Sarah Palin Our Gun Carrying,Beautiful Next Vice President

[IamKeenan]

No doubt about it Sarah Palin will be a major factor in Mccain winning this Election. Everytime I see her I become more smitten with her. And most of the USA feels the same way. Get ready world you are about to see a Hot Vice President take the Globe by Storm:yo:

[Lucker]

I guess it is quite possible to be struck by someone you oddly see as hot --- though what that has to do with good sense, balance and poise , I really do not know .Let alone , Politics .
My prediction is that she will be a liability come election time .
Once the novelty has worn off , she will grate badly on the ear .I thought her conference speech was vaudeville and somehow I found her somewhat cheap and tacky , but a type of American woman that a lot of weak men like .
Call me old fashioned , but I like my clowns in the circus .

[kentuckydan]

.
Call me old fashioned , but I like my clowns in the circus .


Shouldn't that last word have been parliament or are they synonyms? :faint:

[Lucker]

Mr Ken Smutty
The coverage we get of our Parliament's proceedings --- outside of Headline subjects --- is most unfortunate .
It tends to concentrate on the weekly session of PM's question time which has literally become a circus -- so your humour is well founded . Occasionally the humour is excellent and cruel .
The tragedy is that elsewhere in Parliament there is considerable expertise and even wisdom expressed very frequently and by a variety of clever and caring persons .
Alas , coverage of this is very limited , although better papers ( Telegraph , Times , Guardian and Independent ) do their best but inevitably need "hooks" on which to try and write lively and interesting reports .
Most of the work and progress goes on in a thousand different committees and you would have to be an unusual person ( and likely bore) to keep abreast of the minutae .
We have around 630 MPs which seems absurdly high for such a comparatively small place .However to democratically cull that number is probably impossible .
That's where and when Democracy becomes inefficient and a ficking nuisance .
Hope you did not know all of this already.

[beezneesman]

The problem with women in politics (e.g. Thatcher, Hillary Clinton and Palin) is that for male voters they tend to remind you of your ex-missus ;-) and the problem with seeing American politicians (male and female) making speeches at their party congresses is that you have to remember that such events in the USA are about as spontaneous as the old Soviet Communist Party Central Committee meetings back in the day.

Just because some doris gives good conference 'it does not a summer make':rolleyes:

[1amongmany]

The problem with women in politics (Thatcher, Hillary Clinton and Palin) is that for male voters they tend to remind you of your ex-missus ;-)

I think the problem is that they are judged by their looks....

[Lucker]

It just shows the differences in taste between the old cultured West of Europe compared to the younger , brash and impulsive Yankees .
Apparently they loved that Palin caricature woman .
The cognoscenti found her rather obvious and therefore vulgar .
I agree with Captain Beeswax , she does seem a poor man's nightmare .

[Neilikka]

The candidate for the Vice Presidency of the United States of America, whose experience in small town politics, mothers´day dos and the local hockey club is her claim to fame, threatened to open the gates of Hell by attacking Russia in the event of another invasion of Georgia in a televised interview on ABC (shown today). One question for this self-opinionated upstart: Do you know what a nuclear holocaust is?
Sarah Palin, Mrs. Nobody know-it-all shreiking cow from Alaska, the joke of American politics, plied with a couple of vodkas before letting rip in front of incredulous audiences while McCain coos in the background, cuts a ridiculous figure as she strives to be taken seriously.
How can anyone whose husband is a member of the Alaska Independence Party and who is running for the Vice Presidency of the Union be taken seriously? How indeed can the Republican Party be taken seriously for not vetting this female, or have they not yet discovered the skeletons in her closet? We have.
So Sarah Palin, Mrs. Hockey Mom housewife-cum-small-town gossip merchant and cheap little guttersnipe, suppose you shut up and allowed real politicians and diplomats to do their work? Threatening Russia with a war is perhaps the most irresponsible thing anyone could do at this moment in time. Have you any idea what a nuclear holocaust is? Have you any notion of the power of Russia’s armed forces? Did you know that Russia has enough missiles to destroy any target anywhere on Earth in seconds?
And have you not forgotten, you pith-headed little bimbo from the back of beyond, that small detail about the slaughter of Russian citizens by Georgians, which started the whole debacle? So next time suppose you keep your mouth shut and while you’re at it, make sure the members of your family keep their legs shut too. Your country has enough failed mothers as it is.

Timothy BANCROFT-HINCHEY

I beg you pardon. I have read this article today . What will you say about it?

[beezneesman]

I beg you pardon. I have read this article today . What will you say about it?

What was the source of that rant?

My personal view (which is of course of no importance in an election in a country that is not my own) is that she's a lightweight but then that never stopped other politicians getting elected before.

I think she has a small amount of experience of being a big fish in a small pond but that will count for nothing when she gets up against the big boys on the world stage and actually has to deal with balancing competing international interests. Let's hope that IF McCain is elected that he manages to get to the end of his term without going tits up.

[Lucker]

What an amazing article , Bella
Until I see that confirmed by BBC I assume it is a hoax or spoof .
Not even a Canadian ( Baked Alaskan , Eskimo , whatever ) could be that stupid .
It would be great if true .
Obama in , McCain back to slicing potatoes .
Republican , US male part of Forum in shreds .
Go on Palin . Get stuck into that Vodka . Nuke the Ruskies .

[Neilikka]

I have also read that palin's family and she herself are for the independence of Alaska.
What do you think about it?
Plucky small Alaska?

[Neilikka]

Ramon, it's impossible to nuke only Russians. You are too close to me. Haven't you noticed it before?:hug:

[huney]

The first installment of the interview with Charles Gibson as shown on ABC.

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[1amongmany]

I'm pretty sure this will be her last interview without reviewing the questions beforehand

[huney]

It just shows the differences in taste between the old cultured West of Europe compared to the younger , brash and impulsive Yankees .
Apparently they loved that Palin caricature woman .
The cognoscenti found her rather obvious and therefore vulgar .
I agree with Captain Beeswax , she does seem a poor man's nightmare .

IMO, Palin is an American woman's nightmare. If elected, this woman will be in a position to influence appointments to the Supreme Court. She has clearly stated her views on Roe v Wade. Her own daughter has proven that teaching abstinence-only simply does not work. And her refusal to allow her daughter access to contraception is nothing short of irresponsible.

[Lucker]

Well ,Tubby , Reindeer , Smutty ,and Bob
Looks like another woman has let you down grossly.
Like most men I guess you get too excited too quickly .
If we can help you in other ways , feel free ....

[Voobrazheniye]

The candidate for the Vice Presidency of the United States of America, whose experience in small town politics, mothers´day dos and the local hockey club is her claim to fame, threatened to open the gates of Hell by attacking Russia in the event of another invasion of Georgia in a televised interview on ABC (shown today). One question for this self-opinionated upstart: Do you know what a nuclear holocaust is?
Sarah Palin, Mrs. Nobody know-it-all shreiking cow from Alaska, the joke of American politics, plied with a couple of vodkas before letting rip in front of incredulous audiences while McCain coos in the background, cuts a ridiculous figure as she strives to be taken seriously.
How can anyone whose husband is a member of the Alaska Independence Party and who is running for the Vice Presidency of the Union be taken seriously? How indeed can the Republican Party be taken seriously for not vetting this female, or have they not yet discovered the skeletons in her closet? We have.
So Sarah Palin, Mrs. Hockey Mom housewife-cum-small-town gossip merchant and cheap little guttersnipe, suppose you shut up and allowed real politicians and diplomats to do their work? Threatening Russia with a war is perhaps the most irresponsible thing anyone could do at this moment in time. Have you any idea what a nuclear holocaust is? Have you any notion of the power of Russia’s armed forces? Did you know that Russia has enough missiles to destroy any target anywhere on Earth in seconds?
And have you not forgotten, you pith-headed little bimbo from the back of beyond, that small detail about the slaughter of Russian citizens by Georgians, which started the whole debacle? So next time suppose you keep your mouth shut and while you’re at it, make sure the members of your family keep their legs shut too. Your country has enough failed mothers as it is.

Timothy BANCROFT-HINCHEY

I beg you pardon. I have read this article today . What will you say about it?

Well, Marina... nice to see that you get your information from unbiased and objective sources. :rolleyes:

[Neilikka]

You know my sources of information. I have never hidden them. Yes, I read Pravda and The Moscow News. What's wrong with them?

[Hoopy]

You know my sources of information. I have never hidden them. Yes, I read Pravda and The Moscow News. What's wrong with them?
nothing at all apart from how biased they are.

[brown-raider]

Well ,Tubby , Reindeer , Smutty ,and Bob
Looks like another woman has let you down grossly.
Like most men I guess you get too excited too quickly .
If we can help you in other ways , feel free ....[COLOR="Sienna"]If your comments were written without homo tendencies towards your god, the big eared one you'd be more credible, and now since you teamed up with Cruella Devil you have lost credibility on this one. It's not by coincidence the commie Crew want the big eared one as Prez. They should have kept the big eared one in the circus right along side you Bozo.. it's fun having you back, i have to have someone besides slushy hooy to throw bricks at :yo:COLOR]

[brown-raider]

try using the rag your reading to wash some dishesI have also read that palin's family and she herself are for the independence of Alaska.
What do you think about it?
Plucky small Alaska?

[brown-raider]

I think the problem is that they are judged by their looks....yeah that hillary was a looker... if your desperate and blind, i wouldn't touch her with Ramons hands:yo:

[RiverRock]

And have you not forgotten, you pith-headed little bimbo from the back of beyond, that small detail about the slaughter of Russian citizens by Georgians, which started the whole debacle? So next time suppose you keep your mouth shut and while you’re at it, make sure the members of your family keep their legs shut too. Your country has enough failed mothers as it is.


Timothy BANCROFT-HINCHEY



Does anyone really need to give their opinion on this? Isn't it obvious. PRAVDA is full of crap and letting such an ahole of a man write articles for them says alot about their "news".

[huney]

Does anyone really need to give their opinion on this?

I think you just did... :rolleyes:

[Mnguy2007]

The only thing I liked about it was the guys first name.:becky:
The rest speaks for itself.

[Sveta's Hero]

The article is not professional journalism. It's gutter talk.

[huney]

yeah that hillary was a looker... if your desperate and blind, i wouldn't touch her with Ramons hands:yo:

Roman would cut his hands off if you touched her with them :becky:

[krevedko]

Roman would cut his hands off if you touched her with them :becky:

Depends on where you put em.
Do you think he'd minded if they were placed tightly on her neck? :becky:

[huney]

Depends on where you put em.
Do you think he'd minded if they were placed tightly on her neck? :becky:
:nono::nono::nono::faint:

[kentuckydan]

I have also read that palin's family and she herself are for the independence of Alaska.
What do you think about it?
Plucky small Alaska?

Of course you read that, and while it is true Todd Palin was in the past a member it is not true that she was.

I believe I have answered this before.

[Lucker]

Looks as though she is shaping up to be a tip top unaware suicide bomber .
Could be the first candidate to lose her side an election just because of her appalling voice .
Good job she was not raised down in Elvis country . She would be a certain KKK Wizard(ess)with her soul mates Reindeer and General Tubby. ROFL

[kentuckydan]

The candidate for the Vice Presidency of the United States of America, whose experience in small town politics, mothers´day dos and the local hockey club is her claim to fame, threatened to open the gates of Hell by attacking Russia in the event of another invasion of Georgia in a televised interview on ABC (shown today).
I beg you pardon. I have read this article today . What will you say about it?


I will respond to the first two items. Her claim to fame was rooting out corruption in her own Party, rallying the People of Alaska to accompish this by defeating the Republican Party establishment and a former Democratic Governor to be elected Governor herself and acheiving an almost unheard of 80% approval rating from the citizens of her State as a result of her activities.

her small town political experience came at the same time as Obama's Illionois State Senate Experience, except that as an Exeuctive/Mayor, voting Present was not an option for her as it was for Obama in the Illinois State Senate,

As for attacking Russia? She made no such threat just itemised the duties of a NATO Treaty signatory.

[IamKeenan]

Looks as though she is shaping up to be a tip top unaware suicide bomber .
Could be the first candidate to lose her side an election just because of her appalling voice .
Good job she was not raised down in Elvis country . She would be a certain KKK Wizard(ess)with her soul mates Reindeer and General Tubby. ROFL


Hey We could use a strong woman in the Klan!!:lol:

[kentuckydan]

Looks as though she is shaping up to be a tip top unaware suicide bomber .
Could be the first candidate to lose her side an election just because of her appalling voice .
Good job she was not raised down in Elvis country . She would be a certain KKK Wizard(ess)with her soul mates Reindeer and General Tubby. ROFL

You know? Increasing the trend of her party, not only in the Presidential Election
but accross the board seems like an odd way of "losing her side an election"

Of course the total ineptitude of the Left and the Obama campaign in reaction'
to Palin probably is were most of the credit for recent trends should go.

[IamKeenan]

Sarah Palin Training Video Kuwait 2007 (Chew on this Ramitin)


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[IamKeenan]

[QUOTE=ramonrive;7089]Looks as though she is shaping up to be a tip top unaware suicide bomber .

[brown-raider]

RAMONA for someone who claims to not be prejudice, you sure show a distain for this lovely woman... are you fookin jealous or what? your wig and high heels aren't working for you anymore? woman hater.. you and the Taliban have a few things in common... are you sure your last name is Rivera?:confused:

[1amongmany]

I will respond to the first two items. Her claim to fame was rooting out corruption in her own Party, rallying the People of Alaska to accompish this by defeating the Republican Party establishment and a former Democratic Governor to be elected Governor herself and acheiving an almost unheard of 80% approval rating from the citizens of her State as a result of her activities.

almost all elected officials have a high approval rating in the first two years, but it dropped after the "troopergate" problem she had which is still haunting her, I have read her approval rating as a governor has dipped to the low 60's

[kentuckydan]

Looks as though she is shaping up to be a tip top unaware suicide bomber .
Could be the first candidate to lose her side an election just because of her appalling voice .
Good job she was not raised down in Elvis country . She would be a certain KKK Wizard(ess)with her soul mates Reindeer and General Tubby. ROFL

I am curious Ramon, exactly what source do you claim indicates that Palin is a KKK type?

Her marriage to someone of Indian ancestory?

His mother, a former secretary of the Alaska Federation of Natives, is one-quarter Yup'ik, and his maternal grandmother, Lena Andre, is a member of the Curyung tribe

[Lucker]

The heart of the problem .
This Palin woman is not good looking by any outside and detached informed opinion .
She actually is the grown up version of your Barbie doll with one or two added features ( I love a big gun ) that appeal to the immature side of a still young race .
Do you remember when the Wild West ran out of steam and men strutting around still wearing guns on their belts looked silly ?
They brought in figures like Calamity Jane and Annie Oakley in desperate unconscious attempts to keep the camp fire burning a little longer .
You are in the equivalent position .
The sun is fading on your time as the mightiest power and leader of the pack .
You cannot stand the thought .
In fact it is so painful that you cannot even admit the possibility of its truth .
The Palin woman is your Calamity Jane .
Calamity is exactly right .
And that is why you need Change .

[kentuckydan]

almost all elected officials have a high approval rating in the first two years, but it dropped after the "troopergate" problem she had which is still haunting her, I have read her approval rating as a governor has dipped to the low 60's

How Popular is Gov. Palin?
In Alaska, really, really popular.

Posted by: Adam C

Wednesday, September 3, 2008 at 05:12PM
(http://www.redstate.com/diaries/redstate/2008/sep/03/how-popular-is-gov-palin/)

The McCain team is sending out poll results from a new American Viewpoint poll of 400 RVs. The campaign did not commission this poll.

Job Approval for Gov. Palin: 86%
Among Independents: 86%
Among Democrats: 75%


From the Atlantic

McCain Campaign Touts Palin's Popularity In Alaska (http://marcambinder.theatlantic.com/archives/2008/09/mccain_campaign_touts_palins_p.php)

In a memo, which you can read, in full, after the jump.
To: McCain Strategy Team

From: Linda DiVall and Randall Gutermuth

Re: Key Findings from Alaska Statewide

Date: September 3, 2008



American Viewpoint conducted 400 interviews with registered voters in Alaska on the evening of September 2, 2008 on behalf of McCain for President. The margin of error for the entire sample is +/- 4.9% at the 85% confidence level. Key findings are summarized below.



Alaskans hold Governor Palin in very high regard. They have rallied behind her and because they know her so well and have seen her perform her job so aptly over the past two years they believe that she, like every other working parent in America, can absolutely handle the demands of her family as well as the demands of running for Vice-President.



The special investigation appears to be politically inspired but voters support a full investigation. The McCain-Palin ticket performs well in Alaska and leads by a 24-point margin.



Governor Sarah Palin remains extremely well regarded in Alaska.



· Her job approval rating is astoundingly high with an 86% overall approval rating and 63% strongly approving of her job performance. Independents approve by a margin of 86% - 10% and there is absolutely no gender gap. 97% of Republicans approve of the job she is doing as do 75% of Democrats. She receives high job approval ratings across all regions of Alaska.



The Obama strategy of targeting and attempting to win Alaska is a fantasy. The McCain-Palin ticket holds a commanding ballot advantage over Obama-Biden, winning 57% - 33%.

[kentuckydan]

, but it dropped after the "troopergate" problem she had which is still haunting her,


I will respond to that with a video I posted earlier, keep in mind the man interviewed is a long time political figure in Alaska in the DEMOCRATIC Party,

Please notice what HE says about Troopergate, or as some of us call it Tasergate.

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[brown-raider]

The heart of the problem .
This Palin woman is not good looking by any outside and detached informed opinion .
She actually is the grown up version of your Barbie doll with one or two added features ( I love a big gun ) that appeal to the immature side of a still young race .
Do you remember when the Wild West ran out of steam and men strutting around still wearing guns on their belts looked silly ?
They brought in figures like Calamity Jane and Annie Oakley in desperate unconscious attempts to keep the camp fire burning a little longer .
You are in the equivalent position .
The sun is fading on your time as the mightiest power and leader of the pack .
You cannot stand the thought .
In fact it is so painful that you cannot even admit the possibility of its truth .
The Palin woman is your Calamity Jane .
Calamity is exactly right .
And that is why you need Change .change too what? you never answer that!

[beezneesman]

change too what? you never answer that!

Speaking as an outsider looking in I would say that the type of 'reorientation' that the USA needs right now (but which it won't get for all kinds of reasons that are too numerous to list on this forum) is to have a leadership that has the balls to actually plan for and effectively manage your imperial decline.

At the moment you're in a 'naked emperor' situation that all of those who seek to rule over you are refusing to acknowledge in public. Unlike the UK and France who have been through the process over the last 60 years and emerged materially richer I can't see the population of the USA emerging from it richer and stronger unless there is a fundamental change in mind-set.

Until you stop being fed and stop believing the notion that you are some sort of exceptional nation and God's chosen people you will continue to be a freight train heading downhill with no brakes.

[Lucker]

Not surprisingly I have blown another puff of fresh air into the Forum by Thanking Captain Beeswax for his last Post
I refer you to my Post on another Topic ( they all blur together in my mind) where I compare today with that period when you changed from the Wild West to an infant democracy, even though you went there kicking and screaming . Another big "Change" time .
In this context , your apparent refusal to recognise the exact meaning of the word "Change" is all revealing in my humble estimation .
It's a bit like Therapy , I feel . Unless you work it out yourself , you are not ready to accept Change . It sounds trite but it is a classic case of selective blindness. Even selective selfish blindness .

[kentuckydan]

even though you went there kicking and screaming . Another big "Change" time .
In this context , your apparent refusal to recognise the exact meaning of the word "Change" is all revealing in my humble estimation .
It's a bit like Therapy , I feel . Unless you work it out yourself , you are not ready to accept Change . It sounds trite but it is a classic case of selective blindness. Even selective selfish blindness .

Actually I pegged you for your own version of selective blindness

You spout about Change that Obama represents you are silent about his
actual record.

You either choose to ignore his past activities or have absolutley no Knowledge of them

The latter places you in the same intellectual category in regards Obama's promise of Change as the Victim of a Pigeon Drop

[kentuckydan]

Maybe P.T. Barnum was a master of understatement????

[beezneesman]

Actually I pegged you for your own version of selective blindness

You spout about Change that Obama represents you are silent about his
actual record.

You either choose to ignore his past activities or have absolutley no Knowledge of them

The latter places you in the same intellectual category in regards Obama's promise of Change as the Victim of a Pigeon Drop

I think you're making an assumption that Ramon thinks Obama is the man to bring about real change. That wasn't necessarily my reading of his views unless I have missed something in the myriad of threads/posts on the US elections

[beezneesman]

This says it all really.

From Saturday Night Live

http://www.nbc.com/Saturday_Night_Live/video/clips/palin-hillary-open/656281/

[fbibob]

threatened to open the gates of Hell by attacking Russia in the event of another invasion of Georgia in a televised interview on ABC

Basically, she was asked if she would support admitting Georgia and the Ukraine to NATO. She said yes.

The interviewer asked if she would then support war with Russia if it invaded those countries.

And she said that was what the existance of a NATO treaty would require.

Which is the very simple truth. And it may cause NATO members to think very hard about extending membership to nations that are threatened by Russia, because most of them are afraid of the consequences (Military and Energy) of protecting anybody, including themselves.....

Of course, if these countries were NATO allies, Russia would then have a good reason to not invade them because of the extra strength provided to them by the NATO members (mostly America.)

But only biased, slanted reporting can turn her statements into a declaration that she wants nuclear with Russia. This reporting is, of course, available to those who wish to read and believe it.

[zoroooo]

Basically, she was asked if she would support admitting Georgia and the Ukraine to NATO. She said yes.

The interviewer asked if she would then support war with Russia if it invaded those countries.

And she said that was what the existance of a NATO treaty would require.

Which is the very simple truth. And it may cause NATO members to think very hard about extending membership to nations that are threatened by Russia, because most of them are afraid of the consequences (Military and Energy) of protecting anybody, including themselves.....

Of course, if these countries were NATO allies, Russia would then have a good reason to not invade them because of the extra strength provided to them by the NATO members (mostly America.)

But only biased, slanted reporting can turn her statements into a declaration that she wants nuclear with Russia. This reporting is, of course, available to those who wish to read and believe it.

what did nato and America when two members got in war Greece and the Turcs.

You put all simplistic because it fits your propaganda.



friendly

[beezneesman]

what did nato and America when two members got in war Greece and the Turcs.

You put all simplistic because it fits your propaganda.



friendly

IIRC
Turkey invaded Cyprus. Turkey was (and still is) a NATO member but Cyprus was not. I don't recall Greece getting militarily involved in the conflict. So it is not the same situation as a NATO member being attacked or two NATO members fighting.

[kentuckydan]

I think you're making an assumption that Ramon thinks Obama is the man to bring about real change. That wasn't necessarily my reading of his views unless I have missed something in the myriad of threads/posts on the US elections

I got that impression so let us both put it to Ramon.

The continous praise of Obama?

Irony or you real opinion???

[zoroooo]

IIRC
Turkey invaded Cyprus. Turkey was (and still is) a NATO member but Cyprus was not. I don't recall Greece getting militarily involved in the conflict. So it is not the same situation as a NATO member being attacked or two NATO members fighting.


Ok, now this turcs invading Cyprus and the greeks suporting greek cypriots..Lol the spirit the situationis the same.

Think more...is"t as the "vice president to be" Palin thinks and it seems lot of you think as well.

[IamKeenan]

The heart of the problem .
This Palin woman is not good looking by any outside and detached informed opinion .
She actually is the grown up version of your Barbie doll with one or two added features ( I love a big gun ) that appeal to the immature side of a still young race .
Do you remember when the Wild West ran out of steam and men strutting around still wearing guns on their belts looked silly ?
They brought in figures like Calamity Jane and Annie Oakley in desperate unconscious attempts to keep the camp fire burning a little longer .
You are in the equivalent position .
The sun is fading on your time as the mightiest power and leader of the pack .
You cannot stand the thought .
In fact it is so painful that you cannot even admit the possibility of its truth .
The Palin woman is your Calamity Jane .
Calamity is exactly right .
And that is why you need Change .


Again you get the Anti-Smiley,and you lucky you did not get my Bush Buddy!!!

[RiverRock]

Ramonrive: The sun is fading on your time as the mightiest power and leader of the pack .
You cannot stand the thought .
In fact it is so painful that you cannot even admit the possibility of its truth .

I wouldn't care at all if America wasn't the mightiest power and leader of the pack. (Americans are not like the French in this matter;) ) It is not the easiest position to hold. As long as the new leader country is good. I am tired of a lot of the world's complaining and hatred. America never asked or wanted to lead the world. It kind of just happened. So far I prefer the way America lead the world compared to the British empire or Rome. Or the way Russian government and China would lead if given the opportunity.


Ramonrive: This Palin woman is not good looking by any outside and detached informed opinion .

Palin IS good looking, especially for a politician. The only politician that I can think of that could compare from the last 100 years, which wouldn't you know it, is in Ukraine:

http://img155.imageshack.us/img155/3811/tymoshenkobp7.jpg

... Ok, give one point to Ukraine.

[brown-raider]

Not surprisingly I have blown another puff of fresh air into the Forum by Thanking Captain Beeswax for his last Post
I refer you to my Post on another Topic ( they all blur together in my mind) where I compare today with that period when you changed from the Wild West to an infant democracy, even though you went there kicking and screaming . Another big "Change" time .
In this context , your apparent refusal to recognise the exact meaning of the word "Change" is all revealing in my humble estimation .
It's a bit like Therapy , I feel . Unless you work it out yourself , you are not ready to accept Change . It sounds trite but it is a classic case of selective blindness. Even selective selfish blindness .Ray and bezzzebee you both still have failed too answer the question what change? instead of sounding like snakeoiul peddlers. lets see what answers you have gathered from Obamas mouth since you sit on every word... do you call him apollo now by the way?

[Lucker]

Let's see .......

Firstly , Marlon --- normally a great guy except when he is discussing Olympic medals .
I don't necessarily applaud the fact that the sun is going down on your time as the most powerful force on the planet . I just record it and some of you cannot hack that thought . As it happens, I am not very keen yet on the Politics of China or India but in the culture stakes , your heritage does not even reach the starting line in comparison , imo
Looks are subjective , as we both know . The fact that some Americans like grown up versions of Barbie is an indisputable fact . I don't particularly .
We have had the Julia Timaschenko looks chat several moons ago . Take it from me , she is fading fast though I will admit she still had something even six or seven years ago . She is not a nice person and it is beginning to show in her face -- compare photos from even three years ago . And without make up she is covered in wrinkles . Honest . Also , she is trying to sell Ukraine down the river.

As for our two resident racists and their desperate need to have Change explained .
If you see your country as I and many others do , we are simply not interested in the details of Taxes Up or Taxes Down . Regardless , it will all come to the same ending with the social divide remaining horrendous .
You need a new Zeitgeist and the last thing you should be even contemplating in any shade is a repeat of recent times . Any association with arguably the most ignorant regime we have seen in modern times will condemn you to oblivion in the rest of the world's eyes .
This time there is a bigger picture that needs addressing and its resolution will not come out of the details of party differences .
As I have said before , you need a Messiah along the lines of a Luther King or a Mandela . An inspirational figure .
Maggie Thatcher saved Great Britain from oblivion, even if her understanding of social matters was awful . She re- introduced concepts like basic responsibility ,honesty and financial temperance into people's thoughts .
Her tenure can be ripped to pieces in the details but she addressed the greater picture and tried to change the moral structure of her country and put the Great back alongside Britain .
Make no mistake , we were going down the plug hole in the early seventies and whilst you can probably write a book about her mistakes , she gave Britain back the possibility of behaving with honour and dignity internally and in the rest of the world's opinion .
Those years with Reagan and Gorbachev were halycon , whatever Russians have been taught to believe otherwise .
That's the sort of perspective you need and I hope there are enough brave Americans to see and understand that in a few weeks time .
I am taking no questions . You either grudgingly admit the possibility of this vision or you continue to shout slogans . It's your future but I would like it to be ours , if possible .
You need to be seen to be addressing moral and ethical issues and handling the world with vision and a far greater degree of unselfishness .All imo naturally
And if you tell me that McCain can do this , we are simply light years apart in our basic positions .

[beezneesman]

Ok, now this turcs invading Cyprus and the greeks suporting greek cypriots..Lol the spirit the situationis the same.

But Greece did not get involved in the fighting!!! So it was never a case of 2 NATO members in combat with each other which is the situation that you were describing?

Are you what's known as 'special' or something? :rolleyes:

[Hoopy]

Are you what's known as 'special' or something? :rolleyes:No he's just from Belgium :lol:

[kentuckydan]

You either grudgingly admit the possibility of this vision or you continue to shout slogans . It's your future but I would like it to be ours , if possible .
You need to be seen to be addressing moral and ethical issues and handling the world with vision and a far greater degree of unselfishness .All imo naturally
And if you tell me that McCain can do this , we are simply light years apart in our basic positions .


and I fail to see how a corrupt Cook County Chicago, Daley Maching Politician can do it either?

So we are S&**d I guess IYO

[beezneesman]

Ray and bezzzebee you both still have failed too answer the question what change? instead of sounding like snakeoiul peddlers. lets see what answers you have gathered from Obamas mouth since you sit on every word... do you call him apollo now by the way?

What makes you think I have any interest in Obama? You don't get it do? You've got that whole simplistic 'the world is black and white' thing going on haven't you. Obama is as much as symptom of a tired, hypocritical, corrupt, morally, physically and financially bankrupt system as McCain and Bush. They all just offer slightly different flavours of horsesh1t.

As for changes start abroad first with less of the global Keystone Cops routine. You're going to need to start withdrawing from Empire or the centre will go first.

You're going to need to completely restructure the way your society works to cope with the coming resource shortages.

And by the way before you go into ostrich mode and try to avoid having to think about what I am saying by accusing me of being anti American etc etc I think the same applies equally to my country!

Start studying how America coped with the great depression of the 1930s.

[fbibob]

Start studying how America coped with the great depression of the 1930s.

You really don't want this. Many people think that America recovered from the depression in the 1930s by the 'New Deal' programs of Roosevelt. In reality, the actual recovery came from the military construction brought about from World War II.

By the way, why is it that the world seems to be angry because they think the US tries to be the world's policeman, but the world also thinks that the USA has an obligation to be the world's 'meals on wheels' provider for anybody with a natural disaster?

[Lucker]

By the way, why is it that the world seems to be angry because they think the US tries to be the world's policeman, but the world also thinks that the USA has an obligation to be the world's 'meals on wheels' provider for anybody with a natural disaster? [/COLOR][/QUOTE]


I really do not believe that this is how it works , Bob
People collectively invariably behave badly and settle someway toward the the most selfish common denominator imo
They hate being told what to do and how to do it . Natural rebellion .Lots of resentment .
They take what you hand out and simply expect more each time .
Golden rule -- never give anything to anybody unless you dislike them .
Tragic . But it's the way people are .

[beezneesman]

but the world also thinks that the USA has an obligation to be the world's 'meals on wheels' provider for anybody with a natural disaster?

Well I don't know what other people think about that but personally I don't expect it. The USA is actually not particularly generous irt its GDP anyway. They promise much but don't necessarily deliver on what they promise (with the 2004 tsunami being a good example)

[fbibob]

I remember watching a CNN report on some disaster (Africa somewhere) where some man was angrily shouting 'Where is America?" He expected US aid to appear and was angry that it was not there already. The US is the source of so much of the food and first aid in the case of natural disasters overseas that it seems many feel it is an automatic obligation.

[beezneesman]

I remember watching a CNN report on some disaster (Africa somewhere) where some man was angrily shouting 'Where is America?" He expected US aid to appear and was angry that it was not there already. The US is the source of so much of the food and first aid in the case of natural disasters overseas that it seems many feel it is an automatic obligation.

An anecdotal survey of one is of course highly reliable

[kentuckydan]

They promise much but don't necessarily deliver on what they promise (with the 2004 tsunami being a good example)


That's right we didn't do anything at all did we?

Wonder how much the US taxpayer shelled out for the Carrier Battle Group that we used in the Relief operation?

We have done that type of stuff before and unlike other nations we have never billed the UN or anyone else for the expenses.

Tell me has the EU figured out yet who is going to supply and pay for the 2 dozen or so helicopters needed for the Dafur Peacekeeping mission?

It does seem they have been stalled on that issue for a fair bit.

Darfur helicopter plea on first anniversary
Thursday, 31 Jul 2008 14:28 (http://www.inthenews.co.uk/news/autocodes/countries/ukraine/darfur-helicopter-plea-on-first-anniversary-$1234187.htm)

The international community has been condemned for failing to provide the helicopters desperately needed by peacekeepers in Sudan's Darfur region.

A report published on the first anniversary of the UN's approval for a peacekeeping force notes with frustration the ongoing shortage of air support for troops on the ground.

None of the 18 transport helicopters requested by the United Nations-African Union Mission in Darfur (Unamid) have been delivered, a state of affairs attacked by statesmen including Archbishop Desmond Tutu, senior UN diplomat Lakhdar Brahimi, former US president Jimmy Carter and south African politician Graca Machel.

They point out the report's findings that a number of countries, including the Czech Republic, India, Italy, Romania, Spain and Ukraine, have the helicopters required and which are not on active duty.

"Many of these helicopters are gathering dust in hangars or flying in air shows when they could be saving lives in Darfur," the write in the report's foreword.

It suggests Nato member states alone could provide 104 helicopters for the Darfur region


Ah I see the US is being called upon to step up in that regards

Helicopters for Darfur (http://www.savedarfur.org/pages/helicopters)
Sign the Petition. Help Find Helicopters for Darfur!
President Bush, the people of Darfur have waited long enough. You must do everything in your power to secure the 24 helicopters necessary to make the peacekeeping mission for Darfur a successful one.


America, we do that jobs other nations refuse to

[kentuckydan]

The US Government pledge about 350 Million
US Businesses pledged about 500 Million

An Associated Press poll revealed that 30% of American households had donated to the relief efforts within two weeks of the disaster (El Nasser 2005). All told, U.S. charities received approximately $1.6 billion in private donations for the purposes of tsunami relief (Wallace and Wilhelm 2005).

[kentuckydan]

Are Americans willing to donate to charity??

Well here is a set of interesting facts

Total Income Tax revenue for the Federal Government per year is about 1 Trillion Dollars

Total US Personal donations to Charity per year is about 250 Billion Dollars

Which is roughly comparable to what the bottom 90% of Americans pay in Income tax

[beezneesman]

Are Americans willing to donate to charity??

Well here is a set of interesting facts

Total Income Tax revenue for the Federal Government per year is about 1 Trillion Dollars

Total US Personal donations to Charity per year is about 250 Billion Dollars

Which is roughly comparable to what the bottom 90% of Americans pay in Income tax


Yeah right and I bet most of it gets spent on handing out bibles to starving people :rolleyes:

On a more serious note the sums are large because the American economy is large but in relation to the size of the economy the amount of money donated and spent is not more generous than a lot of other countries (including the UK) - and American aid from government sources usually has a lot of strings attached. I mentioned the tsunami (and post tsunami reconstruction) in particular - the Indonesians were not happy that the funds actually received from the the USA were a lot lower than what was pledged. If you're not going to deliver it don't promise it in the first place it only annoys people when you do that.

[kentuckydan]

Yeah right and I bet most of it gets spent on handing out bibles to starving people :rolleyes:

On a more serious note the sums are large because the American economy is large but in relation to the size of the economy the amount of money donated and spent is not more generous than a lot of other countries (including the UK) - and American aid from government sources usually has a lot of strings attached. I mentioned the tsunami (and post tsunami reconstruction) in particular - the Indonesians were not happy that the funds actually received from the the USA were a lot lower than what was pledged. If you're not going to deliver it don't promise it in the first place it only annoys people when you do that.

Of course it just passed over your head that donations from private sources were 5 to 6 times what the government pledged?

We give a lot despite knowing that there will the inevitable complaining that we should give more. Talk about gratitude.

By the way, can you source "funds actually received from the the USA were a lot lower than what was pledged"

I tried to find the figures, I did find that U.S. Nearly Triples Tsunami Aid Pledge, to $950 Million (http://www.nytimes.com/2005/02/10/politics/10aid.html)

I also found that if we are reneging on our pledges we seem to have a lot of company

Scandal dogs tsunami aid pledges (http://archive.gulfnews.com/indepth/tsunami/more_stories/151948.html)

Just seven weeks after the tsunami horror, aid agencies have condemned broken aid pledges as a scandal.

More than $5 billion (Dh18.37 billion) was initially promised to help rebuild shattered lives and communities. Less than a third has been donated, according to the United Nations.


Not an isolated case it seems either

In 1998 Hurricane Mitch tore through Central America. Almost $9 billion pledged, nearly double the tsunami pledges, yet just $3 billion delivered.

Survivors of the the Bam earthquake in Iran exactly a year before the tsunami tragedy, have seen a small fraction of of the aid promised.

More than forty nations pledged more than $1.1 billion towards Bam relief and rehabilitation. Yet Iran states that only about $17.5 million was actually delivered.

There is one REALLY odd fact in this article

Neither is it just the fact that pledges have been broken.

"There is no tracking system. We know from our people on the ground roughly how much money has been given, but we need a proper system to keep track of the money promised. However, the United Nations refuses to do it."


Could it be that the UN handles disaster relief funds with the same attention, care and dilligence that it used with the Iraq Food For Oil Program??

[beezneesman]

Of course it just passed over your head that donations from private sources were 5 to 6 times what the government pledged?

We give a lot despite knowing that there will the inevitable complaining that we should give more. Talk about gratitude.




Well these occasional forays into do-gooding are just one side of the equation but should not be considered in isolation. The other side of the equation has to be considered as well to see where the balance lies. My personal view is that the global harm done by USA over say the last 50 years in terms of political, military, economic and environmental interventions and damage has vastly outweighed any good that may be derived from short term aid efforts.

[kentuckydan]

Well these occasional forays into do-gooding are just one side of the equation but should not be considered in isolation. The other side of the equation has to be considered as well to see where the balance lies. My personal view is that the global harm done by USA over say the last 50 years in terms of political, military, economic and environmental interventions and damage has vastly outweighed any good that may be derived from short term aid efforts.

So the US should have reverted to the same isolationist policies as after WWI withdrawn to it's own borders and considered any possible difficulties between Western Europe and the Soviet Union as a European Problem?

No Berlin Airlift etc, just let y'al settle your differences diplomatically.

Wonder how long before the long worried about drive West through the Fulda Gap came about?

[beezneesman]

So the US should have reverted to the same isolationist policies as after WWI withdrawn to it's own borders and considered any possible difficulties between Western Europe and the Soviet Union as a European Problem?

No Berlin Airlift etc, just let y'al settle your differences diplomatically.

Wonder how long before the long worried about drive West through the Fulda Gap came about?

Well seeing as even with the US Army etc in West Germany the plan was basically to go nuclear if the solids hit the air conditioning in the event of an attack on AFCENT it's hard to see what the marginal benefit of the US being there actually was (and by the way I spent several years in Germany preparing to fend off the red hordes for a short time before the button got pressed)!

[1amongmany]

Wonder how long before the long worried about drive West through the Fulda Gap came about?

the only ones worried about the Fulda Gap were the Blackhorse Soldiers :rolleyes:

[kentuckydan]

Anti-Americanism in Europe Fueled by Ignorance (http://pajamasmedia.com/blog/anti-americanism-in-europe-is-fueled-by-ignorance/)

Those who know the least about America seem to hate it the most

September 15, 2008 - by Soeren Kern

Soeren Kern is Senior Fellow for Transatlantic Relations at the Madrid-based Grupo de Estudios Estratégicos / Strategic Studies Group

More than 50 percent of Britons believe that polygamy is legal in the United States; in fact, it is illegal in all 50 states. Almost one-third of Britons believe that Americans who have not paid their hospital fees or insurance premiums are not entitled to emergency medical care; in fact, such treatment must be provided by law.

Seventy percent of Britons think the United States has done a worse job than the European Union in reducing carbon emissions since 2000; in fact, America’s rate of growth of carbon emissions has decreased by almost ten percent since 2000, while that of the EU has increased by 2.3 percent.

Eighty percent of Britons believe that “from 1973 to 1990, the United States sold Saddam Hussein more than a quarter of his weapons.” In fact, the United States sold just 0.46 percent of Saddam’s arsenal to him; Russia, France, and China supplied 57 percent, 13 percent, and 12 percent, respectively.

The majority of Britons believe that since the Second World War, the United States has more often sided with non-Muslims than with Muslims. In fact, in 11 out of 12 major conflicts between Muslims and non-Muslims, Muslims and secular forces, or Arabs and non-Arabs, the United States has sided with Muslims and/or Arabs.

Indeed, a new opinion poll finds that British attitudes towards the United States are governed by ignorance of the facts on key issues such as crime, health care, and foreign policy. The survey was commissioned by America in the World, a London-based group that hopes to push back against rampant anti-Americanism in the United Kingdom by dispelling widely held myths about the United States.

But Britons are not the only Europeans who hold unbalanced views of the United States.

Take Germans, for example. The majority of them believe that America poses a greater threat to world peace than does Iran. This after the United States helped Germans rebuild their country after World War Two and then provided for their defense during five decades of the Cold War.

Meanwhile, six years after 9/11, growing numbers of Germans think the U.S. government is responsible for the destruction of the World Trade Center. As for the next generation of Germans, according to a recent poll of Berlin youth, only one-third of the city’s 15- to 17-year-old students know who built the Berlin Wall. Almost 14 percent think it was built by the Allies; two percent believe it was built by the United States.

The French, of course, are famous for heaping scorn on American fast food. But France’s dirty little culinary secret is that one out of every two French people visit McDonald’s at least once a year. In fact, McDonald’s is so popular in France that the country is now McDonald’s second-biggest moneymaker in the world after the United States. (McDonald’s success is spreading throughout the rest of Europe, too, where sales growth is outpacing that in America. McDonald’s is now one of the biggest private-sector employers on the continent, with a workforce of some 300,000.)

Among Spaniards, 80 percent of whom claim to be cultural Roman Catholics, a common stereotype is that Americans are individualistic and lack family values. But Spain now has the highest divorce rate in Europe; in 2007, Spain registered one divorce for every 2.3 marriages, or 44 percent. By contrast, the divorce rate in the United States has never exceeded 41 percent and in any case is on the decline.

Spaniards are also the most prolific users of cocaine in the world. According to the United Nations, three percent of Spain’s adult population consumes cocaine; that’s a bigger percentage than the erstwhile leader, the United States, with 2.3 percent. Among younger age groups, the number of Spanish users has quadrupled during the last decade.

Spaniards also love to ridicule Americans as overwhelmingly fat. Indeed, a recent study finds that some two-thirds of Americans are overweight. However, Spain has more overweight people than any other country in Europe except for Italy and Greece. Almost 40 percent of Spanish adults are overweight and the Spanish Health Ministry says Spain in on track to overtake the United States in the obesity department in less than ten years.

But if there is one issue over which Europeans as a whole are more consistently ignorant about the United States, then it must be the death penalty. Europeans elites love to portray the EU as morally superior to America because postmodern Europe does not execute its killers. And true to form, every time there is an execution in America — capital punishment in China and Iran is, of course, conveniently ignored — European elites do their level best to cast the United States as a wasteland of bloodthirsty barbarians.

Imagine, then, the chagrin felt by self-righteous European elites when a Novatris/Harris poll conducted for the French daily Le Monde found that a majority of respondents in Britain (69 percent), France (58 percent), Germany (53 percent), and Spain (51 percent) said they were in favor of executing Saddam Hussein. In a truly shocking moment of introspection, Germany’s left-wing Spiegel magazine admitted that the poll results were, well, “surprising.” Wow. Ordinary Europeans, when presented with the facts, are not all that different from ordinary Americans after all.

What explains such gaping ignorance on the part of Europeans, who famously pride themselves on being vastly more sophisticated than their mentally challenged American counterparts?

Much ink has been spilled in recent years in an effort to answer these questions.

For one thing, Europe’s unaccountable left-wing media spoon-feeds the European masses with a daily diet of sensationalist anti-American propaganda, so much so that ordinary Europeans have developed a thoroughly skewed perception of American reality.

For another thing, statistics show that Europeans are not nearly as well traveled in America as Americans are in Europe. According to the U.S. Department of Commerce, some 11.4 million Europeans visited the United States in 2007, which is roughly 2.5 percent of the European population. (By contrast, a record 13.3 million Americans visited Europe in 2007, or roughly 5 percent of the U.S. population.) The lack of firsthand knowledge of the United States is arguably the biggest reason why ordinary Europeans cannot discern fact from fiction when it comes to America.

Nevertheless, this trend may be changing. Due in large part to the strong euro, the number of European visitors to the United States increased by 16 percent in the first half of 2008 alone. And Britons, Frenchmen, Germans, Italians, Spaniards, and many other Europeans visiting the United States for the first time are beginning to realize that the consistently negative images of America so meticulously constructed by Europe’s left-wing elites do not jibe with reality.

In the words of Mark Twain, “Travel is fatal to prejudice, bigotry, and narrow-mindedness.” Indeed it is.

[1amongmany]

agreed, ignorance is a dicease that can only be cured with education


btw we have 5 golden arches here and they are always crowded

[beezneesman]

You can prove anything with bullsh1t surveys - didn't you know that Dan especially when if they ever actually existed they are cited second hand in some guys blog!!! :rolleyes:

Any time an article originates from an American 'fellow traveller' that links the words self-righteous, elites and Europe in the same sentence you just know it's one for the round filing cabinet in the corner. It's evidence that writer of the blog can't face up to unpleasant realities.

[kentuckydan]

You can prove anything with bullsh1t surveys - didn't you know that Dan especially when if they ever actually existed they are cited second hand in some guys blog!!! :rolleyes:

Any time an article originates from an American 'fellow traveller' that links the words self-righteous, elites and Europe in the same sentence you just know it's one for the round filing cabinet in the corner. It's evidence that writer of the blog can't face up to unpleasant realities.

Soeren Kern is Senior Fellow for Transatlantic Relations at the Madrid-based Grupo de Estudios Estratégicos / Strategic Studies Group

[beezneesman]

the only ones worried about the Fulda Gap were the Blackhorse Soldiers :rolleyes:

Well I'm fairly sure the Bundeswehr would have been up there as well in line with their doctrine of 'frontal defence'

[kentuckydan]

Let me see, Uh your source for the claims you made in the post just previous to my last few was??

Oh yes, now I recall

"My (your) personal view "

[beezneesman]

Let me see, Uh your source for the claims you made in the post just previous to my last few was??

Oh yes, now I recall

"My (your) personal view "

Well like a lot of septics you're not exactly shy about boring us to death with your sanctimonious personal views are you Dan

[kentuckydan]

Well like a lot of septics you're not exactly shy about boring us to death with your sanctimonious personal views are you Dan

LOL we do have that in common, except I do try to back mine up with sources. :haveasmoke:

Good thing you have Socialised Medicine I would hate to have your death on
my conscience

[fbibob]

Well like a lot of septics you're not exactly shy about boring us to death with your sanctimonious personal views are you Dan

Dan just posted an article from the Grupo de Estudios Estratégicos / Strategic Studies Group.

You have posted your as yet unsubstantiated opinion.

And you call his posts sanctimonious and personal?

That bell you hear is the logic train leaving the station without you.

[beezneesman]

Dan just posted an article from the Grupo de Estudios Estratégicos / Strategic Studies Group.

You have posted your as yet unsubstantiated opinion.

And you call his posts sanctimonious and personal?

That bell you hear is the logic train leaving the station without you.

I knew it wouldn't be long before the second most sanctimonious septic on here dropped in:rolleyes:

[beezneesman]

LOL we do have that in common, except I do try to back mine up with sources. :haveasmoke:



Quantity of copying of urls does not equal quality of thought or opinion it just means you're underemployed in the real world:)

[fbibob]

Quantity of copying of urls does not equal quality of thought or opinion it just means you're underemployed in the real world:)


No, it means you document your position. Which you have yet to do.

It would be much easer to respect your opinion if you had any proof that it is valid.

[kentuckydan]

Quantity of copying of urls does not equal quality of thought or opinion it just means you're underemployed in the real world:)

Actually standard Netiquette requires providing sources if quesitoned I just do it usually as a matter of course.

As for underemployed? Not really I work nights and sleep days, I get home between 1 and 3 AM there is not really a whole lot going on in this town then, gives me time to research things,.

And I DO want to thank you for this exchange, because of which, I just found that new source and it has all kinds of interesting stuff on the website.

[beezneesman]

No, it means you document your position. Which you have yet to do.

It would be much easer to respect your opinion if you had any proof that it is valid.

Even if I had the time Bob I have no interest in or need to seek your respect/approval or whatever

[kentuckydan]

Quote:
Originally Posted by beezneesman
Well like a lot of septics you're not exactly shy about boring us to death with your sanctimonious personal views are you Dan




LOL we do have that in common, except I do try to back mine up with sources. :haveasmoke:

Good thing you have Socialised Medicine I would hate to have your death on
my conscience


Upon reflection, I mispoke, you are not boring, many other words come to mind, boring doesn't really fit.:whistle2:

[Sveta's Hero]

I know it's a little offtopic, but I'm in a romantic mood.

Whenever I here the name Sarah, it reminds me of that old Hall and Oates song "Sarah Smile")))

[Voobrazheniye]

I know it's a little offtopic, but I'm in a romantic mood.

Whenever I here the name Sarah, it reminds me of that old Hall and Oates song "Sarah Smile")))

Or the song by Stevie Nicks.

[dzerassa]

I know it's a little offtopic, but I'm in a romantic mood.

Whenever I here the name Sarah, it reminds me of that old Hall and Oates song "Sarah Smile")))

and have u heard name "obama" before :)

[kentuckydan]

and have u heard name "obama" before :)

This is the closest song I can find to Obama
2wbMqRO6lnc

[Sveta's Hero]

and have u heard name "obama" before :)

Yeah, but it does not sound quite as romantic to me. I don't know why.:rolleyes:

[kentuckydan]

Hall & Oates-Sarah Smile


Red3R17FlUQ

[beezneesman]

Quote:
Originally Posted by beezneesman
Well like a lot of septics you're not exactly shy about boring us to death with your sanctimonious personal views are you Dan







Upon reflection, I mispoke, you are not boring, many other words come to mind, boring doesn't really fit.:whistle2:

Yeah well I have a really high opinion of American chickenhawks like you.
:rolleyes:

[kentuckydan]

Yeah well I have a really high opinion of American chickenhawks like you.
:rolleyes:

and I figure that when my opposition resorts to personal attacks and name calling it is because that is all they have left and I have won on the field of "ideas" :haveasmoke:

[beezneesman]

and I figure that when my opposition resorts to personal attacks and name calling it is because that is all they have left and I have won on the field of "ideas" :haveasmoke:

All you ever do is repeat others ideas - original and independent thinking doesn't seem to be your forte

[dzerassa]

guys do i understand correct that allies have a little disagreement? is it what in army they call "friendly fire' :)

[kentuckydan]

All you ever do is repeat others ideas - original and independent thinking doesn't seem to be your forte

I have noticed in the past that complaint and I have also noticed the same people will complain if I do print my own ideas and independent thinking that I have no sources to back it up LOL

So which ever I do someone will complain, what I DO do is base most of my posts on something other than my own conjecture and I SOURCE and link to the information.

Anyone can shoot off their mouth on any topic, finding academic sources of points of view and information takes a little more effort.

[brown-raider]

Let's see .......

Firstly , Marlon --- normally a great guy except when he is discussing Olympic medals .
I don't necessarily applaud the fact that the sun is going down on your time as the most powerful force on the planet . I just record it and some of you cannot hack that thought . As it happens, I am not very keen yet on the Politics of China or India but in the culture stakes , your heritage does not even reach the starting line in comparison , imo
Looks are subjective , as we both know . The fact that some Americans like grown up versions of Barbie is an indisputable fact . I don't particularly .
We have had the Julia Timaschenko looks chat several moons ago . Take it from me , she is fading fast though I will admit she still had something even six or seven years ago . She is not a nice person and it is beginning to show in her face -- compare photos from even three years ago . And without make up she is covered in wrinkles . Honest . Also , she is trying to sell Ukraine down the river.

As for our two resident racists and their desperate need to have Change explained .
If you see your country as I and many others do , we are simply not interested in the details of Taxes Up or Taxes Down . Regardless , it will all come to the same ending with the social divide remaining horrendous .
You need a new Zeitgeist and the last thing you should be even contemplating in any shade is a repeat of recent times . Any association with arguably the most ignorant regime we have seen in modern times will condemn you to oblivion in the rest of the world's eyes .
This time there is a bigger picture that needs addressing and its resolution will not come out of the details of party differences .
As I have said before , you need a Messiah along the lines of a Luther King or a Mandela . An inspirational figure .
Maggie Thatcher saved Great Britain from oblivion, even if her understanding of social matters was awful . She re- introduced concepts like basic responsibility ,honesty and financial temperance into people's thoughts .
Her tenure can be ripped to pieces in the details but she addressed the greater picture and tried to change the moral structure of her country and put the Great back alongside Britain .
Make no mistake , we were going down the plug hole in the early seventies and whilst you can probably write a book about her mistakes , she gave Britain back the possibility of behaving with honour and dignity internally and in the rest of the world's opinion .
Those years with Reagan and Gorbachev were halycon , whatever Russians have been taught to believe otherwise .
That's the sort of perspective you need and I hope there are enough brave Americans to see and understand that in a few weeks time .
I am taking no questions . You either grudgingly admit the possibility of this vision or you continue to shout slogans . It's your future but I would like it to be ours , if possible .
You need to be seen to be addressing moral and ethical issues and handling the world with vision and a far greater degree of unselfishness .All imo naturally
And if you tell me that McCain can do this , we are simply light years apart in our basic positions .LOL Mandela... yes bam bamm does remind me of Mandela and what's the first thing he did! get evben with the Zulu's... so I guess bamm bamm will get even with some (R) and his wife kind of resembles the angelic winnie, i think bamm bamm wife has mentioned burn bay burn a couple of times a la winnie pearl necklace Mandela... boy peacock you really are scraping the bottom of the barrel with that one... Martin adulterer King... you have drunk all the kookaid .... you sure are a booty licker... :yo:

[Lucker]

Thanks Deer Reindeer for your obviously deeply considered praise .
Like you I was touched by my prophetic words , as the US has slid further down the greasy pole of self oblivion over the last few days .
As you also know , I have the soul of a poet and the romantic side of me hopes that this cautionary piece of History can end with final sentiment and be turned towards gallant victims , rather than the current view that a good American is a dead one .
I see the great tectonic plates cracking and tearing apart all the way down the West Coast and tawdry areas like California disappearing forever ( Praise the Lord ) .
Tragically this will be the greatest tragedy to have hit mankind but at least the sheer horror of a stricken nation will divert attention from the hitherto most frightening and pitiful live show ever .
I remain your friend in anticipated shared sorrow --- assuming you escape .

[brown-raider]

Thanks Deer Reindeer for your obviously deeply considered praise .
Like you I was touched by my prophetic words , as the US has slid further down the greasy pole of self oblivion over the last few days .
As you also know , I have the soul of a poet and the romantic side of me hopes that this cautionary piece of History can end with final sentiment and be turned towards gallant victims , rather than the current view that a good American is a dead one .
I see the great tectonic plates cracking and tearing apart all the way down the West Coast and tawdry areas like California disappearing forever ( Praise the Lord ) .
Tragically this will be the greatest tragedy to have hit mankind but at least the sheer horror of a stricken nation will divert attention from the hitherto most frightening and pitiful live show ever .
I remain your friend in anticipated shared sorrow --- assuming you escape .RAY RAY, aRE YOU STILL UPSET THE RED COATS LOST THE FOOKIN WAR? GET OVER IT... even if you did fight in that war.. chav gizzard:yo:

[brown-raider]

:lol:by the way Ray Ray Ramona you and drizzila make a fine couple... you can scratch eachothers eyes out just for the hell of it!

[beezneesman]

I have noticed in the past that complaint and I have also noticed the same people will complain if I do print my own ideas and independent thinking that I have no sources to back it up LOL

So which ever I do someone will complain, what I DO do is base most of my posts on something other than my own conjecture and I SOURCE and link to the information.

Anyone can shoot off their mouth on any topic, finding academic sources of points of view and information takes a little more effort.

Academic sources are mostly conjecture Dan.

Ivory towered geeks talking to each other.

LOL

[Lucker]

Now what's the matter Franky Wanky ?
My bet is last night's Clan meeting was broken up just as you were getting horny on Black and White Porno movies .
We have wonderful counselling facilities over here and my personal life stylist is a hunky 190 cm Gay with very relaxing hands . I can mail him your address if you feel it would help .He tells me he likes stroppy little bitches .

[beezneesman]

Now what's the matter Franky Wanky ?
My bet is last night's Clan meeting was broken up just as you were getting horny on Black and White Porno movies .


Yeah I'd been wondering if there could be what you could call some 'Klannish' undertones to the feverish Obama hating from the septics on this forum. Personally I don't care which of the two parties offering motherhood and apple pie to the credulous sheeple wins because it doesn't really matter. But you have to wonder if certain Dead White Males over there are starting to feel power slipping away (maybe not decisively in this election but the demographic would appear to be against them in the long term and the economy can't be helping either).

[kentuckydan]

Academic sources are mostly conjecture Dan.

Ivory towered geeks talking to each other.

LOL

Well I figure they should have equal weight with your "personal Views"

at least they are often the views of someone who has spent considerable
time research a subject.

[sliver]

didn't read the thread. too long.
some ago i saw one of her interview.. guys, do you really elect such.. silly politicians?

[Lucker]

What's this strange headline I read today ,
" McCain leaps to Palinn's aid as magic fades "

How did I guess that one over a week ago ? Lucky , I suppose .

[Neilikka]

I suppose it was a fascinating view-McCain leaping on Palinn! Is there a clip on youtube.com?

[Lucker]

Blimey a Russian first .
A joke .
Nice one Bella , Bella

[kentuckydan]

didn't read the thread. too long.
some ago i saw one of her interview.. guys, do you really elect such.. silly politicians?

If that was Charlie Gibson's interview on ABC this might be of interest to you,


ABC News Edited Out Key Parts of Sarah Palin Interview (http://newsbusters.org/blogs/p-j-gladnick/2008/09/13/abc-news-edited-out-key-parts-sarah-palin-interview)

A transcript of the unedited interview of Sarah Palin by Charles Gibson clearly shows that ABC News edited out crucial portions of the interview that showed Palin as knowledgeable or presented her answers out of context. This unedited transcript of the first of the Gibson interviews with Palin is available on radio host Mark Levin's website. The sections edited out by ABC News are in bold. The first edit shows Palin responding about meeting with foreign leaders but this was actually in response to a question Gibson asked several questions earlier:


The way to tell the biggest lies, is by telling the truth selectively Mark Twain

[snow_flake]

What is all this about :eek:

[sliver]

dan, ok, may i also edit every interview of mine later with words "you watched wrong edition on TV.. i'm much better that you even couldn't realise"

[1amongmany]

didn't read the thread. too long.
some ago i saw one of her interview.. guys, do you really elect such.. silly politicians?

the answer is - unfortunately - YES

[kentuckydan]

dan, ok, may i also edit every interview of mine later with words "you watched wrong edition on TV.. i'm much better that you even couldn't realise"

I didn't say what interview you watched I just gave you a source for the FULL text of one recent interview on ABC

The transcript includes in bold text those parts there were NOT aired, and they DRASTICALY change the meaning of Palin's responces.

The aired interview was a hatchet job and anyone interested in the truth rather than propaganda if given the chance to look at what was cut out and what was left in
can avail themselves of what is contained in that link.

[dzerassa]

she is hunter. ban her

[Lucker]

Huntress , actually .
But so are you . Do you wish to be bummed ? I meant banned .

[dzerassa]

I meant banned .

don't say u r also a moderator now. i am waiting when finally admin decides u deserve to be banned but u must have good connections not only in georgian governemnt :)

[Yannis]

But Greece did not get involved in the fighting!!! So it was never a case of 2 NATO members in combat with each other which is the situation that you were describing?

Are you what's known as 'special' or something? :rolleyes:
Completely off topic and sorry I saw it so late but, beez.., Greece did get involved in the fighting.

[sliver]

she is hunter. ban her
personally for me it's enough to ban her that she is a protege of oil and weapons lobby groups
and as well mccain is vietnam war veteran + captive.. people who went through war always have got some psychological problems. our afghanistan veterans are the same
it's obvious that mccain is the third term of president bush