Russian Female Bobsleigh Athlete Becomes Disabled Person in Germany

[CurlyDarling]

Two Russian crews – a men’s and a women’s team – collided on their bobsleighs during a tournament in Germany’s Konigssee. A Russian athlete was severely injured in the accident.

The drama took place during the ride of the women’s team. The crew of two women – Nadezhda Filina and Irina Skvortsova – started the ride before the permissive signal was given. The girls could not handle the sleigh well, and it tipped over in the luge. The men’s team – Yevgeny Pashkov and Andrey Matyushko - started their ride at that moment. The men’s sleigh rammed into the tipped sleigh.

All the four athletes were severely injured in the accident, but Irina Skvortsova’s injuries were most serious. She was on the back seat of the racing vehicle, when the men’s sleigh slammed into it at full speed, RIA Novosti said.

A bobsleigh can reach the speed of 135-140 km/h on an ice track. Skvortsova suffered numerous traumas and had spine, legs and pelvis fractures.

The athlete was hospitalized to the emergency unit of the hospital in Taumstein. Irina was operated on and put into an artificial coma to have her brain protected against swelling. Doctors said that the life of the 21-year-old athlete was out of danger, but she would most likely have to forget her career in sports.

The German police are investigating the accident. The federation of bobsleigh in Russia hired a lawyer to defend the interests of the injured Russian athletes at court. The vice president of the federation, Vladimir Myslev, believes that the accident occurred because of the fault of the referee, who allowed the women’s team start the ride without the permissive signal.

http://english.pravda.ru/img/idb/sleigh.jpg

[Lucker]

An example of drugs going wrong ?

[saprosky]

Now the referee will be punished in a siberian gulag :lol:

[Koshka]

i do not see any funny in that a tragic story

[Lucker]

I do . It is facking hilarious .

[Sinister-Grin]

All they need is more steroid therapy:lol: Just like the USSR days!

[belano4ka]

That is sad news.

_

I asked my friend "Do you think that all sportsmen take drugs?" She answered "Of course, not!...Only those who win":yield:

[Lucker]

Agree .
It would have been better if they had crashed into the Americans and then we might have had an international incident . Perhaps even fist fights on the slopes .

[saprosky]

I was trying to find more info about this incident because from here I didnt hear about it.

After some searches in Google (no news in spanish press) only found 3 entries and all from russian newspapers (Pravda, Ria and Itar). No videos in YouTube.

By other way, there are a lot of entries about the championship and the winners.:becky:

Only press russian published the news about the incident ?
European, specially german, were looking to other place while incident happened ?
Everybody blind but russians ?
Nobody had a mobile, a videocamera or something else to film it ?
No TV broadcasting ?
:confused:

Ok, could be a sad news but at end she is very lucky woman. I dont want to think what could happened to her if incident was in Russia.:rolleyes:

[alenika]

Agree .
It would have been better if they had crashed into the Americans and then we might have had an international incident . Perhaps even fist fights on the slopes . I doubt it happens often that sportsmen have crush in bobsleigh, I mean two machines hitting each other. Maybe the same rare as airplanes crush in air. Like it happened a few years ago when passenger plane and another plane hit each other in air. it's tragic for sure, not because they both are russians but because of lack of attention of workers people suffer.
Price of mistake is to high sometimes :-/ Most of us are lucky that work in the places when price of mistake is not this high.

[alenika]

After some searches in Google (no news in spanish press) only found 3 entries and all from russian newspapers (Pravda, Ria and Itar). No videos in YouTube. yes... curious that not only ordinary people are indifferent when something happens to Russians but foreign press also is the same indifferent. If this would happen to someone not russian it would be anywhere in news.

Btw how often such type of crush happen really? maybe I just didn't hear of this before and it is quiet common?

[CurlyDarling]

I failed to find any information about this tragedy in foreign Media. So I will post only that data which I managed to find in Russian Sport-Express. You can translate it, if you are interested .

25 ноября

Экипаж Скворцовой выехал на красный свет с разрешения судьи


Как уже сообщал "СЭ", российская бобслеистка Ирина Скворцова, получившая травмы во время тренировочного заезда на трассе в Кенигзее, сейчас находится в состоянии искусственной комы в одной из больниц Германии. Накануне спортсменке была сделана вторая операция, сообщает официальный сайт Федерации бобслея и скелетона России.

В настоящее время полиция устанавливает причины происшествия. Есть информация, что женский экипаж выехал на красный свет, так как судья дал им соответствующее разрешение.

"Федерация надеется на высокий профессионализм немецких врачей. В настоящее время мы помогаем родственникам спортсменки оформить документы для выезда на место происшествия", - говорится в заявлении руководства ФБСР.

Трое россиян выписаны из больницы,
состояние Скворцовой остается нестабильным

Сегодня российские бобслеисты Евгений Пашков, Андрей Матюшко и Надежда Филина, пострадавшие в результате несчастного случая на тренировке перед стартом 2-го этапа Кубка Европы в Кенигзее, были выписаны из больницы. Состояние четвертой спортсменки, Ирины Скворцовой, – нестабильное, сообщает агентство "Весь спорт".

"Троих наших ребят уже выписали из больницы, - рассказал главный тренер сборной России по бобслею Владимир Любовицкий. – Это, правда, не значит, что они полностью восстановились. Например, у Жени Пашкова зафиксирована трещина в лопатке. Еще несколько недель по медицинским показаниям о тренировках не будет идти и речи. Впрочем, ребятам сейчас и выступать не на чем. Их боб после того страшного столкновения восстановлению не подлежит. Ира Скворцова, которая пострадала больше всех, сейчас лежит в специализированной клинике. Ее состояние нестабильное. Вчера вечером мы разговаривали с оперирующим хирургом, ежедневно ей проводят операции. Зафиксированы переломы в тазобедренном суставе, другие повреждения… Сейчас ее поддерживают в состоянии искусственной комы, на аппаратах искусственного дыхания. Дело в том, что она фактически приняла на себя удар на скорости 130 км в час. Но хирург настроен позитивно, и мы все надеемся. К сожалению, спортивная карьера Скворцовой, во всяком случае, в бобслее, скорее всего, закончена".

http://winter.sport-express.ru/bobsleigh/

[saprosky]

I found this information, but the curious is that when almost all that happens in the world is captured by cameras, this incident has no videos, images, ....

And I didnt watch any spanish TV (lately I cant watch others) that show images or info about it. I read 2-3 newspapers in its digital version, and any writed line.

But only the russian news agencies has this info. Thats curious.

BTW, last terrorist attack to the Nevsski Train appeared in all TV news and all kind of press (paper and digital). All talking about terrorist attack from some chechenian group. But today RIA shows, in its spanish version, still say that was an ACCIDENT. Well in small letters say that clould be a terrirst attack :becky: (http://sp.rian.ru/)

PS:
For those than want to know what other rcountries say about a news: http://en.kiosko.net/

A collection of newspapers covers around the world (not russian) where you can read the same new from different points of view.

[Koshka]

But today RIA shows, in its spanish version, still say that was an ACCIDENT.

In Russian says terrorist attack. Two explosion were.
I think the translation in foreign language is late.


Yesterday morning I turn on radio and heard an accident
I went in the Internet and read an explosion under second coach

[Koshka]

There is a photo of damaged coach of Nevsky Express


http://pskovrail.narod.ru/2007b/5500.jpg

[Lucker]

I have been covering the Nevsky terrorist attack details on the , Moslem Terrorists in Russia , and also the , Al Qaeda Back in Russia again , Topics .
There is absolutely no doubt it was terrorists and the presence of Al Qaeda is distinctly possible --- see Hydro Electric Dam and plant devastation , destruction of Arms dumps and the huge damage of the underground gas storage complex .
Russia is at war whether it chooses to let its citizens know or not .

[saprosky]

There is a photo of damaged coach of Nevsky Express





We have a lot of pics and videos from this terrorist attack, thanks.

But still no from the "big crash" in Germany :rolleyes:

[Koshka]

We have a lot of pics and videos from this terrorist attack, thanks.



i noticed yesterday that this terrorist attack was a main Saturday's entertainment for foreign media :mad:

[Lucker]

However hurtful , it is always funny to see someone slip and fall on a banana skin

[CurlyDarling]

МОСКВА, 29 ноября. В клинику в немецком городе Кенигзее, где находится российская бобслеистка Ирина Скворцова, прибудет группа российских врачей. Они помогут немецким коллегам лечить спортсменку, получившую серьезные травмы во время тренировочных заездов, сообщает GZT.ru.

По словам главного тренера сборной России по бобслею Владимира Любовицкого, это решение принималось на уровне правительства страны.

«В составе делегации – несколько узких специалистов по тем травмам, которые были выявлены у Ирины. В воскресенье они должны уже прибыть в клинику. В состоянии Скворцовой особых перемен нет. Она по-прежнему находится в состоянии искусственной комы, но ухудшений немецкие врачи не констатируют», — сообщил Любовицкий.

Напомним, Ирина Скворцова попала в реанимацию после аварии, случившейся на санно-бобслейной трассе в немецком Кенигзее. Во время тренировочного заезда произошло столкновение двух бобов, в каждом из которых находились российские спортсмены: мужской экипаж-двойка врезался в женскую двойку. Три других российских бобслеиста, ставшие участниками столкновения, — Надежда Филина, Евгений Пашков и Андрей Матюшко — также получили серьезные травмы.




Сначала сообщалось, что инцидент произошел из-за ошибки женского экипажа. Якобы россиянки вышли на трассу до появления разрешительного сигнала светофора, а затем их боб перевернулся. Вскоре на трассе появился мужской экипаж-двойка, который на полном ходу врезался в перевернувшийся боб.

Трасса в Кенигзее в Европе считается одной из самых опасных. Но не из-за угла наклона или резких поворотов. Из двух стартовых площадок полностью оборудована сигнальными приборами только одна. Оттуда стартуют по сигналу электроники. Ее координацию со второй должен обеспечивать судья, который автоматически получает «сверху» разрешение на старт и выпускает спортсменов. На этот раз система дала сбой, и два боба, мужской и женский, вышли на трассу почти одновременно.

О человеческом факторе говорят и свидетели — капитан женской сборной России Виктория Токовая подтвердила, что движение на трассе в Кенигзее организовано плохо, особенно на тренировках, когда результаты не фиксируются, а значит, и время старта не выверяется посекундно.

Германская сторона обвинения в адрес судьи пытается отрицать. Российская команда уже наняла адвоката. В Германии расследованием происшествия занимается криминальная полиция.


12:06 Росбалт


http://www.gzt.ru/topnews/sport/273708.html

Follow this link. There is a lot of information about the tragedy in Germany and you will also be able to see two video records. All the information is in Russian.

[8bigwheels]

this story reminds me one million baby film. it is very pitty that her career is finished in this way, but i really hope Irina will be able to walk and move.
very terreble accident:(

[alenika]

However hurtful , it is always funny to see someone slip and fall on a banana skin It is never funny for me. Maybe lack of sense of humour though.

[Koshka]

But still no from the "big crash" in Germany :rolleyes:

so it sometimes happen ;)

[saprosky]

i noticed yesterday that this terrorist attack was a main Saturday's entertainment for foreign media :mad:

How do you know this ???

I dont think show this tragedy could be named "entertainment". Spanish TV (TVE) sent his reporter to the zone and provide us information directly. True and independent information ;)



http://www.gzt.ru/topnews/sport/273708.html

Follow this link. There is a lot of information about the tragedy in Germany and you will also be able to see two video records. All the information is in Russian.

Thanks, but again only in russian :rolleyes:

And dont be offended, but the video seems a promotional advertisement. 34 seconds of ...... nothing ???

[pouffe]

All they need is more steroid therapy:lol: Just like the USSR days!

They did, didn't you noticed that this woman is named Bob, Bob Slegg.

[alenika]

Thanks, but again only in russian :rolleyes:

And dont be offended, but the video seems a promotional advertisement. 34 seconds of ...... nothing ???
I don't understand why you don't like it to be in russian. Is Russian media guilty that shows about this?
On your place I'd be concerned that your media doesn't show it - as usually keeping in silence all about Russia if it is not negative enough.
Or you mean the tragedy didn't happen? or what?

[saprosky]

I don't understand why you don't like it to be in russian. Is Russian media guilty that shows about this?
On your place I'd be concerned that your media doesn't show it - as usually keeping in silence all about Russia if it is not negative enough.
Or you mean the tragedy didn't happen? or what?

I despite if is in russian or chinese. The question is why only in russian when it happened in Germany, in a international championship and full of cameras.

Why nobody film it ??
Why any other TV or newspaper talk about but russians ???

And if our media keep in silence, why yesterday the train crash was in all newspapers and TV news ????

And sorry, but I still think the video seems more a editing video (fake? :yield:) than a real report.

[Koshka]

How do you know this ???



yesterday found many in the Internet

or do you think it is impossible in Russia?

[alenika]

And if our media keep in silence, why yesterday the train crash was in all newspapers and TV news ???? because western media is biased. They show only when they can say something bad about Russia. That case was not curious. Russians died, oh they die.. someone will feel pity of them maybe. And how it is possible to feel pity of Russians, it is only possible to hate them. And if something gets blown there - then it is surely bad russian government which is guilty and poor other Russians fight their government.

[pouffe]

I don't like bobsleigh.

[CurlyDarling]

I don't think there were a lot of reporters there at that time as it was only a training, a common training process, not competitions.

[statajack]

The British tv news channels are very sympathetic to the train crash. They have demonstrated a concerned approach to the victims and their relatives. They are also emphasising the need for all nations to work together to defeat terrorism.

Ladies, the west is not gloating over a Russian disaster. I can assure you!

[Koshka]

The British tv news channels are very sympathetic to the train crash. They have demonstrated a concerned approach to the victims and their relatives. They are also emphasising the need for all nations to work together to defeat terrorism.

Ladies, the west is not gloating over a Russian disaster. I can assure you!

but it is a real difference between inside and outside view

i have now gone near the hotel where stayed the relatives of victim who came for bodies

[Lucker]

No sane person would gloat but I was predicting this type of scenario ages ago .
If the lack of strategy by the Kremlin has not caused these incidents , then my name is Fatty Safin .
The whole bloody world knows that half of the criminal Kremlin Gang and their bureaucrats catch this train every Friday night . The train was installed for them in the first place !
They might as well have well stuck a notice on the carriages saying , " Bombs here please".

[Koshka]

double
pls, delete

[CurlyDarling]

Russian bobsleigh athlete Irina Skvortsova, who was severely injured in an accident during a bobsleigh tournament in Germany on November 23, will have her leg amputated. Doctors will perform the surgery as soon as Irina wakes from an induced coma.

“Unfortunately, it will not be possible to avoid amputation. An additional expert is expected to arrive to decide on which spot on her leg the surgery will take place. They are doing their best to preserve Irina’s limbs and conduct high-quality prosthetics procedures afterwards,” Nina Grefenstein of Russia’s national bobsleigh team told Vesti FM.

“It is hard to say how Irina feels. Doctors will have to take her out of the coma to see if other organs were injured in the accident. She’s been showing positive reactions so far,” Grefenstein said.

The 21-year-old was severely injured on November 23 during a training session on a bobsleigh track in Konigssee, when the Russian women's team tipped over in the luge and stopped, after which the Russian men's team crashed into them from behind at full speed.

She suffered multiple breakages, including to her hips and back. She has since undergone several operations and remains in intensive care. Russia's Vesti TV reported on Monday that doctors may have to amputate one of her legs.

"Experts from the Russian Federal Bio-Medical Agency together with German doctors examined Irina this morning, and held consultations," said Lyudmila Kozlova, a spokeswoman for the Russian Bobsleigh and Skeleton Federation.

"The doctors unanimously decided that it is currently impossible to transport the athlete. Doctors will reconsider this issue after a few days," she added.

According to preliminary results of an investigation conducted by German police, the judges in charge of the luge were negligent in the accident. The luge was not closed after the women's bobsleigh turned over, and the judges gave the men's team the go-ahead to descend despite the red light showing, RIA Novosti reports.

The German police have not named those guilty of the accident on the bobsleigh luge in Konigssee. They consider the accident as reckless infliction of bodily harm, like in a car accident.

[Lucker]

If she gets back into the team , will this give an unfair advantage when cornering --- less weight going over the ice ?