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Ilona
11-09-2010, 01:53 PM
The Sunday sermon of Pope Benedict XVI in Spain, in which he denounced same-sex marriage, abortions and condemned the countries that legalized interruption of pregnancy, triggered serious concerns with feminist movements. Do all feminists advocate the rights of a woman to terminate her pregnancy? Can feminism be Christian and can it be compatible with traditional family values?
Christianity and feminism are stereotyped as two absolutely different things that can in no way be connected. Patriarchal families, bearded men and humble women in kerchiefs do not mix with gays, lesbians and feminists with their eternal struggle for abortion, childfree and other issues, which many still consider unconventional and even abnormal.

As a matter of fact, secular and anticlerical feminism starts to look stranger in the modern Western world, whereas Christian female movements deal with the solution of real issues.

The field of activity for modern-day feminists is not that large today as it was decades ago. Fighting for rights for education? Does anyone deny women this right today? Equal salaries for equal work? Women can be just as successful as men or even much more successful than men today.

As long as there are no serious goals and tasks for the feminist movement, the activity of the movement turns into pseudo-activity slowly but surely. There is an impression that feminists spend whole days analyzing the speeches of politicians and other outstanding public figures in an attempt to find vestiges of sexism and gender-related stereotypes like "washing dishes after meal is not what men do."

At times, feminism can take absurd forms: feminists advocate women's rights to appear topless in public in hot weather, just like men do, or to urinate standing up, just like men do.

Catholic or Orthodox women come across much more real and more important problems in their everyday lives, which they have to solve. It is an open secret that the Church views a man as the head of a family and its breadwinner, not to mention the fact that it considers abortion as infanticide and even condemns non-abortive contraception.

No one gives one clear answer to the question of how families with many children could be compatible with modern economic models. People have to look for answers themselves.

Ilona
11-09-2010, 01:54 PM
If a non-religious woman chooses late marriage, contraception and abortion (in case contraception proves to be unreliable), a Christian woman starts to look for other solutions to her social problems excluding any thoughts about killing her baby. It is impossible for modern women not to work. If she gets pregnant and refuses to make an abortion, then she has to find a way out of the situation, in which she could combine her career and maternity.

That is exactly why Catholic and Protestant female movements in the West have succeeded so much in their struggle for social allowances, day-care centers and many other things that help mothers be working mothers.

One of the key ideas of Catholic feminism is to help women find balance between family and work. Female movements advocate equal rights for working women, and they also want men to become actively involved in the work about the house and childcare.

Many Christians believe that women's opportunity to have legal abortions is not a right, but rightlessness. According to Christian feminists, abortion advocates lay responsibility for the new human life entirely on women, while men and the society in general seem to stay away from the problem. If abortions are allowed, it means that pregnancy is a problem of women only.

Olga Gumanova

zforz
11-09-2010, 09:09 PM
read "maria magdalena " the whore of jesus by frediskson a notorius scandanevian feminist....verry interesting book.

saprosky
11-10-2010, 09:02 AM
All we know that this man and his church is out of this world.

He likes to provoke. In the plane before arrive he did it. Comparing Spain with 80 years ago when we were a Republic before dictatorship.

But Barcelona replied him with protests from feminists and gays, and with banners in the window "Take care with children", you know this guys are dangerous when children around :laugh1:

The catholic church need a change, A deep change. And this guy only is doing worse every time.

Soulmate-Africa
11-10-2010, 09:46 AM
All we know that this man and his church is out of this world.

He likes to provoke. In the plane before arrive he did it. Comparing Spain with 80 years ago when we were a Republic before dictatorship.

But Barcelona replied him with protests from feminists and gays, and with banners in the window "Take care with children", you know this guys are dangerous when children around :laugh1:

The catholic church need a change, A deep change. And this guy only is doing worse every time.

Just n question does the Catholic Church need to change or the Bible?

yankee
11-10-2010, 12:20 PM
Just n question does the Catholic Church need to change or the Bible?

You didn't read what he wrote? Read it again and then answer your question for him!

zforz
11-10-2010, 01:29 PM
In find the bible you find the worst and the best.

zorro

Gabber
11-10-2010, 01:49 PM
Just n question does the Catholic Church need to change or the Bible?

actually, that is a good question and I would say both but to change the bible would seem rather radical and counterproductive

yankee
11-10-2010, 02:12 PM
Correct me if I am wrong but the "Church" compiled what we know of as the Bible. The Church as we know it would never admit that something was missing or should be removed from the Bible. So my suggestion is that the Church might need a little changing.

bryangriffiths
11-10-2010, 03:12 PM
many things have been taken out of the bible but ya have to go back to Constantine and the first ecumenical councils to know what they were

saprosky
11-10-2010, 03:48 PM
You didn't read what he wrote? Read it again and then answer your question for him!

Thats truth. They read it for its own interests, maybe like all religions, but its actual position about contraception, abort, family, ... is prehistoric.

These days, when Pope was here, in spanish TV channels show many opinions about his visit and the catholic church in general, and the most interesting for me was a nun, living and working in Africa, scandalized with the position of the catholic church against condoms. She asked to Pope how to stop AIDS in Africa. A simple question.

yankee
11-10-2010, 04:06 PM
Thats truth. They read it for its own interests, maybe like all religions, but its actual position about contraception, abort, family, ... is prehistoric.

These days, when Pope was here, in spanish TV channels show many opinions about his visit and the catholic church in general, and the most interesting for me was a nun, living and working in Africa, scandalized with the position of the catholic church against condoms. She asked to Pope how to stop AIDS in Africa. A simple question.

A simple answer from him would be abstinence. Then he would say, “don’t worry the problem will die out after time”.

Soulmate-Africa
11-11-2010, 11:40 AM
Thats truth. They read it for its own interests, maybe like all religions, but its actual position about contraception, abort, family, ... is prehistoric.

These days, when Pope was here, in spanish TV channels show many opinions about his visit and the catholic church in general, and the most interesting for me was a nun, living and working in Africa, scandalized with the position of the catholic church against condoms. She asked to Pope how to stop AIDS in Africa. A simple question.
A simple answer, maybe sex should wait untill they are married if this does not work they can try to bunny just 1 girl or guy:laugh1::biggrin: