The hypocrisy of American democracy

[Neilikka]

First, let us establish, dear reader, the fact that the United States of America was never meant nor created as a Democracy. The word, as a matter of fact, never appears in any of the original documents of the Founding Fathers of America. Nor in their writings, which if anything, take democracy in a very poor light. So to see that America is now a democracy is to show that as a nation it's government is a hypocrisy and out right lie, an illegality that is no longer based on a constitution but on the whim of a small and all powerful elite.
But even as a democracy, America is a perverse one, more akin to a Marxist creation, not quite Stalinist Soviet and not quite Trotskyte Nazi, but something of a hybrid of both. It is a democracy where the rights of the minority, such as the homosexuals and Muslims, routinely trumps the rights of the Christian majority, who are viewed by the elites as a vast unwashed, ignorant economic unit to be taxed as needed, bled for the right causes (and there are tons of these right causes) in foreign wars and socially experimented on, at the elites' whim.
It is a democracy where children are forced to accept homosexuality as a "normal" lifestyle and are even taught the details of homosexual sex and encouraged to experiment and parents who protest to loudly can be arrested (state dependent but the number of states where this is true is quickly growing). It is also one where the Islamic faith is taught in school...do not mistake what I am saying with historical knowledge of the Muslim world, but actual tenants of Islam and why they should be followed by the very children who are being brainwashed. It is a democracy where illegal Hispanic aliens have greater rights in 3 of the biggest US cities (Los Angeles, Houston and San Fransisco) than the actual native and legal residents. Where laws like drinking and driving and seat belts, etc do not apply to them.
Of course the most interesting thing about this, is the passivity of the 95% of that vast serfdom. After all, it is the slave who thinks himself a free man who makes the best slave.
But what about the media and the elections? The elections are done in a style very reminisent of the old soviet system. Each of the two main parties (and everything in the system and media and big business is set up to support these two "parties", really more branches of one party) selects a candidate through a convoluted system of caucuses, where mass corruption is the name of the game. If the wrong candidate looks winnable, such as Dr. Ron Paul, the system is often rigged to exclude his supporters or to change the voting rules. Even if law suits win against these arbitrary changes, by the unelected local leadership, it's a Pyhrric victory at best, as by that point the ballets are already cast and the party candidates are "chosen". Of course this is set at the outset by party leadership and in truth there is precious little difference between the hard left Democrats and the not quite as hard left Republicans.
Actual conservatives and nationalists are deemed fringe candidates. Again, with the example of Dr. Ron Paul, who was branded a radical fringer . What was so radical about his views? He demanded the government follow the very Constitution it professes to use as its basis and whose example it used to beat nations all over the world on the head with. In truth, the government of America is an illegal entity whose basis is only a shadow of its own Constitution and who in truth has little right to do the things it does, such as regulate schools, medical care, pensions, etc. Even issues such as drinking ages, clearly the ownership of states, are regulated by the central government, through bribes of Federal (read tax payer) monies.
These very issues caused the American Civil War, one won not so much by the Federal North but by the clique of communists (German refuges of the failed 1848 socialist Europe wide revolution) who surrounded Abraham Lincoln and helped found the Republican party. Many of these men were on first name basis and pen pals of Karl Marx and were rewarded by Lincoln with 8 generalships , 10 colonelships in the Union Army and several Secretarial (Minister) level posts. Since than, to greater and greater extent, the Reds have held power in Washington and NYC and have used that influence to shape the form of the world: be it funding the over throw and murder of the Holy Tsar or the creation of the socialist United Nations and its predecessor the League of Nations or the equally socialist World Trade Organization and it's Marxist plank of Free Trade.
Of course, none of this could be possible without the full support of the Fourth Estate, the so called free press. In truth, America has Freedom of the Press but do not mistake this with a Free Press. The main press outlets are owned by the very interests who control the government and thus do little actual questioning and only pandering to the presidents in power. Glaring issues, such as McCaine temper or his pandering to Albanian Islamics or Obama's crooked cronies and political associates from Chicago, his former Islamic life (and why if he actually renounced Islam, he is not targeted for death as all Islamic apostates are) or for that matter, his extreme Marxist views, are never questioned. Nor is it questioned what price the public will pay for the amnesties that both candidates promise for the 20 million or more illegals. Thus any issue that directly impacts the public negatively and will be pushed down the throat of the serfs, is at best sugar coated or at worst ignored.
When rivals like Dr. Ron Paul rise up and dare to actually win or come in second (Dr. Paul came in second in 4 states) during primaries, they are constantly ridiculed by the main line press or ignored. In truth, ignoring all that is important is the way of the American Fourth Estate. The Public is constantly fed celebrity gossip and staged or exaggerated people stories, like the boy who falls down the well. That the war may be taking a bad turn or the economy may be collapsing is all but ignored but a who killed whom or some other such is constantly talked about, constantly beamed into the heads of the dumbed down serfs. The Romans had a name for this: bread and circuses, except in America, the profit margin is taken one step further with only circuses on TV and no bread.
Thus, for those who do not understand what they envy and emulate, a warning: unless you are one of the elites who wishes to own serfs and rule in a Orwellian new reality, be careful for what you ask for.

Stanislav Mishin

The article reprinted with the kind permission from Stanislav Mishin and can be found on his personal blog Mat Rodina

[Voobrazheniye]

You know... I did actually try to read the article. But when it's posted as one big continuous block of text, with no paragraph breaks, it's just not worth the effort.

I suspect it was just all crap anyway.

[Sveta's Hero]

I actually did read the first three paragraphs, and I can assure you that it really is crap.

[Neilikka]

Lazy bones, both of you!

[Sveta's Hero]

Lazy bones, both of you!


No, I just got to the lie about American children being taught the details of homosexual sex and encouraged to experiment. I could'nt continue to read such hogwash.

[Lucker]

I am afraid that it is one of the silliest .
If I was Politically active , it would worry me to see this type of cheap material repeatedly churned out , containing the same old rubbish , BUT to an assumed audience who, in great part , accept and believe it , for they have now heard the same garbage a hundred times with slight variations .Or may be a thousand times with a cumulative effect of kidding the naieve to believe that "where there is smoke there is bound to be US muck "
We , at a distance , can rightly laugh at its zero intellectual grasp but my worry is that so many with no opportunity to check and evaluate , lap it up as the genuine article .
Because we are lucky in the West and the US and tend to just shrug it off , we run the risk of propaganda like this actually being welcomed and swallowed and used by groups who simply know no better .
We only have to go back to the recent spat in the greater Georgian territory to see how certain groups starved of full information will swallow anything that is given them almost as a congregation receives words of Ministry from its High Priests .

[Neilikka]

That's enough for me. Bye-bye, American boys! Bye-bye arrogant English gentlemen. I am moving to the other half of the Forum. I can't understand English any more.
Fare thee well and if forever, still forever! Fare thee well!
:lol:

[huney]

Stan got one thing right. The US is not a democracy. It is a Republic (in part based on democratic principles wherein the people's representatives are elected democratically).

The operative difference being that under the Constitution of a Republic the rights of the individual and of the minority are protected not only from despotism but from what might otherwise become mob rule.

[Lucker]

We get carried away sometimes with our strength and good fortune .

But if you want Arrogance , talk to an untutored Russian .It's like playing Chess supremely well .
Great Chess but not actually how life works .

[Voobrazheniye]

That's enough for me. Bye-bye, American boys! Bye-bye arrogant English gentlemen. I am moving to the other half of the Forum. I can't understand English any more.
Fare thee well and if forever, still forever! Fare thee well!
:lol:

She'll be back. She can't resist Ramon.

[Lucker]

She's got good taste , Mr Smelly Hyena
I am a very clean Siberian Tiger who has just had his stripes wire brushed and his teeth flossed .

[RiverRock]

Did you guys really read this one..? It is slightly slanted but it is all true!!! It is actually quite good I think.

It is not beneficial to just post that this is crap to every single article Neilikka posts without saying why. After all this time she deserves more respect than that. You know she doesn't believe everything she posts and does it, to get a discussion.

How much do we respect the intelligence of the elements of the YRWM whose only argument is your a stupid brainwashed American and wrong but can't reasonably say why? Or what does it say about a person who makes arguments by calling who they disagree with fossils or septics :becky:? You know what I mean.

[IamKeenan]

She'll be back. She can't resist Ramon.



Or she can't resist trying to undermine the great integrity of the Western Hemisphere:yo:

Sorry My Wife but it is true. I still think you should post the Imperfections of Russia when you point to the Imperfections of the West. It is only fair don't you think? People would respect you more and it would show us as ''Somewhat'' equal:yo:

[RiverRock]

Ok, here is what I say. It is too long to actually read :lol: but oh well. If you do read it, what do you say?

First, let us establish, dear reader, the fact that the United States of America was never meant nor created as a Democracy. The word, as a matter of fact, never appears in any of the original documents of the Founding Fathers of America.

It is not a democracy in the strictest ancient greek use of the word but that is not a bad thing. It was created that way on purpose with great wisdom.

The idea is that you want the power to be spread out among all the people, but at the same time you don't want the masses making all the decisions either. The masses (or the mob) can be crazy and emotionally led. That is why we have representative democracy believing that you can elect great leaders that follow their oath to the constitution and serve the will of the people.


But even as a democracy, America is a perverse one, more akin to a Marxist creation, not quite Stalinist Soviet and not quite Trotskyte Nazi, but something of a hybrid of both.

It is a democracy where the rights of the minority, such as the homosexuals and Muslims, routinely trumps the rights of the Christian majority, who are viewed by the elites as a vast unwashed, ignorant economic unit to be taxed as needed, bled for the right causes (and there are tons of these right causes) in foreign wars and socially experimented on, at the elites' whim.

A little exaggerated but the cases can be made where this is true. The government should protect the rights of minorities within reason, but not interfere with the rights or at the expense of the majority.


It is a democracy where children are forced to accept homosexuality as a "normal" lifestyle and are even taught the details of homosexual sex and encouraged to experiment and parents who protest too loudly can be arrested (state dependent but the number of states where this is true is quickly growing).

It is also one where the Islamic faith is taught in school...do not mistake what I am saying with historical knowledge of the Muslim world, but actual tenants of Islam and why they should be followed by the very children who are being brainwashed.

It is a democracy where illegal Hispanic aliens have greater rights in 3 of the biggest US cities (Los Angeles, Houston and San Fransisco) than the actual native and legal residents. Where laws like drinking and driving and seat belts, etc do not apply to them.

Thank God, the majority of Americans (at least half?) vehemently oppose all this and it does not represent most of the country. The more the liberal left like gains power and influence the more this will be true. Who will win out?


Of course the most interesting thing about this, is the passivity of the 95% of that vast serfdom.

After all, it is the slave who thinks himself a free man who makes the best slave.
Seems to be true. Most people are too lazy to use their own brain and while everything is good there is no urgency to do something. Maybe Americans are just procrastinators.
I believe there is a big enough under current of people in America that understand things and can inspire something if the time is right.

The kind of people that have immigrated to America over the past 100's of years are the ones willing to risk everything (even death) for a chance of a better life and freedom to live as they want. Maybe it's in our genes. (Not the ones brought here against their will of course).

The right to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness. It is the "American soul" :lol: Any government of the U.S. can only go so far in interfering with this before causing its own demise. (I hope)


But what about the media and the elections? The elections are done in a style very reminiscent of the old soviet system. Each of the two main parties (and everything in the system and media and big business is set up to support these two "parties", really more branches of one party) selects a candidate through a convoluted system of caucuses, where mass corruption is the name of the game.

If the wrong candidate looks winnable, such as Dr. Ron Paul, the system is often rigged to exclude his supporters or to change the voting rules. Even if law suits win against these arbitrary changes, by the unelected local leadership, it's a Pyhrric victory at best, as by that point the ballets are already cast and the party candidates are "chosen". Of course this is set at the outset by party leadership and in truth there is precious little difference between the hard left Democrats and the not quite as hard left Republicans.

Actual conservatives and nationalists are deemed fringe candidates. Again, with the example of Dr. Ron Paul, who was branded a radical fringer . What was so radical about his views? He demanded the government follow the very Constitution it professes to use as its basis and whose example it used to beat nations all over the world on the head with.

In truth, the government of America is an illegal entity whose basis is only a shadow of its own Constitution and who in truth has little right to do the things it does, such as regulate schools, medical care, pensions, etc. Even issues such as drinking ages, clearly the ownership of states, are regulated by the central government, through bribes of Federal (read tax payer) monies.

Hallelujah!! Isn't this what we all have been saying also? :viannen_28: (minus the comparison to soviet system)



These very issues caused the American Civil War, one won not so much by the Federal North but by the clique of communists... etc...

:confused: I don't know about this part


Of course, none of this could be possible without the full support of the Fourth Estate, the so called free press. In truth, America has Freedom of the Press but do not mistake this with a Free Press.

The main press outlets are owned by the very interests who control the government and thus do little actual questioning and only pandering to the presidents in power.

Glaring issues, such as McCaine temper or his pandering to Albanian Islamics or Obama's crooked cronies and political associates from Chicago, his former Islamic life (and why if he actually renounced Islam, he is not targeted for death as all Islamic apostates are) or for that matter, his extreme Marxist views, are never questioned.

Nor is it questioned what price the public will pay for the amnesties that both candidates promise for the 20 million or more illegals. Thus any issue that directly impacts the public negatively and will be pushed down the throat of the serfs, is at best sugar coated or at worst ignored.

This has truth to it. The media is exploited to manipulate people, and influenced by interests of corporations and we are aware of it. But the truth can be and is shown on T.V. still.

Bad things about corporations, presidents, and the bad of the government are shown all the time without someone being assassinated or taken over by the government.

I think for now the freedom of the press still holds. It is just not exercised enough.

[Sveta's Hero]

I stated my reason for not finishing the article. It's not a personal attack on Marina at all.

[bobbyd]

I agree with Brandon, there are some valid points in this article albeit worded harshly. Americans and Canadians alike are being mugged or sideswiped by Liberal groups protecting minority groups.

The writer mentioned the 20 million plus immigrants who will be given amnesty - and forgive me if I have misread the hundreds of posts previously on LL about the building of walls - but the majority of Americans on the Forum were sick and tired of the influx of illegals. Has this changed? Are your arms open wide and embracing them now?

Your public schools are told they can't celebrate Christmas or put up Christmas trees because the one or two non-Christians might feel offended. The minority runs the majority. We are told to embrace all cultures and their religions yet we cannot openly celebrate our own holidays in the schools we bought with our taxes.

Our democracy allows us to vote for the candidate of our choice but if we openly voice opinions that are against the grain of the Liberal minority we are branded racist, homophobic or deranged.

When you vote next month which candidate will stand up for the majority?

[beezneesman]

Or what does it say about a person who makes arguments by calling who they disagree with fossils or septics :becky:? You know what I mean.

Did somebody call? ;)

[svetik-perchik]

Quote by Brown Rider, in the social group American Patriots

"Irma if you like to write in that's fine but this is not your soap box to spit out anti-American propaganda..... don't be jealous of America we can't help it if our country is a superpower, what ever the past was.. w-d-g-a-f be happy we are!"


:lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol: :lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol:

Im a new comer here, just staying for a week as a guest in Irmas place, and Im so far from all the politics debates here. but I could not stop laughing when seen that...thats the true evidence of american hipocrasy

Irma has nothing else to do but bringing her olive soap to ur social group :lol::p U crazy? Do u know how much the high quality hand made soap does cost? Due to ur finanial crisis now, we guess, you will ever never figure that

and ofcourse the illusion of u being a super nation SUPERPOWER is very well known all over the world, thats why ur economy collapsed and even ur own guys in ur own goverment say, probably, it came time to pay for your blind foreign wars policy ...the illusion of u being a superpower has no ground , speially if u wont be any longer able to pay ur soldiers

by the way, the house in Florida now costs really nothing...isnt it time to be jealous for true americans that the property will be bought out by rich russians who are so so so so jealous? But the thing is there are lots more nice places in the world to buy houses in, than just Florida or Key West....USA now needs 700 bln dollars to stop the crisis, Russia now invests free money into Asian economies, prices are falling there at the moment, easy to make a good buy...we not likely to lose our money giving loans for wars in Iraq

[beezneesman]

Irma has nothing else to do but bringing her olive soap to ur social group :lol::p U crazy? Do u know how much the high quality hand made soap does cost? Due to ur finanial crisis now, we guess, you will ever never figure that

Actually if you're Russian then it is very much YOUR financial crisis too. It seems to have started in the USA (and to a much lesser extent here in the UK) but it is going to affect all countries if there is a recession.

Or hadn't you noticed the flight of capital out of Russia.

[Hoopy]

USA now needs 700 bln dollars to stop the crisis, Russia now invests free money into Asian economies, prices are falling there at the moment, easy to make a good buy...we not likely to lose our money giving loans for wars in Iraq
Strange how the Kremlin keep closing the Russian market because it's plunging so much even after they put another 36 billion into it on top of 200 billion the other day.
Maybe I should read Pravda where it will say the market closed to stop Russians companies shares going so high and the banks giving the goverment extra money they make.
Market closed (http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601085&sid=acwU18XAiUFY&refer=europe)

[Lucker]

You are right Hoppy . Russia has the worst performing markets, of any so called developed economy , in the world .
Funny how that little detail got overlooked .

[Lucker]

But even as a democracy, America is a perverse one, more akin to a Marxist creation, not quite Stalinist Soviet and not quite Trotskyte Nazi, but something of a hybrid of both. It is a democracy where the rights of the minority, such as the homosexuals and Muslims, routinely trumps the rights of the Christian majority, who are viewed by the elites as a vast unwashed, ignorant economic unit to be taxed as needed, bled for the right causes (and there are tons of these right causes) in foreign wars and socially experimented on, at the elites' whim.


What's the matter with you Wanky Pankys ?
That quoted paragraph starts off the article .
It is utter gibberish with not the trace of one fact and not even really decipherable from a charitable sub-text search .
In fact it is an attempted piece of patronising nonsense and for any of you to take it seriously shows me that your critical faculties are badly out of sorts today .

[fbibob]

To begin with, Huney was quite correct in her post.

The government of the US is a representative republic, not a democracy. A true democracy would require that each citizen vote on every piece of legislation, etc.

I scanned the article, and found nothing of value. Perhaps it is not polite to call it crap, so it would be appropriate to search for a better word.

I would suggest the following:

a) drivel
b) tripe
c) twaddle

Further input would be valued.

[bobbyd]

But even as a democracy, America is a perverse one, more akin to a Marxist creation, not quite Stalinist Soviet and not quite Trotskyte Nazi, but something of a hybrid of both. It is a democracy where the rights of the minority, such as the homosexuals and Muslims, routinely trumps the rights of the Christian majority, who are viewed by the elites as a vast unwashed, ignorant economic unit to be taxed as needed, bled for the right causes (and there are tons of these right causes) in foreign wars and socially experimented on, at the elites' whim.


What's the matter with you Wanky Pankys ?
That quoted paragraph starts off the article .
It is utter gibberish with not the trace of one fact and not even really decipherable from a charitable sub-text search .
In fact it is an attempted piece of patronising nonsense and for any of you to take it seriously shows me that your critical faculties are badly out of sorts today .


yes I read that and it is probably written by a first year poli-sci student trying to impress his flamboyant scarf wearing professor. Nonetheless, I stand by my rant on liberal do-gooders who are threatening the rights of those who have earned them.

[Lucker]

Mr Vee ,
I also dislike the swing toward extreme PC but I am sure that like all excessive pendulum swings , a return to common sense is on the horizon .
However , bemoaning present EU and US imbalances is one thing .
Linking such a trend to the very concept of Democracy or even modern Republicanism is entirely another imo
But , far , far worse is missing out and failing to report the true position in a country like Russia which , comparatively , is locked in stone age prejudice .
Their public and private treatment of Gays , Blacks and Moslems is appalling . You can add Mountain State populations to that list , though many are Moslem .
In Russia it is not about whether treatment is too favourable . It is about whether there is any human approach at all !! To compare the two cultures in these areas is ludicrous and actually downright insulting and ignorant .
Stick that in your pipe , Mr Vee ( I am talking generally and not heaping abuse on you )