Has also McCain terrorist friends ???

[saprosky]

The co-host of a recent top-dollar fundraiser for Sen. John McCain oversaw the payment of roughly $1.7 million to a Colombian paramilitary group that is today designated a terrorist organization by the United States.
Carl H. Lindner Jr., the billionaire Cincinnati businessman, was CEO of Chiquita Brands International from 1984 to 2001, and remained on the company's board of directors until May 2002. Beginning under his tenure, Chiquita executives paid hundreds of thousands of dollars to the United Self-Defense Forces of Colombia (known by the Spanish acronym AUC), which is described by George Washington University's National Security Archive as an "illegal right-wing anti-guerrilla group tied to many of the country's most notorious civilian massacres."
Read more ... (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/07/02/mccain-fundraiser-oversaw_n_110354.html)

[kentuckydan]

How many bombs did they set off in the US?

[Lucker]

I trust Obama does not dwell on the tactic of trying to blacken opposition character by accusations of guilt from even tenuous past association .
He has the election won and neither of his opponents has the where with all to defeat him in normal circumstances .
This type of attack is just a short step removed from name calling . The Public instinctively dislike this approach and punish accordingly .

[beezneesman]

It would appear that the only good terrorist is not necessarily a dead terrorist (especially if you're a Cuban plane bomber or Colombian right wing death squad psycho or member of the M-e-K)

[saprosky]

How many bombs did they set off in the US?

Why this group is in a US terrorist list ??

Mrs. Paling said Obama is a terrorist friend. How much bombs Obama set off ??

This is a dirty fight that say more about every part. If insults is the only way to win, you are really desesperated.

[kentuckydan]

Why this group is in a US terrorist list ??

Mrs. Paling said Obama is a terrorist friend. How much bombs Obama set off ??

This is a dirty fight that say more about every part. If insults is the only way to win, you are really desesperated.

Obama was the protege of Bill Ayers, his first campaign fundraiser for his first election was held in Bill Ayers home, Ayers Set up the Chicago Anenburg Challenge with some 50 to 60 million dollars worth of Grant Money which Obama distributed,

But Obama says he hardly knows the man, that Ayers is just someone who lives in his neighborhood and their kids go to the same school

If you buy that I can make you a good deal on some bridges,.

Oh and recently in an interview, Ayers said he does not regret the bombings he regrets he did not do more.

Kind of a Reverse Nathan Hale

I Regret that I did not Bomb more of my Country

[kentuckydan]

Let's Get ALL of this out BOTH sides and see how they look stacked up side by side.

[snow_flake]

How many bombs did they set off in the US? So its ok they set off bombs - so far its not in US? Guess this was not what u meant to tell, Dan - but in first i read it that way

[kentuckydan]

So its ok they set off bombs - so far its not in US? Guess this was not what u meant to tell, Dan - but in first i read it that way

There are nasty orgs and nations in the world that want to kill Americans and would be happy to see us destroyed.

There are nasty orgs and nations in the world that don't particularly want to kill Americans and would not be that happy to see us destroyed.

For some reason I find the first group of more concern to me personally than the second.

So McCain is linked to someone who gave money to an outfit now on the terrorist list.

Obams is linked to a terrorist, a domestic terrorist who regrets that his actions were not more extensive.

Neither are good, both are bad, but I don't see them as equivalent.

ONE of them is going to be President.

I have made my choice. YMMV

Now about some claims I made above, it seems CNN agrees with me, there must be a God

CNN: Obama’s lying about William Ayers (http://hotair.com/archives/2008/10/07/cnn-obamas-lying-about-william-ayers/)


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[beezneesman]

There are nasty orgs and nations in the world that want to kill Americans and would be happy to see us destroyed.

There are nasty orgs and nations in the world that don't particularly want to kill Americans and would not be that happy to see us destroyed.

For some reason I find the first group of more concern to me personally than the second.

So McCain is linked to someone who gave money to an outfit now on the terrorist list.

Obams is linked to a terrorist, a domestic terrorist who regrets that his actions were not more extensive.

Neither are good, both are bad, but I don't see them as equivalent.

ONE of them is going to be President.

I have made my choice. YMMV

Now about some claims I made above, it seems CNN agrees with me, there must be a God

CNN: Obama’s lying about William Ayers (http://hotair.com/archives/2008/10/07/cnn-obamas-lying-about-william-ayers/)


Just a note for your consideration. Your own government has been funding and protecting members of a group on your own government's list of terrorist organizations. ;)
They're called the Mujahideen-e-Khalq. IIRC the organization has been implicated in the murders of American citizens in the past.
It's funny how inconvenient factoids pop-up isn't it.

[saprosky]

Who helped with funds and armament Bin Laden in Afghanistan russian invasion ?????

[huney]

Who helped with funds and armament Bin Laden in Afghanistan russian invasion ?????

Texas Congressman Charlie Wilson

[kentuckydan]

Who helped with funds and armament Bin Laden in Afghanistan russian invasion ?????

The Saudi Wahhabis there were two groups of Mujahadeen, we financed one, Bin Laden and the other group got Saudi Funds

Bin Laden himself categorically stated he never received funds from Infidels and considered the implication insulting.

[kentuckydan]

Just a note for your consideration. Your own government has been funding and protecting members of a group on your own government's list of terrorist organizations. ;)
They're called the Mujahideen-e-Khalq. IIRC the organization has been implicated in the murders of American citizens in the past.
It's funny how inconvenient factoids pop-up isn't it.

Well it seems the European Court of Justice has overturned the EU designation

Since you keep reminded us how wrong we are and how right European diplomacy is?

Just a note for your consideration

It's funny how incovienient factoids pop up

My source is People's Mujahedin of Iran (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/People's_Mujahedin_of_Iran)

What's yours?

[kentuckydan]

The PMOI was legalized in the United Kingdom on 24 June 2008, six months after winning a court battle over its legality.

[kentuckydan]

I am curious to see your source for this org, which appears to be legal in the UK killing Amnericans?

[beezneesman]

Well it seems the European Court of Justice has overturned the EU designation

Since you keep reminded us how wrong we are and how right European diplomacy is?

Just a note for your consideration

It's funny how incovienient factoids pop up

My source is People's Mujahedin of Iran (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/People's_Mujahedin_of_Iran)

What's yours?

You conveniently left out the second part of that particular 'factoid' that you linked to Dan ;-)

'United States, European Union, Canada, Iraq and Iran have designated the PMOI a terrorist organization.[8][9] Although the European Court of Justice has overturned the EU designation in December 2006,[10] the Council of the EU declared on 30 January 2007 that it would maintain the organization on the blacklist.[11][12]'

[beezneesman]

I am curious to see your source for this org, which appears to be legal in the UK killing Amnericans?


That's rather academic - some misguided liberal human rights lawyers attempting some point scoring - that's all.

The UK is in the EU and an EU-wide proscription of the organization takes precedence and remains in place.

[beezneesman]

The Saudi Wahhabis there were two groups of Mujahadeen, we financed one, Bin Laden and the other group got Saudi Funds

Bin Laden himself categorically stated he never received funds from Infidels and considered the implication insulting.

That's very misleading. Bin Laden's group and Gulbuddin Hekmatyar's group received American funding indirectly via the Pakistan's ISI agency. No doubt it suits both sides to deny it now.

Hekmatyar is also currently well up there on the terrorist wanted list along with OBL.

I've noticed a lot of Americans like to think they were mostly backing Masood's forces in the Panjshir valley as he seems to have achieved some kind of 'Robin Hood' status post 911. However, he was very much the poor relation (and sought Iranian backing instead), most of the western and Saudi funding went to Hekmatyar and Bin Laden's forces.

[snow_flake]

There are nasty orgs and nations in the world that want to kill Americans and would be happy to see us destroyed.

There are nasty orgs and nations in the world that don't particularly want to kill Americans and would not be that happy to see us destroyed.

For some reason I find the first group of more concern to me personally than the second.

So McCain is linked to someone who gave money to an outfit now on the terrorist list.

Obams is linked to a terrorist, a domestic terrorist who regrets that his actions were not more extensive.

Neither are good, both are bad, but I don't see them as equivalent.

ONE of them is going to be President.

I have made my choice. YMMV

Now about some claims I made above, it seems CNN agrees with me, there must be a God

CNN: Obama’s lying about William Ayers (http://hotair.com/archives/2008/10/07/cnn-obamas-lying-about-william-ayers/)


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I understand that - personal security first. But u did not tell you dont support second group either. I guess relatives to these who been killed - even they live inside or outside America, will call this a terrorist act.

And whoever will be president in US, i hope he will involve himself hardly in middle east early in period ( i dont believe it will happen). If it will be sort of peace there - maybe about 2 generations real peace will happen, and things will be more stabilize. And then again - less bombs:becky:

[kentuckydan]

You conveniently left out the second part of that particular 'factoid' that you linked to Dan ;-)

'United States, European Union, Canada, Iraq and Iran have designated the PMOI a terrorist organization.[8][9] Although the European Court of Justice has overturned the EU designation in December 2006,[10] the Council of the EU declared on 30 January 2007 that it would maintain the organization on the blacklist.[11][12]'

You mean to tell us the Council of the EU is totally ignoring a ruling by the European Court of Justice?

Well what can you expect from a body that moves it's Capital once a month, they have a hard time making up their mind?

[kentuckydan]

I understand that - personal security first. But u did not tell you dont support second group either. I guess relatives to these who been killed - even they live inside or outside America, will call this a terrorist act.

And whoever will be president in US, i hope he will involve himself hardly in middle east early in period ( i dont believe it will happen). If it will be sort of peace there - maybe about 2 generations real peace will happen, and things will be more stabilize. And then again - less bombs:becky:

No I don't support Right Wing Death Squads in Columbia and I am glad the Columbian government has been able to make strides in that area and deaths of Union members etc have gone done dramaticaly

I do notice that the same folks who find that so outrageous have a singular silence about Hugo Chavez funneling some 300 Million dollars into the hands of Left Wing Terrorists?

In any even the origin of this thread was an attmept to imply some equivalence between activity of someone who supports McCain with Obama's connection to Bill Ayers

Apples and Oranges

HOWEVER'

If anyone can show that a Unrepentant Abortion Clinic Bomber whose only regret today is that he did not bomb MORE Abortion Clinics in the past

Had found a young unknown John McCain years ago put him in Charge of tens of millions of Charity Foundation Funds and then groomed him for poltical office and started his first campaign

They would really have something

[kentuckydan]

And whoever will be president in US, i hope he will involve himself hardly in middle east early in period ( i dont believe it will happen). If it will be sort of peace there - maybe about 2 generations real peace will happen, and things will be more stabilize. And then again - less bombs:becky:

I tell you what

Why don;t we just let the EU handle things and show us how it should be done?

[beezneesman]

I tell you what

Why don;t we just let the EU handle things and show us how it should be done?

You're pre-supposing that the US is actually 'handling' things in the Middle East when quite obviously it is not!

Temporarily paying off Sunni and Shiite militias in Iraq is not handling things the killing will only start again when the money runs out.

Permitting the extension of Iranian influence in Iraq is not handling things.

No signs of any kind of Palestinian Israeli settlement - so not handling things there either

Less external interference all round would appear to be a good idea.

[beezneesman]

You mean to tell us the Council of the EU is totally ignoring a ruling by the European Court of Justice?


Problem with that?

[snow_flake]

I tell you what

Why don;t we just let the EU handle things and show us how it should be done?

Its here you seems dont understand. Europeans are not against to cooperate and assosigate - that EU exist can be a proof of that.

Let me give u an example - here in Norway we have places were we jump at ski.

One man told another: Nobody could threatened me me to jump in Holmenkollen, but i could be persuaded to do it.

What i mean - talk more together , discuss, and find a compromize everybody can live with. That is the only solution who works in the long terms.

And of course u now can give me a list over situations where this did not work or went bad - buyt i am talking about discussions between close friends and allies.:)

[kentuckydan]

Problem with that?

Not at all, but it is something you'd complain of if we did it. ;)

[kentuckydan]

But now the RESULT I am not crazy about, but then y'al get to determine your own Laws
live with it or change it.

[beezneesman]

Not at all, but it is something you'd complain of if we did it. ;)


Really?
What makes you say that?

Oh and by the way - just how much active assistance is the US giving to the MEK - as opposed to some hoooooman rights lawyers in the EU trying to take them off a list?

[Lucker]

- buyt i am talking about discussions between close friends and allies.:)[/QUOTE]

Flakey
But that's the whole problem .
When did they have any willing Allies ?
Let alone friends .

[snow_flake]

- buyt i am talking about discussions between close friends and allies.:)

Flakey
But that's the whole problem .
When did they have any willing Allies ?
Let alone friends .[/QUOTE]

Now u are bull shitting Ramonskij. US had close friends and allies many year ofter WWII, if u dont remember it because of home made alzheimer let me repeat :

They saved both the ass of Norway and even Great Britain against germans. If they did not, your first language would be german now:rolleyes:

Marshall gave us economic strenght to rebuild Europe after that, so we also could resist the russians;)

So i repeat again - u can tease with friends and even critizise them - but u dont spit them into their eyes:becky:

( and u know - when the discussions between close friends and allies start - luckily none of them are members at LL or Gogabber )

[bucksbunny]

Who helped with funds and armament Bin Laden in Afghanistan russian invasion ?????

cheney dicky