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Lucker
03-09-2010, 03:30 PM
A couple of days ago in the " Dumbest Sports" Topic , I reported three people falling together from the highest tower block in Glasgow .
I highlighted this otherwise " nothing " bit of news because of a tip off I had received from a Times freelance journalist .
Let's run with this story because it is much more likely to be a contract killing than an asylum unusual suicide . And the most likely murder source were Italian Mafia soldiers working for or with the FSB .
There is just a chance that this case will take off as the facts come to light and it could be as interesting as when an FSB elite unit murdered Litvinenko in London .






Three people who fell to their deaths from a Glasgow tower block on Sunday are believed to have been Russian nationals who had been trying to claim asylum in the UK from Canada.

A source close to the case said the three were a father, aged 43 and named Serykh, believed to be a former member of the Russian security services, a mother, and a son in his early 20s. The source said it was a highly unusual case.

The family are said to have been trying to claim asylum in the UK from Canada, which had reportedly given them leave to stay but had denied them citizenship. They are said to have first arrived in the UK in November 2007 and came to Glasgow in autumn last year.

The bodies were found at the foot of the 30-storey block in the Springburn area of north-east Glasgow on Sunday morning.

Strathclyde police have said they will not release the identities or nationalities of the deceased until next of kin have been traced and informed. The Home Office, meanwhile, has denied that there was any UK Borders Agency activity at the property on Sunday morning after claims by some living in the area that there may have been a raid on the flat prior to the incident.

The source said the family had been in Canada from November 2000 to November 2007 before travelling through Germany, the Netherlands and Ireland to the UK, where they initially lived in Brent in north London. The source said the family had made a series of wild claims about the Canadian government.

No one at the Canadian high commission was available for comment. Their case to stay in the UK had been rejected but the Home Office was not pursuing them immediately. Their financial support had been withdrawn and they had been asked to vacate their flat. They had also been told to approach the Scottish Refugee Council and other charities for emergency assistance.

Neighbours said the three had only moved into the flat in the Red Road complex two months ago. Carol Craig, 51, and Graham Galbraith, 38, who live in the flat next door, said they were woken by police on Sunday morning who told them that their immediate neighbours had fallen to their deaths. When the couple looked over their own balcony on the 15th floor of 63 Petershill Drive, they saw three bodies on the small patch of grass below.

"We last saw them on Saturday," said Craig. "They were out on the landing. I thought it was a family. It's been such a shock. I can't get it out of my head."

The Red Road towers, at one time the highest in Europe, have been a feature of Glasgow's skyline since the 1960s, but have fallen into disrepair and are due for demolition. In recent years, they have been used to house many refugees and asylum seekers from a variety of countries, including Kosovo, parts of Africa, Iraq and Afghanistan. Paint is peeling from the walls and the small balconies are protected only by plastic mesh. The block at Petershill Drive is currently leased to the YMCA. A spokesman for the organisation said they could not comment on the nationality of those who had died.

Today small groups of asylum seekers gathered at the spot where the three died. A single candle had been lit and pieces of paper laid out on the scarred and pitted patch of grass with the words: "Freedom, please believe us."

Seyed Ali Ghasemi, 28, from Iran, who lives in an adjoining tower, said he could understand the desperation that might drive someone to take their own life. Those seeking asylum only have each other for support, he says, and everyone is worried about their own situation.

He had looked out of his window on Sunday morning and had assumed that the figures he saw at the base of the opposite tower were sleeping rough, as he himself has done in the past.

"It is very, very sad. They are scared. They are just so fed up of everything. Maybe I'm in a bad situation and I do the same thing. I have not seen my son for two years. We are all scared and fed up," he said.

Ledia Tewelde, 22, from Eritrea, said that last year she had jumped from the window of her second floor flat in another part of Glasgow, after hearing loud noises at the door and fearing she was about to be deported. She said she broke both her ankles and injured her back.

"I was very, very scared. I thought there was somebody coming into the room and I just jumped. I didn't want to go back to my country. I have been four years in this country with nothing. They give me vouchers for my food. You come from a bad situation and you come here and you are scared. It is very stressful."

Robina Qureshi, director of Positive Action in Housing, a charity that works with refugees and asylum seekers, said it was time for an overhaul of the asylum process. "This case raises serious questions about the way the UK asylum system operates in this country. Members of the public have a right to know if we have a fair asylum system or one which terrorises vulnerable people to the point they would kill themselves.

"We believe the current asylum system is based on the false premise that all asylum seekers are bogus."

Lucker
03-09-2010, 03:43 PM
Definitely most interesting . One for Boris bomb Blogger .


ANALYSIS

BBC correspondent James Cook on the flat deaths family
"The claims being made about the Russian family who fell to their deaths in Glasgow are extraordinary.
"We've been told that the father, mother and adult son were seeking asylum from Canada which they had left after making bizarre claims about plots against them.
"The plots were said to involve senior politicians and the use of psychotropic weapons to alter their minds.
"After leaving Canada - where they had actually been granted asylum - they travelled through Frankfurt, Amsterdam, Bremen, Barcelona and Dublin before arriving in the UK in November 2007.
"Here their claim for asylum was refused and they had been told to leave their 15th floor flat in Glasgow's Red Road by Sunday, the day they died.
"But a source familiar with the case claims that no deportation order had been made and that the family could have made a fresh claim for asylum."

yankee
03-09-2010, 03:48 PM
Sounds like the UK treats foreign people like $hit.

Lucker
03-09-2010, 03:51 PM
Sounds like you don't know what you are talking about .

yankee
03-09-2010, 03:53 PM
Sounds like you don't know what you are talking about .

Perhaps you should read your own article.

Lucker
03-09-2010, 04:26 PM
You have no background about the incident . But instead of asking or going off to catch up with the Tele Tubbies , you decide to tell us what you have decided to invent even though the Man in the Moon is far better positioned to do so . By all means join in but why not be constructive and tell us -- for example ---- what he claimed when he was on Canadian soil .

yankee
03-09-2010, 04:38 PM
I was just thinking about the poor woman that jumped out of her flat to hide from UK authorities. I don't recall that happening here. In fact, we have more illegals than UK has people.

Lucker
03-09-2010, 04:50 PM
The Authorities here are like Angels of Mercy .
That is our gripe .
If you knew our procedures you would realise what an over considerate , caring and kind system we have .
The only people who ever jump are those that are so mentally fragile or ill that nothing would stop them . Most of them speak no English yet are given a standard of living that is beyond their dreams .
Many are professional economic migrants and not genuine asylum seekers .
We should be more like the Australians and run a tight ship geared to what our people want and need not what a bunch of gypsies want for free .

Whatever else you may say about God's Garden , there is no country in the world that does so much to help displaced peoples .

bobbyd
03-09-2010, 05:00 PM
the article says they had been granted asylum in Canada but they believed they were being watched. It wasn't me.

It is a sad story and particularly sad because it sounds as if two of the victims were being manipulated or brainwashed by one. Or...maybe they were being watched, who knows?

yankee
03-09-2010, 05:05 PM
the article says they had been granted asylum in Canada but they believed they were being watched. It wasn't me.


It is rare that we hear of people seeking asylum from Canada. You keep very quiet about the torture of foreigners from the news.

bobbyd
03-09-2010, 05:08 PM
It is rare that we hear of people seeking asylum from Canada. You keep very quiet about the torture of foreigners from the news.

we only torture Brits...then we fix their teeth

Sarah
03-09-2010, 05:16 PM
It is rare that we hear of people seeking asylum from Canada. You keep very quiet about the torture of foreigners from the news.

... and if they were seeking the asylum from Canada - it means that something was terribly wrong with these people - only God knows what, but this story is not for politics - it is for psychopathology.

paddedcell
03-09-2010, 05:22 PM
Why did the FSB throw 3 Russians out of a Glasgow building?

To get to the other side?

No...hang on...that's why the chicken crossed the road...

Uh...

krevedko
03-09-2010, 05:28 PM
Seem's like Glesga's nae guid fer Russians tae live in. :cool:

Lucker
03-09-2010, 06:04 PM
Seems like none of you know what the ex FSB Officer claimed .
It may turn out to be nonsense but it is most interesting

Koshka
03-10-2010, 06:34 AM
Seems like none of you know what the ex FSB Officer claimed .
It may turn out to be nonsense but it is most interesting

It is your buseness. We have hearts and can't eat your bread ;)

Lucker
03-15-2010, 08:59 PM
That is a much more believable scenario . But I doubt we will find out what he really knew and what he told the Canadian Government about "sleeper "moles .




The real name of the Russian defector is Serguei Kriajev (a French transcription corresponding to Sergei Kryazhev in English).He served in the Russian army from 1994 to 1996.

In summer 2002, he and his wife Tatiana, who, at 57 is 14 years his senior, fled to Canada, accompanied by Stepan, Tatiana's son by a previous relationship, and her daughter, Karina.

Documents show that defector's name is Sergeui Kriajev, and his stepdaughter used the Russian feminine version, Kriajeva. Oddly, though, his wife and stepson are listed as Serykh.

Claiming that he had been an agent in the FSB , Serguei Kriajev requested political asylum in Canada, saying, according to the newspaper, his collaboration with Canadian intelligence had been uncovered, and he faced execution in Russia.

In September, 2002, an Ottawa court rejected their asylum claim and they were ordered to return to Russia. They then enlisted an immigration lawyer, and according to immigration sources they were granted protected personal status - meaning they could remain in Canada - in October, 2005.

They lived in the leafy Toronto suburbs and ran a profitable herbal medicine business. Serguei applied for Canadian citizenship but he was refused.

Karina who is now aged 34 returned to Moscow, where she runs a rat-breeding business, .


Now , the British press, as if working order, is trying to paint the Russian as a defected FSB officer with mental problems who committed suicide. Obviously, it's easier for the police that way. But sometimes in their articles, British journalists hint that they do not believe the story that Kriajev was a "madman".

A Guardian journalist writes, for example, that these three Russians were physically unable to throw a massive wardrobe out from the balcony in order to break an anti-suicide net that had been installed around the first floor and then to fall out themselves.



Why the stepson "jumped " to death, for example, the British newspapers did not report. They simply say that Kriajev supposedly infected the family with madness . However, this seems improbable and coercion is unlikely as they were not roped together

What Kriajev really told the British police about his escape from Canada is actually unknown. The newspapers say that he allegedly fled from Canada, because he claimed that prime minister Harper was plotting to kill the Queen of England. This just looks like deliberate disinformation and does not explain the reasons for fleeing from Canada to England . The British newspapers now recognize at least he fled from Russia and didn't come to Canada as a typical tourist.

It is now considered untrue that the three were tied together as first reported . In fact it is established that the bodies were not found near to each other and no signs of rope have beeb mentioned by witnesses .
The British MP Barry Gardiner, who remembers Kriajev says: 'He used to say he was being hounded and he would present photographs of vans, which he had taken from the window of his flat".

Speaking in Moscow, Serykh's stepdaughter, Karina, said: 'If the British want to send me their ashes, that's fine, but I won't be going to the funeral.'

Probably, she won't be allowed to leave for Britain or she is simply afraid to be a next victim to fall out from some window in Moscow.