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Neilikka
10-03-2008, 05:02 AM
Nearly a generation after traditional Soviet ties were severed with the collapse of communism, Russia is openly moving to establish a foothold in Latin America. If years of cordial relations between Russian leaders and Venezuelan President Hugo Chavez were seen as business as usual, Chavez's visit last week - the seventh in as many years - drove home the obvious. In wake of the latest conflict over Georgia, Russia is openly forging new alliances as a counterweight to the United States. This time, more so than during last visits, officials are openly admitting as much.

"Latin America is becoming a noticeable link in the chain of the multi-polar world that is forming," Prime Minister Vladimir Putin said Thursday just before meeting the Venezuelan leader. "We will pay more and more attention to this vector of our economic and foreign policy."
Chavez was even more outspoken. "Today like never before all that you said on the multi-polar world becomes reality. Let us not lose time," Chavez told Putin. "The world is fast developing geopolitically."

The two-day visit saw Chavez and his counterpart, President Dmitry Medvedev, clinching a whole array of new deals, including billions of dollars worth of weapons, a new gas consortium, and Putin's tentative promise to help develop the South American state's nuclear program.

In particular, the visit helped cement two important energy agreements. Energy leaders, including the heads of Russian gas monopoly Gazprom and Venezuela's PDVSA Servicios, signed a memorandum on cooperation between Gazprom Latin America and PDVSA, leading the way for a powerful oil and gas consortium.

According to a statement from Gazrpom, the agreement envisions major bilateral cooperation in gas production, including transportation, valuation, and processing of hydrocarbons. "Gazprom has been successfully working in Venezuela for many years," the Gazprom statement quotes company head Alexei Miller as saying. "The memorandum that was signed Friday determines the mechanisms of new projects, and will help develop strategic relations over a wide sector not just in Venezuela, but in other South American countries, in particular... Bolivia."

Another document forged an agreement between the Energy Ministers of the two countries for joint cooperation on energy development. According to Energy Minister Sergei Shmatko, the pact means that five leading Russian hydrocarbon producers will invest tens of billions of dollars in Venezuela's energy fields as early as this coming spring.
Also in the works was a deal on developing a civilian nuclear power program, after Putin said on Thursday that Russia was "ready to consider the possibility" of cooperating on civilian nuclear energy.

Chavez was smug upon his return to South America in wake of the Wall Street crisis, chiding Americans and boasting of his country's economic potential.
"I remember how in the past Lehman Brothers insisted that Venezuela's economy is not working, that Chavez doesn't know how to make it work," he was quoted by news agencies as saying this week. "Now Lehman Brothers and Merill Lynch are no longer leaders. Right now we can achieve maximum progress."

Chavez proposed during this week's visit to Brazil that OPEC countries create an oil bank, the Banco Petrolero Internacional, that could serve as a financial alternative for developing countries.

But bolstering new energy alliances was not the only symbolic step in the move towards the "multi-polar world" that Putin and Chavez had spoken of. For the last years, cooperation between Russia and Venezuela has focused on weapons trade, something that Venezuela is particularly grateful for.

After the United States implemented a weapons embargo around Venezuela in May, 2006, Russia defiantly moved to supply the state with $3 billion worth of Su-30 fighter jets. Since 2005, Venezuela has committed itself to purchasing $4.4 billion of Russian fighter jets, tanks and assault rifles. Now, Russia promised Chavez a $1 billion loan to purchase even more Russian arms.

Experts say that Venezuela will focus on obtaining missile defense, such as the Thor-M1 air defense short range missile complex. These can be used to protect its Su-30 air bases from a low range. Twenty complexes will cost about $600 million, according to director of the Center for Strategy and Technology Analysis, Konstantin Makienko.

A more obvious display of close military ties - and what President Medvedev described as "the strategic nature of our relationship" - was a series of naval and aerial exercises that Russia has engaged in.
Two Russian Tu-160 nuclear long-range bombers returned last week from military exercises in Caracas. Russia has agreed to dispatch long-range bombers and warships to Venezuela for exercises near US waters. The nuclear-powered guided missile cruiser Peter the Great was dispatched at the head of a naval flotilla, destined for joint naval exercises in Venezuela's territorial waters in November.
"We are not going to invade anyone, or engage in acts of aggression towards anyone," Chavez assured journalists, with some Western observers worried about the largest such deployment since the end of the Cold War. "But no one should mistake our intention: we are prepared to do everything necessary to defend Venezuelan sovereignty.''

Some Russian military officials tried to downplay the Cold War analogies and denied what appeared to be tit-for-tat measures in response to the presence of NATO and U.S. Navy ships in the Black Sea in wake of the Georgian conflict.
The Tu-160 strategic bombers were unconnected to the events in South Ossetia, Gen. Maj. Alexander Blazhenko was quoted by Russian news agencies as saying. "We had been preparing for the mission for a long time. It was just unclear what country we would go to. Finally, Venezuela proposed a partnership."

Whatever the intentions, geopolitically the movements are hard to disconnect from what Russia perceives as American incursions into its sphere of influence.
Moscow has repeatedly warned Washington about NATO expansion in former Soviet republics like Georgia and Ukraine - a global context for Georgia's military action to reign in separatist South Ossetia last month, and for Russia's quick military response.
Washington took a tough stance against Russia, calling its military action unacceptable, but more recently some U.S. officials reportedly began admitting off the record that the United States might have done the same in response to military turmoil in its traditional sphere of influence. That traditional sphere of influence, of course, is Latin America.
While U.S. Defense Department spokesman Geogg Morrell called the Venezuelan exercises a "provocation" in an interview to CNN, he said that Russia was acting "within its rights." All the while, he said that Russia knows that the United States is watching closely.

By Anna Arutunyan

Lucker
10-03-2008, 10:18 AM
The impression I get is that nobody could care less if Russia wants to be pally with Venezuela . Many Democratic countries are backing off having much contact with such regimes for ethical reasons .
My point -- which I have made before in other Posts --- is " Why did the US screw up its long term opportunity of "educating" Venezuela by taking a confrontational role immediately ?"
I can understand Russia's desperate need to look expansionist and the financial benefits from co-operation and supply .
But it is such a shame that Russia seems to pick out the scum and dross to be pals with--- Iran , Iraq ( pre war) , Syria , Lebanon , Venezuela and others like Nicaragua .
It is as though they have not the self esteem and personal confidence to operate with any ethical and moral intent . Such a pity .

pouffe
10-03-2008, 10:36 AM
The impression I get is that nobody could care less if Russia wants to be pally with Venezuela . Many Democratic countries are backing off having much contact with such regimes for ethical reasons .
My point -- which I have made before in other Posts --- is " Why did the US screw up its long term opportunity of "educating" Venezuela by taking a confrontational role immediately ?"
I can understand Russia's desperate need to look expansionist and the financial benefits from co-operation and supply .
But it is such a shame that Russia seems to pick out the scum and dross to be pals with--- Iran , Iraq ( pre war) , Syria , Lebanon , Venezuela and others like Nicaragua .
It is as though they have not the self esteem and personal confidence to operate with any ethical and moral intent . Such a pity .

"Ethical "reasons, hahaha, from what world are you?
Even in europe this word has been banned from political, economical, financial sphere.
You can only hear it if you go to the church or the temple, and trust....:eek:

Lucker
10-03-2008, 10:42 AM
Such cynicism is understandable but the merit of ethical behaviour is undeniable .
Our present Government was elected with a Manifesto which specifically addressed this matter in terms of Foreign Policy .
I do not defend their 11 year record but it is good that slowly some people are starting to think globally and with some transparency and honesty .
Criticism is part of Democracy .
But don't utterly scorn all attempts to genuinely raise the game a notch or two .

Neilikka
10-03-2008, 11:37 AM
I can't see the reason why any of these countries "Iran , Iraq ( pre war) , Syria , Lebanon , Venezuela and others like Nicaragua" is worse to be some other country's pal than, for example, God's Garden.
And I don't see high morality principles in the US's screwing up its long term opportunity of "educating" Venezuela and other Latin American countries by taking a confrontational role immediately. I think, it's immoral.

Lucker
10-03-2008, 12:35 PM
We are in absolute agreement that the US needs to learn the values of long term Diplomacy and understand many more of Life's universal truths , like , wear thick gloves when dealing with a Parrot and Braggart of limited vocabulary .
As to the matter of friends .
Speaking at the poetic level , I think Russia as a nation has forgotten what it is like to have friends . Russia has become like certain of its Forum contributors --- somewhat compulsive and obsessive , and preferring control and manipulation rather than genuine aid and co-operation .
It seems to me that is part of the reason so many Russians start waffling about Mother Russia and their great souls .
They yearn for their mother and , in the absence of friends , they look in the mirror and see no mum but a reflection of themselves which saddens them .
Just my soppy viewpoint .

Neilikka
10-03-2008, 01:22 PM
I think that Russia has very good relations with almost all European countries, except God's Garden and maybe Denmark, my lovely Denmark!!! which fell a victim of God's Garns"s intriques with Zakaev.
I consider Italia, France, Germany, Finland, Norway, Sweden our good partners in business. Heads of these countries are good personal friends of Putin. I think it's the UK that is in some kind of isolation because of its weak foreign policy.
I can't be so rude in my posts as some inhabitants of God's Garden , but I still consider Northern Ireland the greatest shame of its mighty neighbour.

Lucker
10-03-2008, 01:35 PM
Bella ,
You fall into the trap of equating a business relationship with friendship .
I do not believe for even one second that any of those countries thinks of Russia where " friends" features as part of the scene .
I would say that the vast bulk of the business is done because of necessity ---- Gas , Oil , metals and wheat . I am sure all of the EU are seeking ways to decrease reliance on the Federation because your country is not trusted .
And it is sanctimonious nonsense to claim a true friendship with anybody you cannot trust . Russia is what we call a fair weather friend . They give as long as it suits them and when it does not , you see the true character ----- Georgia , Chechnya , Belarus , Ukraine are obvious recent examples . This , allied to a mind set that is outside of the Rule of Law makes friendship impossible .
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Hoopy
10-03-2008, 02:01 PM
I can't be so rude in my posts as some inhabitants of God's Garden , but I still consider Northern Ireland the greatest shame of its mighty neighbour.
Explain what you mean by this Bella.

beezneesman
10-03-2008, 02:40 PM
I consider Italia, France, Germany, Finland, Norway, Sweden our good partners in business. Heads of these countries are good personal friends of Putin. I think it's the UK that is in some kind of isolation because of its weak foreign policy.
I can't be so rude in my posts as some inhabitants of God's Garden , but I still consider Northern Ireland the greatest shame of its mighty neighbour.

As I'm an Anglo-Irish former soldier in the British Army who did two tours in NI during the 'Troubles' would you be so kind as to clarify what you mean by that?

I am genuinely interested in whatever ill-informed nonsense/propaganda you are going to say on the subject :)

alpine-frolic
10-03-2008, 04:03 PM
I think that Russia has very good relations with almost all European countries, except God's Garden and maybe Denmark, my lovely Denmark!!! which fell a victim of God's Garns"s intriques with Zakaev.
I consider Italia, France, Germany, Finland, Norway, Sweden our good partners in business. Heads of these countries are good personal friends of Putin. ....

About France there is nothing to be proud being the friend of our LIDER. At least Zarkossi has a friend ...