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Lucky
09-30-2008, 10:25 AM
Ive read a book today and this phraze took my attention and made me think... it seems very intersting to me... just look at it... its written without any comma in it... and the meaning of it depends on where we will put a comma... so we will get phraze with two different meanings:
1. to dream, impossible to built...
2. to dream imposible, to built...
There are couples who think their relations are perfect. There are couples who dream about perfect relations. But also there are couples who built perfect relations.
The dream of a human is to meet theirs ideal and get perfect relations... pity but this is just illusion. I think that any relations are in endless movement to the perfection, in a process of permanent change and development.

It would be interesting to got to know where would u put a comma and what do u think on this subject...:yo:

Any thoughts to share?

Lucker
09-30-2008, 10:45 AM
Licky , Forgive my nit picking but I suspect "built" should be "build" .
Far more important , the spelling is " phrase" . The variation you use is American , vulgar and unpleasant to the eye . Don't copy the disabled of this world .

But to answer your question .
If the phrase( !! ) was , " to dream impossible to build ideas ..... " , I would put the comma after ideas and reckon to continue along the lines of , " for it is these which are the real driving force , and set goals and ambitions which are perhaps optimistic but never absurd "

Lucky
09-30-2008, 12:01 PM
It was translation from Russian into english. Very difficult to translate to keep the meaning...
This is another version, I hope it is more exact:

To dream not to build

and comma can be put either before or after "not" changing meaning to opposite.

Voobrazheniye
09-30-2008, 12:19 PM
Licky , Forgive my nit picking but I suspect "built" should be "build" .
Far more important , the spelling is " phrase" . The variation you use is American , vulgar and unpleasant to the eye . Don't copy the disabled of this world .

But to answer your question .
If the phrase( !! ) was , " to dream impossible to build ideas ..... " , I would put the comma after ideas and reckon to continue along the lines of , " for it is these which are the real driving force , and set goals and ambitions which are perhaps optimistic but never absurd "

For the undereducated, the American spelling is also "phrase," just as it is in the tired, old British version of the language.

Voobrazheniye
09-30-2008, 12:22 PM
It was translation from Russian into english. Very difficult to translate to keep the meaning...
This is another version, I hope it is more exact:

To dream not to build

and comma can be put either before or after "not" changing meaning to opposite.

Ivanka, please be very careful about taking advice on proper use of the comma from the British, many of whom place spaces before the comma as if they have no idea to which part of the sentence it really belongs. :p

Voobrazheniye
09-30-2008, 12:26 PM
But the real point is whether:

1. A dream is impossible to build.

-- or --

2. Dream the "impossible" and then build it.


Being a dreamer, and believing that we CAN make dreams come true (provided it does not involve the U.S. Congress), I subscribe to the latter. :)

fbibob
09-30-2008, 01:03 PM
How about introducing a semi-colon. As in

To dream, impossible; to build.......

Lucky
09-30-2008, 05:02 PM
well lets take a look at the phrase "to dream not to build"...
in first case we get "to dream, not to build"...
what we have here? a dream... dream about all... dream about our life... about ideal relations, about the best place for us in this world, about ideals how to live, ideals about our personalities...
ok... we got a dream... but what after? what do we do with it? of coz its important to have a dream at all...who we are without it... without any goals... where we have to move to when no reason for movement... but does this mean when we got a dream or maybe better to say a goal, or some aim where we want to move to... does this mean all we have to do is just sit and wait when it will come true? what is a dream without movement... without taking steps to build it... to make it come true?
and second case - "to dream not, to build" - sounds like we shouldnt dream as dreams always are supposed to mean smth unattainable... and often people who likes to dream are told to get off "pink glasses"... but how to build? what to build if u dont have a dream...
a goal...any aim... call it whatever u want...

to be frankly... i dont know where id put a comma... as i agree that we SHOULD and HAVE to dream... we need it for our movement and developing... but i also realize we cant just dream and not to build... and of coz to build smth we have to know what and how... even when people are going to build a building they get first a dream... a vision of it: the place where it will be, the colours of walls, architectonic plan and so on... and only then they are ready to do steps... and if they beging to build a building without architactonic plan they will lose i think...
so... the best conclusion here... as for me are Pauls words - "to dream the "impossible" and then build it...

alpine-frolic
09-30-2008, 05:32 PM
So you propose to delete all comas and replace them by "and". Going to try...

Lucky
09-30-2008, 06:26 PM
So you propose to delete all comas and replace them by "and". Going to try...

:lol::lol::lol::lol::lol: u make me laugh thanks :yo: like when people can still have a sence of humor even in serious discussions:becky:
hope it was meant to be with humor :sailaway:

Lucky
09-30-2008, 07:19 PM
So you propose to delete all comas and replace them by "and". Going to try...

yeh.. in this case its the best desision as for me to dream AND to build
or maybe left it as it is and let everybody chose whatever he/she wants...

alpine-frolic
09-30-2008, 07:31 PM
We are all trying to build (less or more) our dreams.

Lucky
09-30-2008, 07:47 PM
sure... for each of us dreams and aims are different... and different ways to reach them... what is important is to HAVE them... as i think they are the one power which makes us move...
lets make come true all humans desires... all wishes... but take aways a dream of the future... the vision of it... goal... aim... and u will see what an unhappy creature he/she will be!