Being Honest

[Gabber]

I am learning quickly that doing your best to remain honest or truthful is a losing cause.

How many rich people do you know who are honest?

Sure, you gain respect and people believe you when you speak...woopty freaking doo..you can be honest while not so honest buddy three streets down is swimming in the new pool he had installed in his huge home.

Now, of course, the obvious person is gonna skewer me about an offshoot of GG not being honest but that in itself was a honest mistake...kind of. This particular person who will do the skewering received nothing but honest responses from me and then used them against me later on, not unlike the women who no longer visit us here. So being honest has done f-all for me, especially here on GG. Being honest did nothing for me in several relationships and was in fact was seen as a weakness instead of a strength.

I ask you guys...is it worth it in the long run. Is God really watching?

[Lonewolf74]

I would say so!!

[Mnguy2007]

I am learning quickly that doing your best to remain honest or truthful is a losing cause.

How many rich people do you know who are honest?

Sure, you gain respect and people believe you when you speak...woopty freaking doo..you can be honest while not so honest buddy three streets down is swimming in the new pool he had installed in his huge home.

Now, of course, the obvious person is gonna skewer me about an offshoot of GG not being honest but that in itself was a honest mistake...kind of. This particular person who will do the skewering received nothing but honest responses from me and then used them against me later on, not unlike the women who no longer visit us here. So being honest has done f-all for me, especially here on GG. Being honest did nothing for me in several relationships and was in fact was seen as a weakness instead of a strength.

I ask you guys...is it worth it in the long run. Is God really watching?

Bobby
I can only speak for myself but I would have to say yes honesty is worth it.
I know exactly what you mean when it comes to business and other aspects of life. In fact I started over in both business and relationship because of this issue.
I can't say if God is watching or not but I can say that I can at least look in the mirror and like what I see as a person. I can say I have taught my children by example and am respected by them for that. So in my opinion honesty, morals,and values matter when you consider what is really most important in life.

[Ambassador]

There`s no place for honesty if in life only one purpose - money.

If purpose of your life are love and happiness, honesty should be at first place.

[Andylad]

Bobby
God has sweet F/A to do with it! but i know what you mean, let the others lie, cheat & do the underhand things they do, but at least if you are straight & honest you can always hold your head up high with a clear conscience,
thats the way i always see it anyway..

[kentuckydan]

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I ask you guys...is it worth it in the long run. Is God really watching?

Let us analyze this logically there are 4 variables

You Lie or are Honest.
God is Watching or God is not Watching

Suppose you Lie and God is not Watching? No Big Deal Nothing happens

Suppose you are Honest and God is not Watching? Again No Big Deal Nothing happens


Suppose you are Honest and God is Watching. Hmm might be a Big Deal

Suppose you LIE and God is Watching Very Big Deal

So in 50% of the possible outcomes what you do does not matter
in the reamainig 50% it matters a lot

Be Honest and take your lumps

[disc999golfer999]

Yes Be honest. However it can be seen that you over-expose yourself in the relationship and that can open you up for verbal assults, and attacks from 3rd persons. I would say the best thing is to associate with people who have integrity then you don't have to worry as much that they are all out to take advantage of you.

If for example you are too honest about the money in the relationship and the woman is an over spender then you run the risk of having her run your finances into the ground. I know because that happened to me. Best thing is find people who have integrity and make them your friend. Don't associate with people who are scammers or financial leaches.

[zforz]

lets say that god is here not envollved and monney excluded. I try to live as close to my true...

[Koshka]

the main point of game calling life - never wait that people will honest with you because anybody can't be being 100% honest with him/herself ;)
everyone has his own truth, which will be a lie for others.:girl_to_take_umbrag

[Voobrazheniye]

Generally, of course, I believe that honesty is the best policy. I detest being lied to, so I try not to lie to others.

I said "try."

We are rarely as good as we wish to be or as we might think we are. Certainly, there have been times in my life when I have not been completely honest, and I can probably rationalize most of those instances. Some - in my early years - I can't rationalize beyond youthful stupidity.

But the sad fact is that life does not always reward the honest. In fact, sometimes the more honest you are, the more you are screwed by those who make a practice not to be. I went through a business situation a few years ago that bears out that fact, and - like most of us - I've suffered my share of dishonesty in relationships.

So, sometimes we are left with little choice but to fight fire with fire, hold our cards close and perhaps even be less than honest about the cards we hold. It may not be the way life should be lived, but it's how life often forces us to be.

But it should never become a habit.

[jimsan]

For me, God has nothing to do with it for I'm not honest to please him or anyone else.
This is a personal thing and we all have different views and opinions about it.
But I'm honest because that's how I've chosen to live my life and yes, there have been times when my honesty has worked against me and I've suffered because of it but even though many profit from their lies and deceit I will not join this club.
I may lose out sometimes because of it but I can hold my head up high because I'm true to myself.
I am my own man I will always retain my principles, no matter the cost.
But I'm not a saint, I do tell little lies, like if a woman says " Does my ass look big in this ? "

Well, you can guess my answer..........:laugh1:

[huney]

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Now, of course, the obvious person is gonna skewer me about an offshoot of GG not being honest but that in itself was a honest mistake...kind of. This particular person who will do the skewering received nothing but honest responses from me and then used them against me later on, not unlike the women who no longer visit us here. So being honest has done f-all for me, especially here on GG. Being honest did nothing for me in several relationships and was in fact was seen as a weakness instead of a strength.

I ask you guys...is it worth it in the long run. Is God really watching?

I do not understand what you are referring to. It is very confusing. Apparently I missed that episode... :scratch_one-s_head:

In general it is my opinion, morality issues aside, that lying simply isn't worth the trouble. When one does not tell the truth it takes a lot of effort to remember what one did say. And a liar is always caught out in the end. If one cannot tell the truth, one ought say nothing at all.

It's so much better to retain one's dignity saving precious brain cells for more useful work.

[zforz]

"everyone has his own truth, which will be a lie for others."


you shakspearian aproach cant judge so negativly the own true open to all.....It gives trust and shows solidity of character.


lavuun

[kentuckydan]

I do not understand what you are referring to. It is very confusing. Apparently I missed that episode... :scratch_one-s_head:

In general it is my opinion, morality issues aside, that lying simply isn't worth the trouble. When one does not tell the truth it takes a lot of effort to remember what one did say. And a liar is always caught out in the end. If one cannot tell the truth, one ought say nothing at all.

It's so much better to retain one's dignity saving precious brain cells for more useful work.

Well of course the Truth IS easier to remember, lie enough and you have a hard time keeping your story consistant :lol2:

[kentuckydan]

I suppose the real test is what you do when faced with the "Consequences" of your "Principles" many years ago in my early 20s I was a store detective, I arrested a woman and I had her cold.

Problem was her husband owned the largest construction company in the State,

We we looking at a jury trial with the top law firm in the State for the Defence and Congressmen and State Supreme Court justices for character witnesses

Oh and a college buddy who was a jr associate of that firm informe me I was going to be personally sued for about 50k which has a nice peice of change 30 some years ago when I was making less than $2/hr

The prosecting attorney and the judge decided to "Continue the Case Generally" That was the only case I was involved in out of about 1000 personal arrests and 2 to 4K assists that did not result in a conviction.

And despite the not too vieled threat which now that I think of it was prestty much an attempt to "suborn a witness" I WAS going to testify.

After we left the court room the husband approached me and said

You realise that was my wife and I had to take care of her.

I understood I AM from KY, you take care of Family period, I told him so.

We understood each other,. He said "you were going to testify weren't you?"

I said yes, We did understand each other.

Then he suprised me and said'

Integrity like yours is hard to find if you ever need a job look me up.

[bryangriffiths]

doesnt matter in the end you are screwed

[Gabber]

doesnt matter in the end you are screwed

how so...explain

[Lonewolf74]

[QUOTE=jimsan;192689...
I may lose out sometimes because of it but I can hold my head up high because I'm true to myself.
I am my own man I will always retain my principles, no matter the cost.
...[/QUOTE]

Right on Jim!

V.

[Ambassador]

For me, God has nothing to do with it for I'm not honest to please him or anyone else.
This is a personal thing and we all have different views and opinions about it.
But I'm honest because that's how I've chosen to live my life and yes, there have been times when my honesty has worked against me and I've suffered because of it but even though many profit from their lies and deceit I will not join this club.
I may lose out sometimes because of it but I can hold my head up high because I'm true to myself.
I am my own man I will always retain my principles, no matter the cost.
But I'm not a saint, I do tell little lies, like if a woman says " Does my ass look big in this ? "

Well, you can guess my answer..........:laugh1:


Jimm is right. First of all you have to be honest to yourself instead of shifting responsibility to God

[huney]

Jimm is right. First of all you have to be honest to yourself instead of shifting responsibility to God

I don't see that Bobby is shifting responsibility to the higher power. It seems to me he was asking why it appears that liars are often rewarded and honest people often not, though it occurs to me his measure of "reward" in financial gain is misplaced. Better to ask how many honest people are happy and how many liars spend their lives looking over their shoulder.

To my knowledge no one ever said God would, could, or should make anyone happy or rich, only that he/she gives us the capacity to be happy and the ability to work.

Perhaps "Is God watching?" is a rhetorical question or perhaps Bobby wants to know if his reward will come in another place and time...

[Koshka]

Now, of course, the obvious person is gonna skewer me about an offshoot of GG not being honest but that in itself was a honest mistake...kind of. This particular person who will do the skewering received nothing but honest responses from me and then used them against me later on, not unlike the women who no longer visit us here. So being honest has done f-all for me, especially here on GG. Being honest did nothing for me in several relationships and was in fact was seen as a weakness instead of a strength.

I ask you guys...is it worth it in the long run. Is God really watching?

Has reminded as the one person thought me saying --"needn't confuse a honesty with a naivety" ;)

[pouffe]

Be honest and let the others scam you...

Well sometimes i even lie to me...

[Gabber]

On Monday morning at 8:30 am I sat in a boardroom with five new Independent Sales Organizations (ISO's). I was invited to speak so as to pass on knowledge about the business we are in. The other speaker was an established ISO who I used to do work for when I owned a helpdesk.

I did my little speech for half an hour and the other person took over. This ISO is well known in the industry as being a cheat and generally ripping off merchants. The new ISO's hung on his every word. After I spent 30 minutes telling them that the credit card companies have become very strict and watching all ISO's they STILL wanted to follow the path of a now rich guy who is nothing but a thief.

I talked briefly with this guy after the presentation and he told me about his family trips to France, Bahama's and so on. He told me about his new home and I later watched him drive away in a Lexus SUV. So...I think he is living with himself quite well. Just my impression.