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Voobrazheniye
09-26-2008, 05:58 PM
Somali Pirates Seize Ukrainian Ship with 33 Russian Tanks

MOSCOW (AP) — Russia's navy dispatched a warship to Somalia's coast, officials said Friday, a day after pirates there carried out their boldest attack yet — the capture of a Ukrainian vessel manned with Russian and Ukranian crew and loaded with 33 tanks and ammunition bound for Kenya.

Russian navy spokesman Capt. Igor Dygalo said in a statement that the frigate Neustrashimy left the Russia's Baltic port of Baltiisk on Wednesday. The statement did not specifically mention the seizure of the Ukrainian ship, which happened Thursday.

Dygalo did not answer calls that The Associated Press made to his cell phone later Friday.

Ukrainian Defense Minister Yury Yekhanurov, meanwhile, said that the ship, the Faina, was carrying 33 Russian T-72 tanks and a substantial quantity of ammunition and spare parts. Yekhanurov said the tanks were sold in accordance with international law, according to Larisa Mudrak, a spokeswoman for Ukrainian President Viktor Yushchenko.

U.S. ships in the area were aware of the seizure of the Ukranian ship and were "monitoring the situation," said Lt. Nate Christensen a spokesman for the U.S. Navy's 5th Fleet based in Bahrain.

"Obviously, we are deeply concerned," Christensen told The Associated Press. "We have ships in the area and we are monitoring the situation closely. Piracy is an international problem and it requires an international solution."

He was unable to provide more specifics because of the security issues involved, he said.

A Kenyan government spokesman, Alfred Mutua, confirmed that the East African nation's military had ordered the tanks and spare parts and said Kenya had made such a huge order of tanks as part of a two-year rearmament program for the military.

"We will do whatever it takes to secure the ship," Mutua told The Associated Press when asked whether Kenya will send a naval vessel to intercept the hijacked vessel.

He added that the cargo was insured, but "the responsibility of the insured cargo rests with the shipper."

A person who answered the phone at Ukrainian state-controlled arms dealer Ukrspetsexport, which brokered the sale, refused to comment about the Ukrainian vessel, and said all requests for information must be submitted in writing.

Ukrainian officials and an anti-piracy watchdog said 21 crew members were aboard the seized ship, and Ukraine's Foreign Ministry said the crew included three Russians.

Mikhail Voitenko, editor-in-chief of the journal "Naval Bulletin-Sovfrakht" said in televised comments that the ship sailed under a Belize flag and the operator is a Ukrainian company based in the Black Sea port of Odessa. Ukrainian news agencies identified the ship operator as a company called Tomex Team.

U.S. Defense Department spokesman Bryan Whitman said the U.S. was concerned about the attack and noted that the U.S. military has assisted foreign countries in previous instances of piracy.

"I think we're looking at the full range of options here," said Whitman. "A ship carrying cargo of that nature being hijacked off the coast of Somalia is something that should concern us, and it does concern us."

Roger Middleton, a researcher at London's Chatham House, said it was unlikely the pirates knew there were tanks aboard the Faina, and he said unloading the cargo would be very difficult.

"Most of their attacks are based on opportunity. So if they see something that looks attackable and looks captureable, they'll attack it," he told AP.

"I'm not sure how helpful such a high-profile cargo will be for them. It makes them much more vulnerable," he said. "I'd imagine they're quite worried."

Dygalo said Russia's navy would periodically send ships to piracy prone areas to protect Russian citizens and Russian ships. He said the frigate set sail on Wednesday "with the aim of providing for a naval presence in a number of oceans and sea regions."

According to the British-based Jane's Information Group, the Neustrashimy is armed with surface-to-air missiles, 100 mm guns and anti-submarine torpedoes.

Yushchenko, meanwhile, ordered unspecified measures to secure the release of the crew.

The hijacking brings the number of attacks off Somalia to 61 this year, and pirates are now holding 14 ships and more than 300 crew members, said Noel Choong, who heads the International Maritime Bureau's piracy reporting center based in Malaysia.

Middleton said it was unclear how the pirates might react if confronted by military action, noting that they have fled from authorities in the past. On the other hand, he said, they are usually well-armed and organized and are based in an unstable country — Somalia.

"It could potentially get pretty messy," he said.

Voobrazheniye
09-26-2008, 05:59 PM
I hope Putin doesn't blame Ukraine for "losing" 33 of his tanks. :eek:

Hoopy
09-26-2008, 06:03 PM
It wasn't the Somalians,it was Ramon.

IamKeenan
09-26-2008, 06:11 PM
I bet Putin was behind the attack!!!:lol::lol:

Gabbibo
09-26-2008, 06:19 PM
this is not the first case with pirates

and the gouvernment from Africa's country cant solve or fight with them


i dont understand why ukraine didnt send some help too:confused:
maybe because RADA must work excellent to join EU or NATO:confused:

beezneesman
09-26-2008, 06:19 PM
I bet Putin was behind the attack!!!:lol::lol:

No it was me - always wanted my own AFV to mess about with. How I miss my Warrior :-)

Lucker
09-26-2008, 06:19 PM
Think Kenya
Who would like his Dad to have 33 Tanks ?
Got it ?

beezneesman
09-26-2008, 07:23 PM
Maybe those tanks will turn up on eBay? :)

statajack
09-26-2008, 07:26 PM
I think the Somali pirates are more likely to turn up on ebay........... as a taxidermist's latest work.

IamKeenan
09-26-2008, 07:38 PM
I recently saw a show about just this type of thing with these Somali Pirates. They are a very brazen bunch but not they are not bad enough to stop a few 1000 50cal rounds to their Freaking head!!!:sniper::sniper::sniper::sniper::sniper::sn iper::sniper::sniper::sniper:

beezneesman
09-26-2008, 07:46 PM
I recently saw a show about just this type of thing with these Somali Pirates. They are a very brazen bunch but not they are not bad enough to stop a few 1000 50cal rounds to their Freaking head!!!:sniper::sniper::sniper::sniper::sniper::sn iper::sniper::sniper::sniper:

I don't think your .50cal will scare them very much if they are sitting inside a T72. It's a crap tank but it's not that crap.

RiverRock
09-26-2008, 09:25 PM
Think Kenya
Who would like his Dad to have 33 Tanks ?
Got it ?

Obama is good. He is not even president yet and he is masterminding everything that happens in the world. :)

brown-raider
09-26-2008, 09:48 PM
Warning:your message was just deleted by me and you posted it again.You have been warned several times about your racist jokes and postings.Moderator.

snow_flake
09-27-2008, 07:36 AM
I watched in news than a Danish warship take 13 of these somali pirates as prisoners. But no country in the close area wanted them - so the danish set them free.

kentuckydan
09-27-2008, 08:37 AM
I watched in news than a Danish warship take 13 of these somali pirates as prisoners. But no country in the close area wanted them - so the danish set them free.

May the International Accords governing piracy on the High Seas should be reinstated.

Those caught in the act, summarily executed.

saprosky
09-27-2008, 09:22 AM
As Far As I Know France and Spain sent frigates to this area to protect fisher boats. Last week Spain also sent a special plane to survey from air. Many fisherboats works in thi area and some problems happened in the past.

After last events in August and knowing the words of VeePee that any russian citizen will be protected by the army elsewhere, what will happens? Somalia will be invaded ? :confused:

zoroooo
09-27-2008, 01:34 PM
As Far As I Know France and Spain sent frigates to this area to protect fisher boats. Last week Spain also sent a special plane to survey from air. Many fisherboats works in thi area and some problems happened in the past.

After last events in August and knowing the words of VeePee that any russian citizen will be protected by the army elsewhere, what will happens? Somalia will be invaded ? :confused:

I hope they are not passing the blocade.. because reading this forum the could get the impression that with 33 tanks they could prety well arrive in brussels..I stand from now on the top of the hill.

:plane::plane::becky:

Sveta's Hero
09-27-2008, 01:41 PM
I hope they are not passing the blocade.. because reading this forum the could get the impression that with 33 tanks they could prety well arrive in brussels..I stand from now on the top of the hill.

:plane::plane::becky:


Do you have spare parts for changing the reverse gears to 4-speed?:becky::lol::p

beezneesman
09-27-2008, 01:41 PM
I hope they are not passing the blocade.. because reading this forum the could get the impression that with 33 tanks they could prety well arrive in brussels..I stand from now on the top of the hill.

:plane::plane::becky:

These are most likely 'export' models of the T72 which have probably not been modified for use in conditions like Somalia. If they get them off the boat they will probably seize up after a bit of use due to clogged filters, crap diesel etc.

beezneesman
09-27-2008, 01:43 PM
May the International Accords governing piracy on the High Seas should be reinstated.

Those caught in the act, summarily executed.

The French seem to have the right idea. In their recent rescue of the crew of a French yacht out there the rescue team parachuted into the sea at night, swam to the objective undetected, killed one pirate and spirited the other 6 way to France for trial. Good drills eh ;-)

Gabbibo
09-27-2008, 02:17 PM
A number of the military ships goes to region from the various countries, including a patrol ship of the Baltic fleet of Russia "Неустрашимый". However observers notice that their actions can lead to confusion as each ship will carry out the problems.

saprosky
09-27-2008, 02:19 PM
The French seem to have the right idea. In their recent rescue of the crew of a French yacht out there the rescue team parachuted into the sea at night, swam to the objective undetected, killed one pirate and spirited the other 6 way to France for trial. Good drills eh ;-)

French government did it much better than spanish governement that paid rescue for our the fisher boat.

kentuckydan
09-29-2008, 12:35 PM
I don't think your .50cal will scare them very much if they are sitting inside a T72. It's a crap tank but it's not that crap.

But it might come in handy if you are in a freighter being pursued by speedboats with RPGs.

What kind of idiots send an unprotected cargo vessel through waters known to be Pirate infested with those kinds of armaments on board?

dzerassa
09-29-2008, 12:49 PM
I hope Putin doesn't blame Ukraine for "losing" 33 of his tanks. :eek:

weer the tanks russian? r u sure? i heard they were sold by ukraine

huney
09-29-2008, 12:55 PM
But it might come in handy if you are in a freighter being pursued by speedboats with RPGs.

What kind of idiots send an unprotected cargo vessel through waters known to be Pirate infested with those kinds of armaments on board?

Perhaps they wanted the vessel to taken.

kentuckydan
09-29-2008, 01:01 PM
I think it's time to bring back

Letters of Marque and let merchant ships arm

kentuckydan
09-29-2008, 01:02 PM
weer the tanks russian? r u sure? i heard they were sold by ukraine

You are correct and Ukraine blew it.

They should have at least mounted some of the tanks on deck where they could have been used as gun turrets.

beezneesman
09-29-2008, 01:27 PM
You are correct and Ukraine blew it.

They should have at least mounted some of the tanks on deck where they could have been used as gun turrets.

You probably can't depress the guns in tank turrets enough for that :-) but yes I agree a few .50cals or those Russian Dashakas mounted on the ships rails would be good for putting holes in speedboats.