New trends in the City's anti-Russian strategy

[Neilikka]

On 21 August 2008, London's Financial Times, the Bible of the City's capitalists, published the article "The oligarchs could be Russia's best bet", signed by Chrystia Freeland, one of the regular staff members of the journal. In her article, Ms Freeland, considering the failure of the American plan for South Ossetia, and the resulting strengthening of the Russian position in the Caucasian region, calls for a readjustment of the imperial strategy for Russia.
The article is no more than a series of the calumnies and insults that certain hired brains are trying to consolidate in the public opinion, nothing really new. The central idea, as the good old Goebbels' manuals preached, is to invert the reality in order to make the aggressor the victim, and the victim the aggressor. A Harry Potter-like fantasy is then made up by Ms. Freeland's magic wand: "The war with democratic Georgia has created a new, sharp consensus about Mr. Putin's neo-authoritarian regime" she says. Ms Freeland knows that money readers will believe anything as long as they are scared enough. If they got to believe that Iraq is a democracy, why shouldn't they believe that Georgia is another one? And further she repeats the offense saying that: "Russian leaders have bitten into their new role as the world's tough guys with relish". Ms. Freeland would obviously prefer that more reasonable Russians let her employers sack the country's wealth, bring its people to slavery, and thank them for that. Of course, no mention to the 2.000 civilians dead under the very democratic Georgian artillery.

The American fiasco in South-Ossetia has strongly endangered the Anglo-Saxon oil trust plans for the Caspian region by questioning the viability of the strategic Baku-Tbilisi-Ceyhan pipeline. The flow was even interrupted during the conflict, causing to the International ruling consortium a loss of a billion dollars. Sure enough, the pipeline is now overexposed to probable Ossetian sabotage retaliation, in response for Georgian mass murder. The Azerbaijan's government is seriously considering an alternative route for its oil. Furthermore, Georgia was long considered to be the ideal base for the long awaited Israeli air strike on Iran. Now that ventriloquist Condoleezza Rice has to find another puppet as Saakashvili is a political corpse, this option seems excluded.

These are the kind of news that Ms. Freeland's employers cannot cope with. They don't like to share a crumb of the pie. Now, a mountain of money is at stake here. Somebody could pump the Caspian oil without their permission till they look and turn their thumbs in the club. And the worst is that they don't know how to make these bloody Russians get down to business. British Petroleum tried for years to help them pump their oil in regular joint venture terms! What's the problem with them? These KGB cryptocommunists want ALL their oil for them !!! That's intolerably selfish !!! There must be something we can do!
This seems to be Ms. Freeland's employers main concern. The Russian energy resources are so big a stake that it cannot simply be left behind. She answers to this anguishing dilemma by proposing to use the Russian oligarchs as a Trojan horse of Western interests inside the country. In Ms. Freeland own words: "business is the most progressive force with any remaining power in Russia today. The oligarchs are crony capitalists, but they are global ones, too. Western capital markets, western consumers, western acquisitions and even western MBAs have all become an essential part of the way they do business. That gives them a powerful vested interest in maintaining good relations with the west that the politburo never had, and that the siloviki do not fully share". And further "For Russia's magnates, the end of Soviet rule was a winning ticket in the world's richest lottery, granting them money, power and international prestige".

Subsequently Ms. Freeland's modestly proposes the next: "The west must, of course, be determined in using the few formal tools it has for hemming in a resurgent Russia, particularly denying it membership of the World Trade Organisation and stepping up support for vulnerable neighbours such as Ukraine. But why not take a page from the Kremlin's own unconventional and deviously brilliant play-book? Mr Putin, as we have seen, is not squeamish about direct confrontations, but sometimes Moscow finds it more convenient to harass the countries, companies and non government organisations on its blacklist with the subtler tools of denied visas and zealous tax inspectors – you could call it the TNK-BP technique, in honour of BP's recent Russian joint venture travails. With their lavish foreign holiday homes, healthy foreign bank accounts and appetite for buying foreign assets, Russia's tycoons are vulnerable to the same pin-pricks".

In short, to stop selling them Western trinkets in exchange of gold, kicking them out of the clubs, ending the Chelsean era, with the hope that the desperate Russian millionaires will focus their anger on Mr. Putin. Such a cartoonist must have stopped her brain clock in the nineties, when the City's pirates thought that the Russian sack was going to last for ever. The long hated adversary, the nightmare of capitalists finally on its knees, bargaining mines, land and factories for peanuts. They were the one stimulating anarchy, directly sponsoring key members of the security elite to break up the country through corruption.
Ms Freeland's recipe is an old one. The golden age of leather suitcases ended a long time ago. After the Ossetia fiasco, the embedded media mercenaries have felt the need to justify their wages and benefits to their masters, as a dog intuitively feeling to be soon abandoned. Her recommendations are naive and useless but they let us see what the real ideology of the City's bandits is: elitism, club spirit, greed for money, organised crime, class hatred and bewilderment for resistance to their domination. Ms. Freeland has for years been in charge of the Financial Times' "View from the top" magazine. She has personally met some of the main decision makers of the financial Olympus. She knows what they are up to. She also knows what they want to hear.

The point is not to discuss about the accuracy of Ms. Freeland's analysis but to confirm, once again, that the engine, the origin of the imperialist western expansion is the market, that the market values are just about money, that the appetite for the Russian pie is stronger than ever, that concerning the explosion of the subprime financial bubble, they have no choice but escalation. Finally, their position is weaker than ever, with growing pains at home, and the whole media propaganda lies factory trumbling down.

Charles Thompson

Pravda.ru :peep:

[beezneesman]

All that is pre-supposing that there ever was an 'American Plan for South Ossetia' which seems highly unlikely given the dire state of the Georgian military.

While I'm no great fan of the septics. This article is strictly for the tinfoil hat brigade.

[Hoopy]

Bella that is a lot of nonsense.....the American plan for S.Ossetia??????

[Gabbibo]

is witten right whole media propaganda lies factory


I do not know what kind og business will want to have with Russia other countries, but countries much of the former FSU have turned a back to "powerful" power. Today i read on Russian sites as Armenia and Azerbadjan wish to leave the FSU

[Neilikka]

It's a very strange statement,Cinty. How can anybody want to leave something which is already"former"? Do they prefer to become extinct?

[Gabbibo]

It's a very strange statement,Cinty. How can anybody want to leave something which is already"former"? Do they prefer to become extinct?



extinct or not but after 8 August smels very bad in Kaukaz

for me was strange to see how armenian president talks with turkish about football

but in reality he was talking about new economy ways
because of Georgia"s conflict Armenia and Azerbadjan lost a lot of money, also they want to keep their oil

[alenika]

Bella that is a lot of nonsense.....the American plan for S.Ossetia?????? Why nonsense? This is the first what local people thought.
btw see first reactions of former socialist countries and western countries? Everyone thinks they are saints and are ready to blame another in all sins.

[Gabbibo]

Why nonsense? This is the first what local people thought.
btw see first reactions of former socialist countries and western countries? Everyone thinks they are saints and are ready to blame another in all sins.

mda...the case from MD is unique
no USA is interested of this land
only Russia

[Neilikka]

Cinty, do you know that Russia is already the largest country in the world?

[IamKeenan]

Cinty, do you know that Russia is already the largest country in the world?

That is only if you include the Mafia owned States:lol:

[Lucky]

Cinty, do you know that Russia is already the largest country in the world?

Marina, even the world is not enough... do u really think the power... money or teritory can be enough... and i think the more country is the more power it wants...

sorry for my 5 cents... dont want to be wrong about what subject is was... but isnt it u who told once to Paul.... that thats why he will never have more coz he told one was enough for him... sorry again if im wrong it was u who told this... but seems to me yes...
so what is the differance if its a car or teritory...
people always wants more... the more we have the more we want...

[Gabbibo]

Cinty, do you know that Russia is already the largest country in the world?

mda....Bella, we have geography too in Moldova:becky:

should i look at Abhasia and SOssetia like a russian land?
never !:yo:

dont scarry me with a big country
i know also how many people live in Russia, there are a loooooooot of nationality


till Russia is so proud of herself, China is not sleapping, they make very silent steps
this scared me and not people who cry to all world WE ARE STRONGER!!!!!!

[beezneesman]

The whole title of this thread is weird - given that British investors represent the largest single national bloc of investors who have been putting money into Russia, how does that become an 'anti-Russian strategy'?

I guess anything is possible in the feverish, paranoid minds of Pravda's journalists ;)

[Lucker]

The only major work in SO was smuggling including drugs .
Not even the Russians really want the place , except as an access point for their next invasion .

[kentuckydan]

It's a very strange statement,Cinty. How can anybody want to leave something which is already"former"? Do they prefer to become extinct?

Yes they probably wish to leave the CIS not the FSU

[kentuckydan]

mda...the case from MD is unique
no USA is interested of this land
only Russia

Do you have Russian Peacekeepers in a break away province?

If so I feel for you.

[Hoopy]

Do you have Russian Peacekeepers in a break away province?

If so I feel for you.
Dan it's Transnistria.
Transnistria (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transnistria)

[Lucker]

The overall analysis is hardly of a standard that requires much comment .
What needs to be underlined is Russia's total complicity in the system or disease --- depending which political flag you wish to fly .
Unfortunately for Russian people , because the underlying industrial infrastructure is so flimsy and because Gazprom HQ misjudged the effects of their invasion of South Ossetia , Abkhazia and Georgia , the world trusts them less than ever and insufficiently to be beholden to them , wherever possible .
Which is why Russian markets have fallen more than anywhere else -- please note Random .
As a result , Russian Oligarchs are in deep shite .Even Oleg Deripaska , the world's reputed richest man is judged to be in trouble . Alexander Lebdev who owns 30% of Aeroflot and is another dubious banking magnate has lost two thirds of his paper wealth in the last month .
Moscow is deserted in its clubs and night time haunts and times are already hard .
Through circumstances , this is exactly in line with my main thrust for dragging Russia to a Rule Of Law --- bring down the Oligarchs .
You don't have to go to war with 140 million people when you can strangle the whole country by bringing two or three dozen to their knees .

[pouffe]

Marina, even the world is not enough... do u really think the power... money or teritory can be enough... and i think the more country is the more power it wants...

sorry for my 5 cents... dont want to be wrong about what subject is was... but isnt it u who told once to Paul.... that thats why he will never have more coz he told one was enough for him... sorry again if im wrong it was u who told this... but seems to me yes...
so what is the differance if its a car or teritory...
people always wants more... the more we have the more we want...

I don't want allways more.

[Lucky]

I don't want allways more.


of coz u dont.... and i dont want more ALWAYS... just in some cases :rolleyes:

but u are not in a power of such a big country... and i was talking here about all countries who are bigger... u cant know how much ud wanted with a power and money of a president;) cant u?;) and do u really believe if a country is so big and powerful it doesnt need more power?
its all about POWER... MONEY... TERITORY... in EACH country...

[Lucker]

power?
its all about POWER... MONEY... TERITORY... in EACH country...[/B][/COLOR][/SIZE][/FONT][/QUOTE]

Except Team GB
We have been through this cycle .
We are reborn and multicultural. If you want wisdom , diplomacy . kindness and care --- fly to London.
Team GB --- innovators living in a bright , glowing culture .
God's Garden , in fact .

[huney]

Except Team GB
We have been through this cycle .
We are reborn and multicultural. If you want wisdom , diplomacy . kindness and care --- fly to London.
Team GB --- innovators living in a bright , glowing culture .
God's Garden , in fact .

Begs the question...Is God's compost heap called "Scotland"?

[Lucker]

A dangerous one to answer . Compost can help its host grow and flourish .

But your use of the word "beg" is precise . Everywhere you go , one runs the risk of tripping over some drunken Scotty soul begging for a few pennies to help Bonny Prince Charlie .
Yes , they are all effing Charlies -- more like dog poo than compost .

[beezneesman]

Dan it's Transnistria.
Transnistria (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transnistria)


The problem the Russians would have with intervening in Transnistria if they chose to try it is that they would have to transit across a lot of Ukrainian territory and airspace to get there. It's a bit more of a problem for them than Kharzi or Posset

[Gabbibo]

The problem the Russians would have with intervening in Transnistria if they chose to try it is that they would have to transit across a lot of Ukrainian territory and airspace to get there.

right !!!!!!! this is why russia keeps their "peacekeepers"

[Lucker]

I have received information that we are wrongly accusing Russians of lying about their Peacekeepers .
It seems there has been a translation error and that the Russians have been referring to Bee Keepers .
It also seems their Monitors and Volunteers are all ex University Graduates in Pest Control .

[Hoopy]

The problem the Russians would have with intervening in Transnistria if they chose to try it is that they would have to transit across a lot of Ukrainian territory and airspace to get there. It's a bit more of a problem for them than Kharzi or Posset
As far as I know they have the 14th army there as "peacekeepers".

[Lucker]

Be careful Hoppy .
Moddy might be watching .
You meant the 14 th Army of Bee Keepers . Russia's little Honey Boys .

[Hoopy]

Well I think Moldovians Just call them the Russian b's for short. :lol:

[Lucker]

We will compromise -- Honey Bastards .
or , as they say in Moldovian cafes , " Pass the HB sauce"

[beezneesman]

As far as I know they have the 14th army there as "peacekeepers".

Yeah I know but they would have a problem reinforcing them. I'm not sure how many troops an 'Army' is these days. IIRC it used to be the equivalent of a NATO corps but somehow I don't think Russia really has that many troops inside a small enclave like Transnistria.

[huney]

As a result , Russian Oligarchs are in deep shite .Even Oleg Deripaska , the world's reputed richest man is judged to be in trouble . Alexander Lebdev who owns 30% of Aeroflot and is another dubious banking magnate has lost two thirds of his paper wealth in the last month.

Update on Deripaska...He has forfeited to his creditors his $1.4b stake in Canada's automotive supplier Magna International while his assistants are franticly working the spin mills.

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB122303732369702041.html?mod=MKTW&ru=MKTW



In recent years, Russia's biggest companies and banks had grown dependent on low-cost funding from overseas, running up almost $500 billion in foreign debt.

"These guys are leveraged in every place they can be leveraged," said one senior Western banker, referring to Russia's wealthiest men. Many used their equity stakes as collateral for loans. As the value of those stakes has dropped with the market plunge, creditors have demanded more cash or equity. New loans have become much harder to get.

Usually, these sensitive financial difficulties remain confidential. But when the deals go bad, they can become public, as in Mr. Deripaska's case.

With the Kremlin actively encouraging Russia's tycoons to expand overseas, Mr. Deripaska, who owns a major auto company in Russia, announced a strategic partnership with Magna International in Sept. 2007. He paid $1.4 billion for a 20% stake in the auto-parts maker, pledging the shares as collateral for loans that helped pay for the deal.

[dzerassa]

..the American plan for S.Ossetia??????


Ah of course no any plans. not even for georgia

[dzerassa]

extinct or not but after 8 August smels very bad in Kaukaz

for me was strange to see how armenian president talks with turkish about football

but in reality he was talking about new economy ways
because of Georgia"s conflict Armenia and Azerbadjan lost a lot of money, also they want to keep their oil

whatever the armenian president talked with the turkish one, he can't do more than the population of his country wants. and they r very nehative towards turkey and definately much more leans to russia.

[dzerassa]

mda...the case from MD is unique
no USA is interested of this land
only Russia

diana, how come u know where usa is interested in and where not? svoi chelovek in narrow corridors of american establishment?

[dzerassa]

That is only if you include the Mafia owned States:lol:

we don't need any of american states

[dzerassa]

Marina, even the world is not enough... do u really think the power... money or teritory can be enough... and i think the more country is the more power it wants...

.

100% agree

[dzerassa]

mda....Bella, we have geography too in Moldova:becky:

should i look at Abhasia and SOssetia like a russian land?
never !:yo:

dont scarry me with a big country
i know also how many people live in Russia, there are a loooooooot of nationality


till Russia is so proud of herself, China is not sleapping, they make very silent steps
this scared me and not people who cry to all world WE ARE STRONGER!!!!!!

diana, don't worry, nobody makes u look at abhazia and south ossetia as russian land. they r independent like for example moldova is independent from russia since recent times.

[dzerassa]

I guess anything is possible in the feverish, paranoid minds of Pravda's journalists ;)

u still keep to the same beleifs? i thought u became a communist already

[dzerassa]

The only major work in SO was smuggling including drugs .
.

how much u bought of it there to make such statements? or sold maybe?

[dzerassa]

Do you have Russian Peacekeepers in a break away province?

If so I feel for you.

u can help them, just like u did in iraq and afganistan.
many civilians r still alive there after these countries were occupied? by the way it is afganistan which is the main source of drugs now in the region and this is after it was occupied by nato, but of course u will say it is talibans who were making business on it

[Lucker]

Jurassic
I gather Russian agricultural policy in South Ossetia includes planting Ecstasy Trees in many low level mountain areas .
Is this a good example to your NATO partners -- present and future ?

[dzerassa]

Jurassic
I gather Russian agricultural policy in South Ossetia includes planting Ecstasy Trees in many low level mountain areas .


ramon, dear, those trees r grown in the region from old times, when russia didn't even know of ossetians, all its thought were in tatars.
by the way, the trees were imported from england and as usual the english managed to sell third quality goods for the highest price. the trees give just 1 harvest per year against 10 promised. beezneezmen!!!
:)

[dzerassa]

New song by glukoza. "Dance russia"

It has words "dance russia and cry europe" What would it mean ? :)

OH5_x15OtRE

[Gabbibo]

diana, don't worry, nobody makes u look at abhazia and south ossetia as russian land. they r independent like for example moldova is independent from russia since recent times.



Nonna, dont compare Moldova with SOssetia


we have another status, the same like russia, ukraina...........
i vashe, ne nagleite

[dzerassa]

Nonna, dont compare Moldova with SOssetia

i vashe, ne nagleite

we are not russian, we are moldavian, we are a part of RO

"ne nagleite" was for me???

why not compare? u r moldavian, u r part of RO, fine. though as i know these r two different countries for the time being still up to u.

but we r ossetians and north ossetia is part of russia, south ossetia is independent.

what was offensive? u decided to live separately from russia we decided to live separately from georgia

[Lucker]

It has words "dance russia and cry europe" What would it mean ? :)



It is when we fight again in Crimea --- we will be shooting at your feet , forcing you to dance and shout out , "we are Europeans , we love you Europeans"
I am signing up for Special Services , so watch the space .

[dzerassa]

It has words "dance russia and cry europe" What would it mean ? :)



It is when we fight again in Crimea --- we will be shooting at your feet , forcing you to dance and shout out , "we are Europeans , we love you Europeans"
I am signing up for Special Services , so watch the space .

"we fignt AGAIN in crimea" ??? "again" u mean that recently in south ossetia russia was fighting not only with the georgians but with so called europeans as well?

[dzerassa]

little "helo" from kuban kozaks :)

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[Gabbibo]

"what was offensive? u decided to live separately from russia we decided to live separately from georgia



Nonna, now my family have a guest, a couple who lived in Georgia till 95
of course we were discussing about the relation between russian and georgian
she said georgian are proud that they are an old nation, they dont like to be leaded by anybody, but they dont discriminate people, there are many russian and ossetian who live in georgia, they live very friendly, they said how crazy was Gamsahurdy, and how much they respect Saakashvili
but they will not accept russian control

just wrote their words



ok, back to our theme,
live with whom you want, is ur right, u can have an russian passport, to be proud of this, for me doesnt matter what is ur nationality or the color of ur passport, i will be glad to be ur friend

but i and moldavians, we like the freedom, we would not accept a domination:cool:

[Gabbibo]

Nonna, also i dont like your ugly avatar

the kiss avatar was better:becky:


yea, the ussr time will not come back:)

[dzerassa]

Nonna, now my family have a guest, a couple who lived in Georgia till 95
of course we were discussing about the relation between russian and georgian
she said georgian are proud that they are an old nation, they dont like to be leaded by anybody, but they dont discriminate people, there are many russian and ossetian who live in georgia, they live very friendly, they said how crazy was Gamsahurdy, and how much they respect Saakashvili
but they will not accept russian control

just wrote their words



diana, here r my words to your georgian friends.
georagians r old nation, true. so r abhazians and ossetians. georgia doesn't want to be leaded, let not try to lead others.

they don't accept russian control? fine. pity they forgot that they exist as old proud nation thanks to russia which saved them from their enemies and from the internal fights between different georgian lands. they now remembered they r proud and don't want to be leadered but there was time when their tsar was pleading russia to save georgia

please let them not talk about discrimination. i know perfectly well all about it and i have already said how many times it was and how many refugees fled in north ossetia in 1990-ies.

it is itrue that ossetians live in georgia and i told u many times that mainly they r ossetians by roots only. for example i know a girl, ossetian from georgia, they run in 1990-1991. her uncle stayed there 'cause he is married to georgian, his sons married to georgians, his grandons go to georgian schools and all his family is georgian. usually such people have changed their surnames into georgian way, they speak georgian, they follow georgian culture and many of such people outside of georgia, for example in russia, present themselves as georgians not ossetians.

gamshurdia was crazy but u should have listened to those georgians who supported him he was supported by almost 100% of the population. we had georgian students here, all of them were just screaming "zviadi, zviadi". they all were loving him though he had clear nationalist ideas. and by the way he is much respected by saakashvili who your frien respect so much.

anyway i don't care about egorgia. south ossetia and abhazia r independent. georgia can do with saakashvili or ssaakashvili with gejrgia whatever they want. just stay away from abhazia and ossetia.

[Gabbibo]

New song by glukoza. "Dance russia"

It has words "dance russia and cry europe" What would it mean ? :)

OH5_x15OtRE


it mean an ass, Nonna:lol:
in german is smthng the same, "i have the most beauty ass"

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[dzerassa]

Nonna, also i dont like your ugly avatar

the kiss avatar was better:becky:


yea, the ussr time will not come back:)

come on diana, how many people r killed by hemp which is on your avatar

[Gabbibo]

Nonna, my friends lived in Georgia, but they are not georgian, they said me what saw their eyes
about Gamsahurdy they said not all people accepted him

if u saw a student who cryes the words of their president......:lol:
Nonna, i was a student too, and i remember how some political parties tryed to influence poor students

[Gabbibo]

come on diana, how many people r killed by hemp which is on your avatar

because they took too much
but if u take only few leaves, u can be happy:lol:


from this ->one conclusion, marihuanna is happines:becky:

[dzerassa]

Nonna, my friends lived in Georgia, but they are not georgian, they said me what saw their eyes
about Gamsahurdy they said not all people accepted him

if u saw a student who cryes the words of their president......:lol:
Nonna, i was a student too, and i remember how some political parties tryed to influence poor students


no dear i insist that when gamsahurdia just came in late 1980-ies he was supported by all georgia, later just he came to confrontation with his former allies and many people stopped liking him. later.

[dzerassa]

Nonna, my friends lived in Georgia, but they are not georgian, they said me what saw their eyes
about Gamsahurdy they said not all people accepted him

if u saw a student who cryes the words of their president......:lol:
Nonna, i was a student too, and i remember how some political parties tryed to influence poor students

annd they all supportde his words about "clean georgian nation", etc. i know for sure how many ossetians were forced to leave, how some were killed, how all it was

[Lucker]

Jurassic ,
In fairness , if all Ossetians were like you , I would have ethically cleansed the lot of you
ROFL
QED Georgians are far from stupid
ROFL again

[dzerassa]

Jurassic ,
In fairness , if all Ossetians were like you , I would have ethically cleansed the lot of you
ROFL



Romashka, i told u already that u your biggest fans r in south ossetia but u r also very much welcomed in north ossetia. u know that all geese in ossetia r now having names, guess what names. :)

besides, our businessmen in textile industry prepared thousand of purple trousers for u and looking forward to give them to u as an award for vainless attempts to justify genocide of ossetian population. they r very generous, they have sent already ties for saakashvili, u r next in their list :yo:

[Lucker]

My guess is that you live in Moscow but haven't been back home for a long time .
Regardless , can someone like me get into South Ossetia and does it require an extra Passport .
Presumably , prior to the Russian invasion you could get in on a Georgian visa . Now , I imagine , this might be technically still correct but one would not get past the Russian peace keepers ( smile) Posts .
How would I get there on holiday -- if at all possible ?
a) entering from Russia -- North Ossetia
b) from Tiblisi
I am serious

[dzerassa]

My guess is that you live in Moscow but haven't been back home for a long time .
Regardless , can someone like me get into South Ossetia and does it require an extra Passport .
Presumably , prior to the Russian invasion you could get in on a Georgian visa . Now , I imagine , this might be technically still correct but one would not get past the Russian peace keepers ( smile) Posts .
How would I get there on holiday -- if at all possible ?
a) entering from Russia -- North Ossetia
b) from Tiblisi
I am serious

i live in vladi.

from tbilisi definately - no, from north ossetia u can get in only through relevant offical authorities. just having russian visa is not enough.