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Lucker
07-13-2009, 08:08 PM
For the last 4 years the Kremlin organised youth group Nashi has been viewed internationally with growing revulsion . The group was based on racist ideology and practised organised and rehearsed violence not only on the Russian streets for political means but two years ago they were taken to Estonia to cause riots and more recently they were prevented entry into Georgia at the height of Moscow's attempts to win regime change in Tiblisi .
But this year's Annual Youth Camp was toned down in many respects and though state funded and sponsored was also open to non Nashi young people .
Here is how it went .




The annual youth camp at Seliger has dubious connotations for many. Since 2005 it has been a flagship event for the pro-Kremlin youth group Nashi, a best known in the West for harassing foreign diplomats, and without a much better reputation amongst many Russians. Stories from the camp in previous years have given the Seliger “youth forum” a reputation for anything from political brain-washing (is no secret that Nashi’s original raison d’être is to prevent a colored revolution in Russia) to sexual deviancy. (“I’m telling you, it’s an orgy,” asserted one well-connected Russian acquaintance of this writer before he visited. The rumor that Seliger is a den of vice seems to have sprung from the 2007 camp, which was organized as part of the “Year of the Family” and reportedly took some quite extraordinary measures to instill in delegates a sense of duty to reverse Russia’s demographic decline. Given the extraordinary depth and persistence of this rumor, it is only fair to point out that there was no overt encouragement of unprotected sex this year – although group weddings remain an annual fixture of the camp).

But the decision to bring the event under government control and throw the camp open to non-Nashi participants has not assuaged critics. Days before the camp opened on July 1, Ilya Yashin, a leader of the opposition Solidarnost opposition movement, asked the prosecutor general to investigate the legality of giving state-funding to what he said was to all intents and purposes a politically partisan event. The Federal Agency for Youth Affairs, which was charged with organizing this year’s event, is headed by Vasiliy Yakemenko, a former Nashi leader, and the camp’s logo (a red triangle with a diagonal white cross) remains almost identical to Nashi’s. “In content and style this event is practically indistinguishable from similar youth camps held by Nashi at Selger in the past four years,” the Kommersant daily quoted Yashin’s letter to the prosecutor.

Traditional elements from previous camps do, indeed, remained. There were red-and-white Nashi flags and clothes, visits from government ministers and a live video-link with President Dmitry Medvedev. Campers were woken at eight o’clock every morning by the Russian national anthem blasted from speakers mounted in the trees. Many of the delegates were from Nashi, or were former members. Robert Schlegel, a former Nashi leader and now the youngest deputy in the State Duma (for United Russia, of course), hosted the video link with Medvedev.

But there was no paramilitary training to combat colored revolutions, nor any “love oasis” in which couples could get to work raising the birthrate. And despite the conflation of love of nation with love of Medvedev and Prime Minister Vladimir Putin (whose portraits were displayed side-by-side at strategic points around the camp) the rhetoric was more patriotic than partisan, with great emphasis placed on national unity and “tolerance,” which was one of the camp’s many buzz words.

The political sympathies of delegates also turned out to be fairly diverse, with more than a few expressing doubts about associating with Nashi. “We’ve got nothing to do with that organization, and we don’t want to,” said Nadezhda, a 19 year old economics student from Volgograd. “To be honest, we don’t much like Nashi or their politics,” said Vadim Popov, 22, who was taking part in a modern art project called Future Ville. “But the government gave us funding, and we need the money. So here we are.”

But if toning down the rhetoric and the activities gave the place at least a veneer of political neutrality and civility, it did not make it any easier to understand what the point of it all was. A great amount of thought (and money - the Kommersant daily reported that the organizers spent about 7.5 million rubles, or $2.2 million), had gone into the organization. But the official line was difficult to follow. 2009 has been dubbed the “Year of Youth” (as 2007 was the “Year of the Family”), and a great number of the delegates had applied on that program’s website. But the camp itself was called “Innovation Forum 2009,” and it was dominated by two themes: the innovation of the title, and “tolerance,” within another program called “Russia for Everybody.” Meanwhile, this writer was invited by the Public Chamber of the Russian Federation as part of yet another program called “Investigating Russia.” To confuse matters further, if anyone was asked what the camp was about, the invariable one-word answer was “education.”

And in an important way that is exactly what the camp was about (though not because Education Minister Andrei Fursenko visited one afternoon). The most perfect example was the living-art project called Future Ville. Participants labored from dawn till dusk everyday to erect a model city. The buildings – factories, a grocery store, even a registry office – were built of wood by various teams. But they also printed money (for which they had to pay for building materials), built a bureaucracy, agreed laws and held elections. Opposition newspapers appeared accusing the “mayor” of failing to fight inflation, corruption and authoritarianism. Rival candidates posted flyers pleading for votes at tomorrow afternoon’s election. “It’s learning through play,” said Popov, who was running the “radio station” – a loud hailer. “We’ve got lots of young people in this country who are bright and ambitious and have ideas. But they lack one thing – experience. This kind thing – it’s a game, but it is a great way to give people experience of civic life.”

And at its best, that was what Seliger was all about. Most of the delegates won their places by submitting entrepreneurial projects to the Year of Youth website and they were there – at least nominally - to present business plans and seek investors.

There was obviously an ulterior motive. Just as the 2007 camp appealed to young patriots to reverse the collapsing birthrate by having children, Seliger 2009 was recruiting them to halt another negative trend – the brain drain. In a mock grave-yard black crosses bore the names of modern inventions, and the dates their Russian inventors emigrated abroad (a disproportionate number of them to Silicone Valley). The organizers of Seliger 2009 appeared to have gathered the best and brightest from Russia’s elite universities to show them two things: that there could be opportunities for them in Russia, and that it would be disastrous for the country were they to leave.

And there is nothing malignant about that. The people this writer met (there were some 8,000 people at the camp, so it is not a scientific sample), were far too bright to be brain washed. They were, like most of their generation, enquiring, educated, curious about the world and open to ideas in a way that their leaders are not. And they know it. “We have a different mentality to the generation in power now,” said Christina Vasileva, a 20 year old Ы TV staff member from Krasnodar. “We were born after the Cold War and the Soviet Union, and those memories to not affect our view of the world.”

That is true. And it is also true, as Irina Pakhmova, a 20 year old Nashi “commissar,” said, that “we are the future leaders of Russia” (she may have been speaking specifically about Nashi members, but it is also hopefully true of those outside the organization). The worry for critics of Seliger, such as Yashin, is that the older political generation, who sponsor it, use it to transmit their own ideology to the new - or at least stop the younger generation from questioning those assumptions.

And that makes some things about Seliger a little unsettling. Officious stewards armed with loud hailers yelled at stragglers on their way to the morning and evening roll call, although they didn’t seem to bother anyone. The video bridge with Medvedev was heavily stage managed, though more in a comic than sinister: once the entire camp was assembled in front of the cinema-sized screen at the center of the campsite, the campers were carefully marshaled into place, and coached on when to cheer and when to wave their flags. “And we need more people standing over there!” yelled the compere, gesturing to the right of the stage, “because that’s where the camera is going to be. And I know we have some rather menacing clouds, but if it starts to rain please nobody move!”

But the most bizarre moment came the evening before Medvedev’s video link, when Yakemenko himself took to the stage at the evening roll call to bawl out the crowd for their poor reception for Fursenko earlier that day. “I told you to come to me if you had a project you wanted to present,” he barked. “By yesterday evening, one person had come. Is everything in order?” he yelled rhetorically. The several-thousand-strong crowd of young adults, the innovative future of Russia unburdened by old assumptions, was cowed into silence like an assembly hall of school children being told they had disappointed their headmaster.

Koshka
07-14-2009, 06:51 AM
Seliger Lake – pearl of Russian nature


A pearl of Russian nature, Seliger Lake, is situated in the centre of the country between Moscow and St. Petersburg, amongst the forest territory of Valdai Hills. Seliger is a big and beautiful system of lakes linked by effluents, with a lot of small islands and is surrounded by forests, including pine woods rich in mushrooms and berries.

There are nearly 200 islands in the lake area; however, even scientists cannot give a certain number of islands in Seliger. The biggest island is Khachin with 13 inner lakes, and there are also very small lakes hardly reaching 10 metres in diameter. The landscapes surrounding Seliger seem ideal for fascinating adventures, fishing, hunt, and active rest. Here dwell more than 30 types of fish: first of all it is bream, pike, pickerel, cat-fish, perch, and roach.

Geographers deem that the lake has existed since the Ice Age (70-11 thousand years ago), and the multiple hills, lakes, bogs, and boulders are the traces of the ice shelf. The lake is considered very clear – its water transparency is 5 metres.

The modern names of the local lakes, rivers, and forests derive from the first dwellers of this area – Finns. Translated from Finnish, Seliger means “clear lake”, or “jagged lake”. The first records of Seliger date 11th-12th centuries; in those times the lake was most frequently called Sereger. This region has witnessed many important historical events – princely civil discords, Batyi`s horde, and the long and stubborn fighting against Polish and Lithuanian invaders. Peaceful silence, beauty of the lake, nature untouched by human hand, and clear air filled with forest smells are what attract citizens of big cities to Seliger from year to year.

However, Seliger can boast not only nature but its sightseeings and history which one can learn from an experienced local guide. Ancient churches and monasteries are situated along the lake shores and on the islands. Some of the monasteries are open for multiple tourists and pilgrims. The functioning monastery Nilova Pustyn` (Nil’s ashram) is considered to be the spiritual centre of the region, and is one of the greatest cultural monuments of the Orthodox culture. It is also possible to get to the top of the monastery’s bell tower and feast your eyes on the picturesque panorama of the lake, islands, villages, and churches on the lake shores.

Trips to Seliger lakes are one of the strongest impressions of travelling to the Seliger Region. All tourists coming here normally use two kinds of transportation: water transport and cars. Motor ship and bus lines link Ostashkov with many other towns located on the lake shores. Motor ship trips are incredibly popular here, but the other well-spread means of transport in the area is the bus. For the tourists travelling by car there are 3 stations of technical maintenance and several new filling stations; besides, it is planned to build a number of motels and camping. The natural and historical-cultural potential of Seliger attracts more than 300 thousand of tourists annually.

Lucker
07-14-2009, 06:55 AM
Thank you for that excellent report .
Were you there this year?
Are you a member of Nashi or an independent observer ?

CurlyDarling
07-14-2009, 07:00 AM
What's wrong in patriotic feelings of youngsters?

Koshka
07-14-2009, 07:02 AM
Take it easy, Ramon. I live near here :becky:

These are Moscow dudes spend their money here. :becky: :lol:

CurlyDarling
07-14-2009, 07:06 AM
Moscow dudes spend their money not in such places. This is a very good place for bringing up teenagers as patriots of Great Russia. These parts are very good for that.

Koshka
07-14-2009, 07:08 AM
Moscow dudes spend their money not in such places. .
really ? :lol: :lol: :lol:
i see you have never been here ;)

Koshka
07-14-2009, 07:09 AM
Moscow dudes spend their money not in such places. This is a very good place for bringing up teenagers as patriots of Great Russia. These parts are very good for that.

blah blah blah blah :eek:

Koshka
07-14-2009, 07:22 AM
Thank you for that excellent report .
Were you there this year?
Are you a member of Nashi or an independent observer ?

an independent apolitical observer ;)

CurlyDarling
07-14-2009, 07:26 AM
Didn't you read the article? It's not about blah-blah! It's about very serious things. I am not sure if it's dangerous to rise patriots or good. I still hope it's better than not pay attention to yongsters at all.

Koshka
07-14-2009, 07:29 AM
Didn't you read the article? It's not about blah-blah! It's about very serious things. I am not sure if it's dangerous to rise patriots or good. I still hope it's better than not pay attention to yongsters at all.

my reply has been only to your post Darling, you often like to write the slogans



why do I have to discuss very serious things with you? Sorry, but it is not intresting for me

CurlyDarling
07-14-2009, 07:57 AM
Neither for me. I can't imagine why you posted the article about Lake Seliger at all. You should have been sent to that camp by force, you might become more interested in the future of your country.

CurlyDarling
07-14-2009, 08:01 AM
By the way, I have never ever shouted slogans, it's not my way to talk to people. I prefer long detailed discussions. Slogans are for those whose vocabulary is poor. They are good for you, kiska!

Koshka
07-14-2009, 09:54 AM
By the way, I have never ever shouted slogans, it's not my way to talk to people. I prefer long detailed discussions. Slogans are for those whose vocabulary is poor. They are good for you, kiska!

I love you too

Lucker
07-14-2009, 10:07 AM
Marina is also badly out of order in another current Thread where she has deliberately sought to be offensive to someone who is not even here to reply on his own behalf .
I must remind you Marina that , a propos of nothing , you made accusations against me in a public Post before Christmas which represented total fantasy and deliberate falsehoods .
I told you then that such unprovoked behaviour would come home to haunt you , and now it has .
You are not a person who can be trusted .

CurlyDarling
07-14-2009, 10:14 AM
Neither are you, Ray.

CurlyDarling
07-14-2009, 10:21 AM
Where did you see any accusations made by me? I am only for good fathers and don't see anything bad if they remember and visit their children. On the contrary, I think it would be wrong not to go and see your child if you had a chance to be not far from him/her/ .Adults can do whatever they want with their lives but children mustn't be the victims of their parents' faults.

Lucker
07-14-2009, 10:22 AM
The difference is that I have given chapter and verse to support something .
You have just made up words to make you feel better and perhaps to appear brave in front of others .

That is the end of it for me in terms of writing accusatory notes .
But whilst I will continue to treat you exactly as I treat all others , I will never forget or forgive .

CurlyDarling
07-14-2009, 10:26 AM
Aren't you tired to be false with your fantasies about my fantasies? We both know what is the truth, so you'd better keep siulent, Ray. I see it's you who are haunted by your consciousness. I sleep well. The same to you.

CurlyDarling
07-14-2009, 10:27 AM
Neither will I.