It is so simple, but it is so difficult to understand. I even think no sense to explain it to anybody - everybody have their own ways ... and probably destinies.

[Observer]

Why do you go to church ?

You do not show christian values, the church does not tell us to seek revenge nor harm on those who hurt us.

Quite the opposite in fact.

What kind of person prays to God and asks him to exact revenge for such petty things.

You may have been hurt but you are a man, get over it. .

Real christian values can be found only in Russia.
They scam you, mistreat you, destroy you and you must ask forgivness for it, cause it's all your fault and then when xmas or easter comes, they all go to church with covered heads like innocent virgins. This poor guy gave it all to russia and was blasted by his ex just for reasonably suggesting that they should think before marrying. he even went to her place to beg forgivness and got kicked in a butt and launched back home in a merciful christian way.

Jim, you say you have been scammed and mistreated there, too but you keep on going there again and again. You are a real man. You can beat them only with dignity.

Did you really say such a pray in the Church? I am so sorry for you. But all these things will definetely happen with you. It could be different if you forgave the women and prayed for them. What a poor guy you are. My condolences that all these terrible things will happen with you

well, according to your logic, you must now pray for this angry young man and forgive him. If you mean him harm, it will surely happen to you :)

its kinda bizarre you know, the guy was abused in all kinds of ways and finally his guilty :) howeva i saw no word of condemnation for those who abused, lied and cheated. the victim shall be punished, again.. funny country this russia.

no matter vwhat you do, you are guilty for everything and your rightful anger will bounce back to ya and you'll be punished for being the victim and 4 asking for your justice :) What about those who mistreated you? Nou prablem, they'll find other donkeys to ride. Only bad people succeed in this world.

[Bizarre]

hey, moderators! Is it a common thing to have 2 profiles on the site? You don't ban for it? Only a very stupid person would not notice that Inurface number 2 came back.

[L.D.]

hey, moderators! Is it a common thing to have 2 profiles on the site? You don't ban for it? Only a very stupid person would not notice that Inurface number 2 came back.

This is my last post in this forum.


Definetly.
The End.

Inurface wrote the last post twice so probably he decided to keep his promise not to write here under Inurface nick anymore.

[Ambassador]

well. this situation is worth considering. Let's look at the other side of virtual dating. I think that guy is still reading this. In online dating, it is important to pay attention to what you get letters. if a guy says that examined the culture? it must first be understood. What serious girls do not have time to write romantic letters about what a beautiful morning and a bright sun shines. and the birds singing. Knowing our life should be aware that serious girls especially need to think about loved ones, relatives, people on the job. about friends who are next. Yes we can afford to relax sometimes. But this holiday with us not every day. because we have relatives who are often sick. we have children who need to care, there are brothers and sisters. Is very common story when guys do not see the obvious. They write such a romantic fable that would attract attention because they just know that your men are sick romance. but life is the same everywhere. I'm on such a letter simply not paying attention. Serious girls often do not even know what to write about. simply ask the question that interests them.


can have any more opinions?
this guy can help to understand where his mistake? what to pay attention to the letters that would understand what a serious relationship and that there is a game?

[pouffe]

Dont ask the americans, they will say "Paris is the capital of Texas..." :lol2:
Not far to be true, only some kms from paris to houston...
ic_s0DDNoB8

[saprosky]

Not far to be true, only some kms from paris to houston...
ic_s0DDNoB8

Oui mon ami. I was thinking in this song :biggrin:

[NewSarah]

Just a small reminder -
before anybody quits talking to this forum, could you, please, donate your Casino money to NewSarah? It will take you a minute, but will make me happy.
Thank you for my happiness in advance.
Kussen

[Andylad]

I made a prayer
Let all those who hurt, played and lied be punished
Let they not see a bright day
Let their eyes go dry
Let they spend all the money they scammed in a pharmacy
Let their homes appear on CNN (when they show reports of war or natural disasters)
Let people dance kazachok on their graves from happiness
---------------------------------------------------------------------------------
At first i felt a little sorry for you, now i realise you are just a sick & bitter little pri@k!, Russia & the whole of Eastern Europe is better off without you, these last few posts you have written convince me that you are a spoilt little mummys boy, who has had everything handed to him on a plate & never had to do a hard days work in your life, Any man who wishes harm on another human for something so pathetic needs serious therapy. imo

[yankee]

I made a prayer
Let all those who hurt, played and lied be punished
Let they not see a bright day
Let their eyes go dry
Let they spend all the money they scammed in a pharmacy
Let their homes appear on CNN (when they show reports of war or natural disasters)
Let people dance kazachok on their graves from happiness
---------------------------------------------------------------------------------
At first i felt a little sorry for you, now i realise you are just a sick & bitter little pri@k!, Russia & the whole of Eastern Europe is better off without you, these last few posts you have written convince me that you are a spoilt little mummys boy, who has had everything handed to him on a plate & never had to do a hard days work in your life, Any man who wishes harm on another human for something so pathetic needs serious therapy. imo

Andy, thank you. I have been wanting to reply but couldn't find the right words.

[sparkle]

Just a small reminder -
before anybody quits talking to this forum, could you, please, donate your Casino money to NewSarah? It will take you a minute, but will make me happy.
Thank you for my happiness in advance.
Kussen

Hey, don't forget me, I'm visiting Kiev in September...all donations gratefully received :lol2:

[slkas]

It was a good story but it was all hearsay. Only one side of the story was presented and before any judgments can be made, the other sides must be heard and weighed. It was a good emotionally charged short story and it did get a lot of heretofore quiet lurkers posting again.

[Ambassador]

I-------
At first i felt a little sorry for you, now i realise you are just a sick & bitter little pri@k!, Russia & the whole of Eastern Europe is better off without you, these last few posts you have written convince me that you are a spoilt little mummys boy, who has had everything handed to him on a plate & never had to do a hard days work in your life, Any man who wishes harm on another human for something so pathetic needs serious therapy. imo


Bad Boy? maybe ... but ... more for such damaged boys. Look at this. The first type of waste do not have time. studied Russian language, traditions, or years of sitting at your computer screen and immediately came to the meeting. do not shoot all these years of correspondence. he was sorry for the time spent. Yes. he simply does not understand what a pleasure to go to watch other countries and cities. he just did not pay attention to this joy, because he knew the woman's search. Yes, he has more opportunities there. You call a break? Type exchanged the joy of tourism in search of love. Is bad boy? I think you are more hurt. Yes. He took a lot of cursing. but this is not corruption and resentment for taking the time to cancel.

a guy with a youth accustomed to value time. his and other

[jimsan]

In the beginning I felt kinda sorry for the guy because I know what it's like when you meet some of these nasty people and I even understood his bitterness and anger but to wish such extreme harm on others is not excusable.

You simply have to move on and put it behind you.

[Ambassador]

In the beginning I felt kinda sorry for the guy because I know what it's like when you meet some of these nasty people and I even understood his bitterness and anger but to wish such extreme harm on others is not excusable.

You simply have to move on and put it behind you.

it says that the boy learned some Russian traditions. but this is just wrong. just an insult. it does not work in such a situation

[Lesk]

Your "Good Bye Russia!" just great! And you're right - Russian talks a lot about the "Russian soul" ... I don't know what the Russian soul 'means ... I am very familiar with the concept of "russkaya dur'...." How are you now?

[NewSarah]

My dearest Natasha, Tim, Paul and Cameron!
Thank you, thank you, thank you!
I hope your donations do not mean you are going to leave this forum. My call was mostly to posters who expose their desire to leave the forum forever and I was just trying to behave selfish with selfish people.
Thanks to everybody who still stays here - the forum is still changing, going through some kind of transformation and it is obvious that strong people feel comfortable through this transition period.
My respect to everybody who reads this message.
Always with you,
Natalia

[NewSarah]

Your "Good Bye Russia!" just great! And you're right - Russian talks a lot about the "Russian soul" ... I don't know what the Russian soul 'means ... I am very familiar with the concept of "russkaya dur'...." How are you now?

I had so many fights and arguments with the Brits working with them for the last 25 years. It was always a pleasure to snap on their superior noses. I heard many nasty things from them. They heard many nasty things from me. I was fired and kicked and betrayed many times, but it would never occur to me to transfer my attitude to some people into the attitude to the country.
And one more thing that I learnt with the age - if you are a dur, you will always attract the durs around. They will follow you like your shadows and you will have this feeling that the world consist of durs only...

[Voobrazheniye]

I made a prayer
Let all those who hurt, played and lied be punished
Let they not see a bright day
Let their eyes go dry
Let they spend all the money they scammed in a pharmacy
Let their homes appear on CNN (when they show reports of war or natural disasters)
Let people dance kazachok on their graves from happiness
---------------------------------------------------------------------------------
At first i felt a little sorry for you, now i realise you are just a sick & bitter little pri@k!, Russia & the whole of Eastern Europe is better off without you, these last few posts you have written convince me that you are a spoilt little mummys boy, who has had everything handed to him on a plate & never had to do a hard days work in your life, Any man who wishes harm on another human for something so pathetic needs serious therapy. imo

Couldn't have said it better.

[Lesk]

I had so many fights and arguments with the Brits working with them for the last 25 years. It was always a pleasure to snap on their superior noses. I heard many nasty things from them. They heard many nasty things from me. I was fired and kicked and betrayed many times, but it would never occur to me to transfer my attitude to some people into the attitude to the country.
And one more thing that I learnt with the age - if you are a dur, you will always attract the durs around. They will follow you like your shadows and you will have this feeling that the world consist of durs only...

So what? I live in Germany more than 26 years ..and was NOT "fired and kicked and betrayed many times". My life is very good. And "here's" NOT about that....Read word b. word with the full attention! Objectively, the author is right at 100 percent. What about me and "russkaya durь" - no comment ... just I do not suffer from "sick self-esteem" and I able to soberly assess the surroundings.
My best regards,

[NewSarah]

So what? I live in Germany more than 26 years ..and was NOT "fired and kicked and betrayed many times". My life is very good. And "here's" NOT about that....Read word b. word with the full attention! Objectively, the author is right at 100 percent. What about me and "russkaya durь" - no comment ... just I do not suffer from "sick self-esteem" and I able to soberly assess the surroundings.
My best regards,

Ok. I will agree with you - Russkaya Dur is a unique case. Everything is ok with the rest of the world.
Regards

[Andylad]

Bad Boy? maybe ... but ... more for such damaged boys. Look at this. The first type of waste do not have time. studied Russian language, traditions, or years of sitting at your computer screen and immediately came to the meeting. do not shoot all these years of correspondence. he was sorry for the time spent. Yes. he simply does not understand what a pleasure to go to watch other countries and cities. he just did not pay attention to this joy, because he knew the woman's search. Yes, he has more opportunities there. You call a break? Type exchanged the joy of tourism in search of love. Is bad boy? I think you are more hurt. Yes. He took a lot of cursing. but this is not corruption and resentment for taking the time to cancel.

a guy with a youth accustomed to value time. his and other

I'm sorry, but if i could understand any of this post i would reply!
is your real name Zorro?

[Ambassador]

I'm sorry, but if i could understand any of this post i would reply!
is your real name Zorro?

No. i not Zorro. sorry I repeat.

you said it spoiled mama's boy? maybe .... but if you watch the other side. The guy has studied Russian language and traditions. (His evil grief show that the guy was well interested in Russian culture that would mean his future girlfriend) did not sit on the internet. The guy forgot the joy of tourism and has set a goal to look for love. Is that bad? This is for you to learn from this guy to appreciate time favorite people. the first invitation went to a real rather than virtual contact unnecessary correspondence. you say that he is a bad bad selfish? I do not think so. good to have more of these egotists who want a real friendship and not a virtual pastime that would fool the other head. A guy from a young age taught to appreciate the time - his own and other people. I do not think it is corrupt. vice versa. He's just very upset and hurt come out. Yes he has more opportunities to ride across countries. that gives you a reason to consider him spoiled.

a guy with a youth accustomed to value time. his and other

[L.D.]

hey, Lesk, how is your marriage with american guy?

[Bizarre]

Бросивший однажды - будет брошен. Пусть не сразу, пусть гораздо позже. Но поступок будет возвращён. Не простивший будет не прощён. Обманувший будет сам обманут, никуда деяния не канут. Бумерангом будущее бьёт - всё твоё тебе же отдаёт...

[snow_flake]

My God, so many God believing people in here??? :girl_pinkglassesf:

[snow_flake]

and so understandable too? :Copia de JC_stupid:

[sparkle]

My God, so many God believing people in here??? :girl_pinkglassesf:

Never argue about religion or politics :scratch_one-s_head:

[snow_flake]

Never argue about religion or politics :scratch_one-s_head:

But what if i want an argue then, then its not better themes to pick.

But to tell the truth, i am also normal norwegian christian man. But i ( and 90% of rest of population here ) doesnt feel we need to praise the Lord in public for every 5 poster here or there.


But dont worry about this Sparkie, some stupido from Gods own country has predicted that Gogabber and rest of world will end at 21.05.11, so this argue or discussion will not last long anyway:biggrin:

[sparkle]

But to tell the truth, i am also normal norwegian christian man. But i ( and 90% of rest of population here ) doesnt feel we need to praise the Lord in public for every 5 poster here or there.


But dont worry about this Sparkie, some stupido from Gods own country has predicted that Gogabber and rest of world will end at 21.05.11, so this argue or discussion will not last long anyway


6 days to go, and what a life I've had, yaaaaahooo :D

[jimsan]

If the world ends on the 21st I'll be suing someone coz I'll lose half of my paid up vacation.

:lex_02:

[Ambassador]

But Gogabber and rest of world will end at 21.05.11, so this argue or discussion will not last long anyway:biggrin:

what will happen 21.05?

[sparkle]

If the world ends on the 21st I'll be suing someone coz I'll lose half of my paid up vacation.

:lex_02:

Me too Jimbo, I've paid for two, that's a double :lex_02::lex_02:

[snow_flake]

If the world ends on the 21st I'll be suing someone coz I'll lose half of my paid up vacation.

:lex_02:

hahahahahaha:biggrin:

[NewSarah]

You have sent me so much money that I will not be able to llose it before May 21 - could anyone extend this period, or otherwise I all have to sue somebody too... :-(

[Ambassador]

You have sent me so much money that I will not be able to llose it before May 21 - could anyone extend this period, or otherwise I all have to sue somebody too... :-(

and how to transfer money? I do not have time to play games

[NewSarah]

and how to transfer money? I do not have time to play games

Come on. Everybody has time to play games!
:Laie_43:

[Ambassador]

Come on. Everybody has time to play games!
:Laie_43:

Thanks dear. I tried to play two games. it is I'm not interested for me. Have a nice day

[Lonewolf74]

And in three days I'm off to Benidorm !!

:dance3::dance3::dance3:

Para mi, muchas chicas por favor !!

:biggrin::biggrin::biggrin:

Meh... Portugal is better :P

[jimsan]

I'll get to Portugal one of these days.

:biggrin:

[saprosky]

If you go to meet a woman, be careful. First ask her to show her face in a webcam and check it. POrtugal is famous by its beard women :tongue:

[Lonewolf74]

If you go to meet a woman, be careful. First ask her to show her face in a webcam and check it. POrtugal is famous by its beard women :tongue:

Actually its the moustache...but at least they can speak english better than spanish ones.... :P

(LOL)

V.

[sparkle]

I'll get to Portugal one of these days.

:biggrin:

I've driven to there a few times Jim, some real beauties there :D

[saprosky]

Beauties in Portugal ?? :scratch_one-s_head:

Are you sure you were in Portugal ????

It's impossible to find a nice woman there. Well, if it is dark .... :biggrin:

[sparkle]

Beauties in Portugal ?? :scratch_one-s_head:

Are you sure you were in Portugal ????

It's impossible to find a nice woman there. Well, if it is dark .... :biggrin:

Beauties are everywhere, every country, it's just a matter of taste, for me, beauty is nothing, I look at the whole package :D

[saprosky]

Ok, but take with you an additional shave razor :wink3:

[Ambassador]

It's impossible to find a nice woman there. Well, if it is dark .... :biggrin:
Hmm.... Why? simple interest. this arrogance? arrogance or particular people?

[Lonewolf74]

Hmm.... Why? simple interest. this arrogance? arrogance or particular people?

H'es just jealous cause we have cuter women.... :)

V.

[Gabber]

H'es just jealous cause we have cuter women.... :)

V.

I know a couple of Portuguese women here and I gotta tell you, at 40 plus years of age they are drop dead gorgeous.

[huney]

I know a couple of Portuguese women here and I gotta tell you, at 40 plus years of age they are drop dead gorgeous.

Ah yes, but how many men are actually and actively interested in women over 40 - whether drop dead gorgeous or (OMG!) merely average? Exclude please, for the sake of this discussion, those men who are intent on procreation...

That is a serious question from one who has felt the brunt. In my admittedly limited experience, men (of any age) inevitably limit themselves to considering women under 40. imho, they automatically and often intentionally ignore any woman over the age of 45, if not 40.

How could any man over 55 consider himself a serious candidate for the committed attention of a woman under 40? And if so, why?

Equally, how might he expect to be taken seriously by any woman more than 10 years his junior even had he fully accepted her as not so very much more than a gold-digger with a whopping prenuptial? Surely it might possibly be profitable to marry a man 15, 20, or more years one's senior... but what if he doesn't die on schedule?

Kidding aside, what possible multi-dimensional connectivity might there be in a relationship with nearly a generation's difference in age and experience? I understand the possibility that love plays a part, and there surely are exceptions to prove it, but in general what do you think are the chances that a given man of a "certain age" will find "everlasting love" with a child-woman of any nationality?

[Gabber]

Me. I have no desire to date anyone under 40, even that is youngish

[sparkle]

Ah yes, but how many men are actually and actively interested in women over 40 - whether drop dead gorgeous or (OMG!) merely average? Exclude please, for the sake of this discussion, those men who are intent on procreation...

That is a serious question from one who has felt the brunt. In my admittedly limited experience, men (of any age) inevitably limit themselves to considering women under 40. imho, they automatically and often intentionally ignore any woman over the age of 45, if not 40.

How could any man over 55 consider himself a serious candidate for the committed attention of a woman under 40? And if so, why?

Equally, how might he expect to be taken seriously by any woman more than 10 years his junior even had he fully accepted her as not so very much more than a gold-digger with a whopping prenuptial? Surely it might possibly be profitable to marry a man 15, 20, or more years one's senior... but what if he doesn't die on schedule?

Kidding aside, what possible multi-dimensional connectivity might there be in a relationship with nearly a generation's difference in age and experience? I understand the possibility that love plays a part, and there surely are exceptions to prove it, but in general what do you think are the chances that a given man of a "certain age" will find "everlasting love" with a child-woman of any nationality?



Absolutely, 100% agree with you. I have no interest, in woman, outside my generation, also, I have no emotional interest, in tall woman, also no fat woman, or woman who depilate (shave) lol

[saprosky]

And in three days I'm off to Benidorm !!

:dance3::dance3::dance3:

Para mi, muchas chicas por favor !!

:biggrin::biggrin::biggrin:

In Benidorm only old people, specially now. And when I say old I mean over 65.

Spanish state pay to retired people holidays in some touristic places and Benidorm is the most famous. So probably the averag will be 70-75. Good luck :pardon:

[sparkle]

In Benidorm only old people, specially now. And when I say old I mean over 65.

Spanish state pay to retired people holidays in some touristic places and Benidorm is the most famous. So probably the averag will be 70-75. Good luck :pardon:


Hmmm 70-75 nope, that's a bit too old for me ;) lol

[Ambassador]

Error men is that often want to be near a beautiful doll. then begin to understand that a woman needed just the ticket. I think that this psychological moment. to show that he is so good that the man is a young woman. Brag about it to friends. very often tells self-interest. this is called a crisis of advanced age. because they understand that young they will not be. it often closes their mind. totally agree with Honey

[huney]

Absolutely, 100% agree with you. I have no interest, in woman, outside my generation, also, I have no emotional interest, in tall woman, also no fat woman, or woman who depilate (shave) lol

Well, that's one strike against me! :bye:

[yankee]

Ah yes, but how many men are actually and actively interested in women over 40 - whether drop dead gorgeous or (OMG!) merely average? Exclude please, for the sake of this discussion, those men who are intent on procreation...

That is a serious question from one who has felt the brunt. In my admittedly limited experience, men (of any age) inevitably limit themselves to considering women under 40. imho, they automatically and often intentionally ignore any woman over the age of 45, if not 40.

How could any man over 55 consider himself a serious candidate for the committed attention of a woman under 40? And if so, why?

Equally, how might he expect to be taken seriously by any woman more than 10 years his junior even had he fully accepted her as not so very much more than a gold-digger with a whopping prenuptial? Surely it might possibly be profitable to marry a man 15, 20, or more years one's senior... but what if he doesn't die on schedule?

Kidding aside, what possible multi-dimensional connectivity might there be in a relationship with nearly a generation's difference in age and experience? I understand the possibility that love plays a part, and there surely are exceptions to prove it, but in general what do you think are the chances that a given man of a "certain age" will find "everlasting love" with a child-woman of any nationality?

My wife was 47 when we first met six years ago.

[Gabber]

My wife was 47 when we first met six years ago.

yah, but you're 90 :biggrin:

[yankee]

yah, but you're 90 :biggrin:

I only look 90. I behave like a child so it evens out.:dance3:

[jimsan]

Ah yes, but how many men are actually and actively interested in women over 40 - whether drop dead gorgeous or (OMG!) merely average? Exclude please, for the sake of this discussion, those men who are intent on procreation...

That is a serious question from one who has felt the brunt. In my admittedly limited experience, men (of any age) inevitably limit themselves to considering women under 40. imho, they automatically and often intentionally ignore any woman over the age of 45, if not 40.

How could any man over 55 consider himself a serious candidate for the committed attention of a woman under 40? And if so, why?

Equally, how might he expect to be taken seriously by any woman more than 10 years his junior even had he fully accepted her as not so very much more than a gold-digger with a whopping prenuptial? Surely it might possibly be profitable to marry a man 15, 20, or more years one's senior... but what if he doesn't die on schedule?

Kidding aside, what possible multi-dimensional connectivity might there be in a relationship with nearly a generation's difference in age and experience? I understand the possibility that love plays a part, and there surely are exceptions to prove it, but in general what do you think are the chances that a given man of a "certain age" will find "everlasting love" with a child-woman of any nationality?

Well I know two women who are almost 50 and I like them both very much.
Unfortunately both are commited.
:lex_02:
Point is not all us men are looking for much younger women.

[allinka]

never say never

[Taiss]

as for the subj...
perhaps it could be interesting for some men who tried getting married to a russian girls/lady/woman...
Basically, there is huge difference even between russian women who was grown up in the FUS and thouse who was grown up in RF.
I read the story about Lana (secretary, who falled in love with one of the present here) and I have to tell you, that her traits are 'from FSU'. Such kind women are rare now. They differ from their younger countrywomen. But they can't be younger 30 e.o. Just remember the history of the country...
And what can I see when i go to any marriage-site?
Men in their 50-s are looking for girls in their 20-s...
Do they really hope to find love?
Ten years ago i met a very nice american man. He came to Russia on business and was keen to meet a russian girl. My friend asked me to translate for him. We walked, went sightseeing (there are many interesting places of interest in Sankt-Petersburg i can show round my friends), i was not in a hurry to make my mind about my heart told me (fortunately) and i have no desire to make sex but he did not want to wait untill we know each other better. I had enough money (i do) to pay for myself and the only my goal was to understand is he the man i could fall in love with deeply so i needed some time (no less than 1-2 months)... but... one day he told me that i am too old to waiste his time... he was 10 years older me.
I don't want to comment the story.
I want to pay your attention that every person has a heart but only mind.

(*sorry for mistakes, has no practic for a very long time
if something in not readable, please, tell me)

By the way... i am older now. So i have no any chance?

:dntknw:

[sparkle]

Well, that's one strike against me! :bye:


:lol2: same for the majority honey :air_kiss::dance3:

[sparkle]

Well I know two women who are almost 50 and I like them both very much.
Unfortunately both are commited.
:lex_02:
Point is not all us men are looking for much younger women.

That makes two of us Jimbo :Laie_98:

OH, it's gone 6, I'm still alive and kicken :Laie_98::meeting:

[Gabber]

as for the subj...
Men in their 50-s are looking for girls in their 20-s...
Do they really hope to find love?
By the way... i am older now. So i have no any chance?

:dntknw:

yes you do. I would think by now that western men have lost the silly dream of marrying a woman fifteen to thirty years younger than them but apparently there are still a few out there.

[Taiss]

Gabber,
sounds nice. Thanks.

[Koshka]

I'm writing this from my hotel room in Moscow. Though I loved Russia very much ... and BLAHBLAHBLAH


The main problem with this guy is that he do not WISH to marry, are not ready and and do not wish to grow up, all other here is poetry and pure fantasy ;)

[NewSarah]

By the way... i am older now. So i have no any chance? :dntknw:

You, and all who are looking for their partners, always have a chance. And it will come in the right time. If your right time is 96, then you will receive what you want at this age (not trying to scare you - just exaggerating to emphasize the tendencies).

[NewSarah]

The main problem with this guy is that he do not WISH to marry, are not ready and and do not wish to grow up, all other here is poetry and pure fantasy ;)

Poetry... Lyrics... how nice... wellcome back from your long business trip :Laie_43:

[Taiss]

And it will come in the right time.

i see.
Agree.
I'm not too young to be in a hurry and have enough time to be blessed by love.