Palin versus Biden?

[kentuckydan]

Palin 47%, Biden 44% in Make-believe Presidential Match-up (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/election_20082/2008_presidential_election/palin_47_biden_44_in_make_believe_presidential_mat ch_up)

Sarah Palin bests Joseph Biden 47% to 44% in a hypothetical head-to-head match-up for the presidency, according to a new Rasmussen Reports national telephone survey

When Palin is pitted against Barack Obama, the Democratic presidential nominee wins 50% to 43%.

In the same survey, Palin’s running mate, John McCain, beats Biden 49% to 45%


47+ 49= 96
44 + 45=89

Electoral Vote dot com (http://www.electoral-vote.com/)
Obama 247 McCain 257 Ties 34

[kentuckydan]

Rasmussen

Election 2008: Electoral College Update (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/election_20082/2008_presidential_election/election_2008_electoral_college_update)

Electoral College: McCain 200 Obama 193
Saturday, September 13, 2008
New state polling from Missouri has helped move that state from from “Leans Republican” to “Likely Republican” in the Rasmussen Reports Balance of Power Calculator. With this change, McCain now leads in states with 200 Electoral College votes while Obama is ahead in states with 193 Electoral College votes

[kentuckydan]

Election Projection

This Week's Tally

Sept. 15, 2008 McCain Obama Margin
Projected
Electoral Votes 265 273 Obama +8
Projected
Popular Vote 49.66% 48.34% McCain +1.32%
(http://www.electionprojection.com/president08.shtml)

[1amongmany]

I wonder why so much emphasis is put on the VP. The only responsibility of the VP is to break a tie in the Senate…its not like the VP is important. Look at the last few, Cheney, Gore, Quail….what are they remembered for besides inventing the internet and shooting a “friend”?…the VP is not even on the ballot.

[Voobrazheniye]

I wonder why so much emphasis is put on the VP. The only responsibility of the VP is to break a tie in the Senate…its not like the VP is important. Look at the last few, Cheney, Gore, Quail….what are they remembered for besides inventing the internet and shooting a “friend”?…the VP is not even on the ballot.

The only reason that there is so much emphasis on the VP slot this time is because of Palin. The left is in true hysteria about her. Meanwhile, Biden is just another ordinary Joe (VP) Candidate.

As I read a number of sources from different political perspectives, I have been overwhelmed by the absolute HATE and FEAR coming out of the left toward Palin. It dwarfs anything coming from the right toward Obama.

The left hates that she is a dynamic, successful woman (which, of course, they would normally want to salute), who embraces an entirely different set of values than the ones they believe a woman SHOULD embrace. Their reaction would be very similar if the first black candidate for president had been a conservative instead of a far-left liberal.

[fbibob]

There is one other thing in this election. Because of McCain's age, his health could fail before he finishes his term. The Democrats and media used to talk about this a lot, and now they are silent about it. This is because Palin is viewed so favorably that many people would be happy if she took over from McCain as President.

[kentuckydan]

I wonder why so much emphasis is put on the VP. The only responsibility of the VP is to break a tie in the Senate…its not like the VP is important. Look at the last few, Cheney, Gore, Quail….what are they remembered for besides inventing the internet and shooting a “friend”?…the VP is not even on the ballot.

Which is a BIG blunder on the part of the Left they have gone overboard so far it's like Obama is running against Palin,

SHHH this might cost them the election so we don't want to say that too loud .

:butcher:

[kentuckydan]

Their reaction would be very similar if the first black candidate for president had been a conservative instead of a far-left liberal.

True of their treatment of Michael Steele when he ran for the Senate in Maryland is any indication.

Can you picture the cries of moral outrage if a Replican had done this photoshop of a African American Democratic candidate for office?

Did you ever see this before? Do you think you would have seen it if the Party of the man had been reversed??

[statajack]

The amount of money this election has cost is probably enough to clear the entire international debt of a small country.

Aren't you guys yet fed up with it all, it's been going on mainstream all year.

I guess the entire USA now knows absolutely everything about a small group of politicians. Shoe size, colour of underwear, blood group, the number of times they have had a cold throughout their lives, the exact number of touchdowns Mrs Palin has ever made, how many touchdowns Mr McCain isn't going to make, and how often they frequent the bog.

[kentuckydan]

The amount of money this election has cost is probably enough to clear the entire international debt of a small country.

Aren't you guys yet fed up with it all, it's been going on mainstream all year.

I guess the entire USA now knows absolutely everything about a small group of politicians. Shoe size, colour of underwear, blood group, the number of times they have had a cold throughout their lives, the exact number of touchdowns Mrs Palin has ever made, how many touchdowns Mr McCain isn't going to make, and how often they frequent the bog.

we spend a lot of money on Presidential Elections more than we spend each year on Ringtones for Cell Phones, but less than we spend on Frozen Yougart.

[kentuckydan]

Prominent Clinton backer and DNC member to endorse McCain (http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2008/09/16/prominent-clinton-backer-and-dnc-member-to-endorse-mccain/)

From CNN Political Editor Mark Preston, Extra


A prominent backer of Hillary Clinton is endorsing McCain.
WASHINGTON (CNN) — Lynn Forester de Rothschild, a prominent Hillary Clinton supporter and member of the Democratic National Committee’s Platform Committee, will endorse John McCain for president on Wednesday, her spokesman tells CNN.

The announcement will take place at a news conference on Capitol Hill, just blocks away from the DNC headquarters. Forester will “campaign and help him through the election,” the spokesman said of her plans to help the Republican presidential nominee.

Forester was a major donor for Clinton earning her the title as a Hillraiser for helping to raise at least $100,000 for the New York Democratic senator’s failed presidential bid.

In an interview with CNN this summer, Forester did not hide her distaste for eventual Democratic presidential nominee Barack Obama.

“This is a hard decision for me personally because frankly I don't like him,” she said of Obama in an interview with CNN’s Joe Johns. “I feel like he is an elitist. I feel like he has not given me reason to trust him.”

Forester is the CEO of EL Rothschild, a holding company with businesses around the world. She is married to international banker Sir Evelyn de Rothschild. Forester is a member of the DNC’s Democrats Abroad chapter and splits her time living in London and New York.

[fbibob]

Aren't you guys yet fed up with it all, it's been going on mainstream all year.


We were sick of it 2 months ago, and we have 2 months more to go.

[kentuckydan]

The amount of money this election has cost is probably enough to clear the entire international debt of a small country.




I consider Politics to be the GREAT GAME.

Now we spend 70 Billion dollars a year on sports, would you begrudge
me the paltry sum we spend on elections in comparison
so I can root for my Team?

[Voobrazheniye]

we spend a lot of money on Presidential Elections more than we spend each year on Ringtones for Cell Phones, but less than we spend on Frozen Yougart.

What bothers me about the money part of it has to do with the original agreement by Obama to use federal funding (and submit to its limits), followed by his breaking of that agreement after McCain agreed similarly to campaign on the same level field.

Now, while McCain is staying true to that pledge, Obama is getting all the cash he can carry from the Hollywood elite, far-left tychoons like George Soros, and others of similar ilk. The left, which once championed the idea of "level playing fields" and the federal government financing elections when they thought this was to their advantage, are now more than happy to stuff private cash into their pockets when they have so many rich benefactors (party of the "regular people"? Give me a break!).

So my concern now is that Obama may be able to just buy the election, even though his ideas are bankrupt, his "change" mantra is hollow, and the man himself is just an empty suit.

[dzerassa]

did they have debates? who was better?

[huney]

What bothers me about the money part of it has to do with the original agreement by Obama to use federal funding (and submit to its limits), followed by his breaking of that agreement after McCain agreed similarly to campaign on the same level field.

Now, while McCain is staying true to that pledge, Obama is getting all the cash he can carry from the Hollywood elite, far-left tychoons like George Soros, and others of similar ilk. The left, which once championed the idea of "level playing fields" and the federal government financing elections when they thought this was to their advantage, are now more than happy to stuff private cash into their pockets when they have so many rich benefactors (party of the "regular people"? Give me a break!).

So my concern now is that Obama may be able to just buy the election, even though his ideas are bankrupt, his "change" mantra is hollow, and the man himself is just an empty suit.

I beg to differ. IMO, he demonstrated his commitment to change when he decided to take the big money. He 'changed' his mind :rolleyes:

[statajack]

I consider Politics to be the GREAT GAME.

Now we spend 70 Billion dollars a year on sports, would you begrudge
me the paltry sum we spend on elections in comparison
so I can root for my Team?

Of course not Dan. What's a few dollars between friends. :)

[Voobrazheniye]

did they have debates? who was better?

The first debate will be in about a week.

[kentuckydan]

I beg to differ. IMO, he demonstrated his commitment to change when he decided to take the big money. He 'changed' his mind :rolleyes:

Everyone is under the mistaken illusion that Obama created

"Change"

I just stumbled upon a website which is the epitomy of a political junky's
wet dream

Campaign Commercials for every Election going back to 1952

It would appear that Change is Eternal and never Changes

Never Had it So Good Eisenhower Answers America (http://www.livingroomcandidate.org/commercials/1952/never-had-it-so-good)

[dzerassa]

i like palin. she is cute, pleasant and smart. i don;t like just one thing about her: she is a hunter. it's a great minus in my opinion.

[kentuckydan]

i like palin. she is cute, pleasant and smart. i don;t like just one thing about her: she is a hunter. it's a great minus in my opinion.

I take it you are a vegetarian then?

[dzerassa]

I take it you are a vegetarian then?

can u imagine - no :) it's cause this caucasus cuisine is full of meat, they eat meat 3 times a day here crazy people

[kentuckydan]

can u imagine - no :) it's cause this caucasus cuisine is full of meat, they eat meat 3 times a day here crazy people

OK then if you are NOT a vegetarian, why is hunting considered by you a minus?

Is it less moral to kill your own food than letting someone else do it for you?

I can understand someone who refrains from eating meat for reasons of a personal ethical belief system being put off by hunting, but I don't see the grounds for that stance by a meat eater.

That is not to say I am above giving Vegans a humorous dig :yo:

Just that I can undertand their position. For THEM I respond with

Carrot Juice is Murder by the Arrogant Worms

KmK0bZl4ILM

[kentuckydan]

Give PEAS a Chance!

[dzerassa]

dan, i don't pretend i do it right.

hunting is evel in my point of view and u know it is something different from neccesity to eat. it is fun for hunters to chase and kill. hunting for northern tribes is survival. they don't kill more then they need to eat. if the kill an animal they use every piece of it for their life, not only meat. they don't enjoy the act of hunting, they need it to survive. it is just like animals hunt other animals - to eat in order to survive. if a lion is not hungry he will not kill for fun just.

people's hunting is for fun. they hunt lions, tigers, elephants not 'cause they r startving but for fun, for business etc. that's evil

[kentuckydan]

dan, i don't pretend i do it right.

hunting is evel in my point of view and u know it is something different from neccesity to eat. it is fun for hunters to chase and kill. hunting for northern tribes is survival. they don't kill more then they need to eat. if the kill an animal they use every piece of it for their life, not only meat. they don't enjoy the act of hunting, they need it to survive. it is just like animals hunt other animals - to eat in order to survive. if a lion is not hungry he will not kill for fun just.

people's hunting is for fun. they hunt lions, tigers, elephants not 'cause they r startving but for fun, for business etc. that's evil

Then we disagree on part I don't condone hunting for "trophies" per se.

But I see nothing immoral in hunting for food, nor do I see anything wrong in hunting
a predator which is feeding on livestock and/or people and in that case why not let someone do it who wishes to pay for the expense themselves?

Is it more moral for taxpayers to pay someone to take down the animal as a job?

I don't think it matters that much to the individual animal if they are shot in the wild or butchered in a slaughter house.

[Sveta's Hero]

Hunting is sometimes done to control the over-population of a species too. Like here in Michigan, today is the start of a special doe hunting season to control the abundant population of deer in the state. Usually the deer that are harvested here are processed and eaten. Try it sometime, I bet you never had something quite like fresh venison.

[dzerassa]

Then we disagree on part I don't condone hunting for "trophies" per se.

But I see nothing immoral in hunting for food, nor do I see anything wrong in hunting
a predator which is feeding on livestock and/or people and in that case why not let someone do it who wishes to pay for the expense themselves?

Is it more moral for taxpayers to pay someone to take down the animal as a job?

I don't think it matters that much to the individual animal if they are shot in the wild or butchered in a slaughter house.

i think palin's hunting is for fun. i don't think she is starving without it. that's why it is minus in her. otherwise she seems nice.

[Sveta's Hero]

I come from a hunting state, and although I have never shot anything myself, I have never known anyone who has just hunted to kill. They want the meat too. Deer in Michigan is a prize, and yes if you get a buck, you get a trophy, but you also stock your freezer with some of the leanest, tastiest meat around.

[IamKeenan]

This is the worst excuse for hunting I have ever seen in my life. I am pro gun and pro hunting. But this is a crying shame and I only wish the lion had got his revenge in these ''Hunters'':mad:

0CNgwZgoKFc

[Sveta's Hero]

Hunting an endangered species is a totally different ballgame, and I agree with you on that one, Keenan.

[dzerassa]

I come from a hunting state, and although I have never shot anything myself, I have never known anyone who has just hunted to kill. They want the meat too. Deer in Michigan is a prize, and yes if you get a buck, you get a trophy, but you also stock your freezer with some of the leanest, tastiest meat around.

of course, if u kill a deer u eat it. i do think hunting wild animals is evil. people have much more other sorts of food including home cattle. yes, i know u will say home cattle is also murder and u will be right in a way. but wild animals is still different, many animals disappeard just also 'cause people wanted to hunt and eat after that of course.

i know what u mean about deers. in russian north they cultivate them as cows for meat. and then they slaughter like cattle.

Still i think that hunting mostly is for fun and business. people don't eat foxes, wolfs, lions, tigers, etc. i don't mean when people need to protect their houses or sheep etc, though in many ways people interfered into life of wild nature. we destroy it and hunting is just a small part of it. there r many such small parts that alltogether bring planet to disaster.

i do think palin can live without deers meat and i do think she is not doing it for food just, it is entertainment.

[Sveta's Hero]

I can't speak for her motivation for hunting because I have not heard her side of the story. But I know that hunting in the US is regulated and strictly controlled so that species do not become endangered or extinct, unlike centuries past. Look at the animals that are making great, if not spectacular comebacks. The bald eagle, the grey wolf, etc...

[dzerassa]

BAN HUNTING!
BAN CIRCUCES!
BAN ZOOS!

[dzerassa]

SAVE WILD NATURE

[beezneesman]

of course, if u kill a deer u eat it. i do think hunting wild animals is evil. people have much more other sorts of food including home cattle. yes, i know u will say home cattle is also murder and u will be right in a way. but wild animals is still different, many animals disappeard just also 'cause people wanted to hunt and eat after that of course.

i know what u mean about deers. in russian north they cultivate them as cows for meat. and then they slaughter like cattle.

Still i think that hunting mostly is for fun and business. people don't eat foxes, wolfs, lions, tigers, etc. i don't mean when people need to protect their houses or sheep etc, though in many ways people interfered into life of wild nature. we destroy it and hunting is just a small part of it. there r many such small parts that alltogether bring planet to disaster.

i do think palin can live without deers meat and i do think she is not doing it for food just, it is entertainment.

I don't see anything wrong with hunting per se - if it's for food (I am not a vegetarian) but hunting of rare or endangered species is another matter and I'm not particularly impressed if a politician feels they have to be photographed with a dead animal just to be seen to be somehow in tune with part of the electorate.

The real abomination is these 'farms' where animals like lions or wild boars are basically put in fenced off areas just so some fat rich w@nker can turn up and shoot them from his golf cart (after paying lots of money). The people who do that need to be taken up in an airplane and thrown out without a parachute.

[kentuckydan]

i think palin's hunting is for fun. i don't think she is starving without it. that's why it is minus in her. otherwise she seems nice.



I don't go to the grocery store and buy steak because I am starving, I do it because
I like the taste of beef,

I recall one Thanksgiving we ate at one of my aunt and uncle's and they served venison
not THAT is tasty.

So she enjoys the chase and the hunt? But if she treats the animal with respect, ie does not waste the meat and only take the head as a "trophy" I consider her actions less hypocritcal than someone who goes to the store and buys meat others have killed.

We are just not going to agree about this but then my hunter gatherer ancestors are probably a lot more recent than yours.

Like maybe a 150 years back.

and in my family they were hunting for meat because they needed to, only one generation before mine. The generation of my Father and my Uncles when they were young.

We look at this from a totally different perspective.

[Sveta's Hero]

That's another thing. Zoos here are not the same as they were 20 or more years ago. For instance, the Detroit Zoo takes in animals that have been wounded, animals for conservation, and breeding. They also try to build close to natural living areas for them. Zoos now are more directed at education and preservation of animal species. They are not like circuses.

[dzerassa]

But if she treats the animal with respect, ie does not waste the meat and only take the head as a "trophy" I consider her actions less hypocritcal than someone who goes to the store and buys meat others have killed..

i don't see any hypocracy when people buy meat in the shop. yes, i said it is also murder but it has different shadow.

she can treat an animal with respect before she kills it, she can even appologise and give it flowers but she is HUNTER, it is obvious she is doing it like just other hunters to have thrill of hunting, chasing an animal. and u know, can u shoot into a human being to kill him, for this u also need to have something in u. she has it, and this what i don't like.

as for hypocrycy.

i wear fur coat in winter, u can't go witout it in russia. but i have one just for warmth, i don't buy several according to fasion etc. i don't but leather acceccories and i don't go to circus

[dzerassa]

That's another thing. Zoos here are not the same as they were 20 or more years ago. For instance, the Detroit Zoo takes in animals that have been wounded, animals for conservation, and breeding. They also try to build close to natural living areas for them. Zoos now are more directed at education and preservation of animal species. They are not like circuses.

it depends Paul, some zoos in northen europe bring animals from africa for vanity. to say they have it.

as for looking after wounded animals - yes, i agree it is a noble work, i like those shelters which treat animals and let them go to their natural environment. i know it is not always possible as they lose habit of living in wild nature but there r methods how to do it, there r shelters which do it, it is a matter of decision to do it

[Sveta's Hero]

and i don't go to circus

Where do you think you are right now?:becky:

[dzerassa]

what i think is right to create natural parks where all animals of this area live as they live in nature. acturely it is nature for them but protected by law and controlled from hunters. i think all rare places of wild nature should become such.

[dzerassa]

Where do you think you are right now?:becky:


oh, i am even participating in this show :)

[IamKeenan]

SAVE WILD NATURE

Sometimes saving Wild Nature includes the harvesting of Animals that are overpopulated. If that is not done it upsets the balance of all involved

[dzerassa]

Sometimes saving Wild Nature includes the harvesting of Animals that are overpopulated. If that is not done it upsets the balance of all involved

like for example which ones?

i do think that nature created it so that there r natuarl ways for them to balance them. like smaller animals have a lot of natural enemies, bigger animals have low reproduction, etc. mankind interfers into their environment, we cut trees, build roads, plants, etc and here we create disbalance too. we destoy one type of animals but they r connected to other animals too so we create problems for oter animals too

[IamKeenan]

like for example which ones?

i do think that nature created it so that there r natuarl ways for them to balance them. like smaller animals have a lot of natural enemies, bigger animals have low reproduction, etc. mankind interfers into their environment, we cut trees, build roads, plants, etc and here we create disbalance too. we destoy one type of animals but they r connected to other animals too so we create problems for oter animals too


Without going into dozens of examples just to prove a point I will start with Deer. They over populate and if filters down from there.

Dont believe me? Google it!!!

[dzerassa]

Without going into dozens of examples just to prove a point I will start with Deer. They over populate and if filters down from there.

Dont believe me? Google it!!!

no i don't beleive u and i don't beleive google

[Lucky]

may i participate in clown show.... i like circuz and always wanted to try myself as clown :jester:

[dzerassa]

may i participate in clown show.... i like circuz and always wanted to try myself as clown :jester:


lucky please there is a long queque of clowns here waiting to give their performance :)

[IamKeenan]

no i don't beleive u and i don't beleive google

Well good for you. I hope you do well living in the dark ages!!! :lol:

[dzerassa]

Well good for you. I hope you do well living in the dark ages!!! :lol:

to doubt your words and words of google is dark ages? read some history books before u say something in public

[Hoopy]

Deer are a perfect example of an animal population that can easily get out of hand,the reason for this is they mostly have little or none natural predators in the wild and shag like fook so for once the fat guy is right in what he said.

[1amongmany]

wow...this thread took a wild course :eek:

[kentuckydan]

like for example which ones?

i do think that nature created it so that there r natuarl ways for them to balance them. like smaller animals have a lot of natural enemies, bigger animals have low reproduction, etc. mankind interfers into their environment, we cut trees, build roads, plants, etc and here we create disbalance too. we destoy one type of animals but they r connected to other animals too so we create problems for oter animals too

Here the population pressure of deer herds is driving them into the cities at certain times of the year, one has to be very careful about driving, there are quite a few accidents caused by deer jumping in front of cars. Of course sometimes if the population densisty of a wild species is too high then disease epidemics among them thins the herds down drasticly.

It is interesting to note that some species in fact adapt quite well to human habitats and even thrive.

I don't know what it is like elsewhere but in the US at present the density of raptors is actually higher in metroplitan areas than in the wild.

[brown-raider]

Deer are a perfect example of an animal population that can easily get out of hand,the reason for this is they mostly have little or none natural predators in the wild and shag like fook so for once the fat guy is right in what he said.shag like fook! weren't the sheep enough. have you been molesting the deer besides...:lol:

[brown-raider]

to doubt your words and words of google is dark ages? read some history books before u say something in publicdo you want current info. or history?:cell:

[brown-raider]

I heard that fookin Biden is still trying to figure out the best way to comb the 4 hairs on his head, to make it look like a full head of hair... at the present he is using the zig zag approach with out success:o

[kentuckydan]

to doubt your words and words of google is dark ages? read some history books before u say something in public

Google has no "words" it is a means of finding information, using a google search will take you to a webpage that DOES have information.

Now if Google were a online discussion group, or a blog, or a website with information posted you might have a point, but it is not it is just a search engine.

Your statement would pre internet, like saying you did not trust libraries for information.