Urgent! Our Muslim future...

[sunontheway]

This is very urgent and important. From right now every forum member should reproduce at least two kids. Tell to your friends too.

Or have a look at our Muslim future

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Thank you seven7 for finding this video

[statajack]

I read an almost identical article on the BBC website earlier in the week. I didn't post it up here for fear of being accused of inciting racism. :rolleyes: .... but thanks for putting this up. :)

The big picture is very alarming. Right across Europe and Russia, the same story of decline in indigenous populations, which have predominantly been variations of Christianity since history was recorded.

I suspect, that governments are well aware of this issue. The problem is, how can they deal with it, without incurring the wrath of the human rights people. The answer of course is, with great difficulty and political sacrifice.

This whole issue gives me an inkling of a feeling that Bush's warring agenda might have had things buried beneath the surface that nobody even perceived. ;) Is this far-fetched? Only the man himself will know, but never will admit.

[sunontheway]

I suspect, that governments are well aware of this issue.

Where were those French and British governments few years ago? Once you let them in, you can't get them out.

Last time I was in London I actually felt a bit scared (for the future). First I thought I occasionally stepped on the arab territory. Second thought was "My God, how many of them now here"

Your national cuisine will be kebab soon :cool:

[Sniffer]

Where were those French and British governments few years ago? Once you let them in, you can't get them out.

Last time I was in London I actually felt a bit scared (for the future). First I thought I occasionally stepped on the arab territory. Second thought was "My God, how many of them now here"

Your national cuisine will be kebab soon :cool:

"Them" like you write are French citizens. And we don't care about the fact that they are Muslim or Catholics or Buddist or anything else. They are just French and the principle of our Republic is Laïcity and we don't judge people regarding their belief and religion.
France is a country of mixity. You can like it or not, but our richness comes from this natural openess to other people from other countries with other culture, belief ... This is in some ways the history of my own family... Of course things never easily happened, sometimes with fights or wars, but we must face to our history and be proud of it. I'm proud of this mixity. I understand it can be strange for some of you but i'm not afraid to walk in the streets of Paris and meet black, arabic or asian people. I would just agree with you that the role of our Governement is to maintain the values of our Republic and not let ANY religion or belief rule the society.

Our national cuisine has been enriched years after years by these new flavours, new tastes, new process. Why not kebab? Should be delightful prepared by one of our Grand Chef, like frog legs could be awful in a old a small restaurant along the french motorway ;)

[sunontheway]

So inflated speach! I am glad that you are proud of your country. But Paris is not the same Paris as it used to be few years ago. Your guests started to speak about their rights and will change your laws when you get the majority of Muslims there.

You should understand, Sniffer, that I am not against arabs as a nation. I am against that France and England turn into 'Muslim Republics' and I am sorry but I do not see that it improves their cultures and flavours. Actually it wipes them off.

[statajack]

"Them" like you write are French citizens. And we don't care about the fact that they are Muslim or Catholics or Buddist or anything else. They are just French and the principle of our Republic is Laïcity and we don't judge people regarding their belief and religion.
France is a country of mixity. You can like it or not, but our richness comes from this natural openess to other people from other countries with other culture, belief ... This is in some ways the history of my own family... Of course things never easily happened, sometimes with fights or wars, but we must face to our history and be proud of it. I'm proud of this mixity. I understand it can be strange for some of you but i'm not afraid to walk in the streets of Paris and meet black, arabic or asian people. I would just agree with you that the role of our Governement is to maintain the values of our Republic and not let ANY religion or belief rule the society.

Our national cuisine has been enriched years after years by these new flavours, new tastes, new process. Why not kebab? Should be delightful prepared by one of our Grand Chef, like frog legs could be awful in a old a small restaurant along the french motorway ;)

Sniffer - how do you think France will feel if within say forty years, the weight of numbers of non-indigenous French nationals decides by shear numbers to invoke sharia law nationally right across France? Will you just sit and say "Et bien, c'est la vie!" ?

[sunontheway]

"Racism is the lowest form of human stupidity, but Islamophobia is the height of common sense"

You are not afraid for your country?

You already forgot the good old times in PARIS -October 2005:

http://antikafirphobia.files.wordpress.com/2007/11/051105_france_widehlarge.jpg

Paris Burning for two months, just after the holy month of Ramadhan 2005 …
Quran 9:5 When the sacred months are over slay the idolaters wherever you find them. Arrest them, besiege them, and lie in ambush everywhere for them. If they repent and take to prayer and render the alms levy, allow them to go their way. God is forgiving and merciful.

Cost of 20 days Muslim rioting : 10,000 cars torched, 3,800 attacks on police officers ; 130 police officers wounded; some 100 factories and industrial buildings vandalized and/or set ablaze; the same thing happened to some 100 schools, kindergartens, sports centers and (other) government buildings, as well as to at least 13 Christian cemetaries, chapels and churches, plus at least 4 Jewish centers and synagogues. There was also one attempt to set fire to a mosque. Three people were murdered: 56-year old Jean-Claude Irvoas was beaten to death in front of his wife and child, and 61-year old Jacques Le Chenadec was kicked to death when he tried to extinguish a burning dustbin in front of the apartment block where he lived, an African woman burnt to death in the bus torched by peaceful Muslims.

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Are you proud of your French citizens? They do not wish to get integrated in your culture, when they feel enough strength, they will set own laws and rules. You can continue dreaming but better go and make two nice kids :smokin:

[kentuckydan]

In the last few years European Jews, have been applying to Canada and the US for Assylum Visas.

Google: Firebomb Synagogues France

I applaud the sentiment expressed by one poster

France is a country of mixity

But when you are dealing with people who do not believe in that concept but only believe in Submission?

If the day should come when they have the numbers, mixity will no longer exist, it will be replaced with dhimmitude.

Right now in the demgraphic age group of 20 and below the immigrant portion in France is 35% in the Metro areas, 45%

If you wish to see how you might be treated under a Parisian Kalifate, just take a look at how minorities are treated in majority Muslim Nations at present.

I predict that by the end of this Century, those areas of France which voted for the Liberal Parties in the last elections will be the Parisian Kalifate and those areas that voted Conservative MAY form the 6th Republic.

It's all about Demographics

[Sniffer]

Sniffer - how do you think France will feel if within say forty years, the weight of numbers of non-indigenous French nationals decides by shear numbers to invoke sharia law nationally right across France? Will you just sit and say "Et bien, c'est la vie!" ?


And if .... and if .... and if Armeggedon is happen to be on earth we should call Bruce Willis?!
Read again my post. I simply say that mixity always been a richness for our country AND that our Government should maintain the value of our Republic. Liberté, Egalité, Fraternité has real sense for French people, should you agree or not, accept or not, find these fookin French arrogant and stupid or not.

[Sniffer]

"Racism is the lowest form of human stupidity, but Islamophobia is the height of common sense"

You are not afraid for your country?

You already forgot the good old times in PARIS -October 2005:

http://antikafirphobia.files.wordpress.com/2007/11/051105_france_widehlarge.jpg

Paris Burning for two months, just after the holy month of Ramadhan 2005 …
Quran 9:5 When the sacred months are over slay the idolaters wherever you find them. Arrest them, besiege them, and lie in ambush everywhere for them. If they repent and take to prayer and render the alms levy, allow them to go their way. God is forgiving and merciful.

Cost of 20 days Muslim rioting : 10,000 cars torched, 3,800 attacks on police officers ; 130 police officers wounded; some 100 factories and industrial buildings vandalized and/or set ablaze; the same thing happened to some 100 schools, kindergartens, sports centers and (other) government buildings, as well as to at least 13 Christian cemetaries, chapels and churches, plus at least 4 Jewish centers and synagogues. There was also one attempt to set fire to a mosque. Three people were murdered: 56-year old Jean-Claude Irvoas was beaten to death in front of his wife and child, and 61-year old Jacques Le Chenadec was kicked to death when he tried to extinguish a burning dustbin in front of the apartment block where he lived, an African woman burnt to death in the bus torched by peaceful Muslims.

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Are you proud of your French citizens? They do not wish to get integrated in your culture, when they feel enough strength, they will set own laws and rules. You can continue dreaming but better go and make two nice kids :smokin:


Irrelevant argues Sun, with all my respect.
During these riots, there was black, arabic, jewish and white people involved.
This is not the problem of one community. This is the problem of suburbs, where all nationalities and communities live sometimes in bad conditions. I absolutely do not support what happened in such case, and when i say that our Governement should maintain the values of our Republic and security it's typically what he should do here. And it failed.
Now, i'm not afraid for my country. I'm more afraid by many things i read here. We can be preoccupied by demography, this is a worlwide issue (and maybe more coming from organic increasing of Asia than from Arabic/muslim countries by the way). Our western societies must care about it and find solutions for the future BUT ......... when you point a community using argues of condemnation based on more or less truth figures, more or less truth events and even fiction of terror, it reminds me some behaviour of the late 30's .... In period whe celebrate the end of the biggest human catastroph of our world i think we should not only celebrate our beautiful soldier and powerful army walking on the street, but also remember that such behaviour is NOT ACCEPTABLE, and drama for Humanity.

[kentuckydan]

And if .... and if .... and if Armeggedon is happen to be on earth we should call Bruce Willis?!
Read again my post. I simply say that mixity always been a richness for our country AND that our Government should maintain the value of our Republic. Liberté, Egalité, Fraternité has real sense for French people, should you agree or not, accept or not, find these fookin French arrogant and stupid or not.

All that may be true, but the problem remains, you must offer these new members of your society hope and instill in them the values you elucidate and they must assimilate.

How do you plan to accomplish that? The present evidence is that these things are not being accomplished and there are other voices offering them hope of quite a different times,

I look for patterns in events. This graph created by the BBC during the Ramadan Riots of a few years ago gives evidence of a very ominous pattern for anyone who looks at it closely and I do not mean merely at the numbers themselves.,

I wonder if anyone here can see it.

[kentuckydan]

but also remember that such behaviour is NOT ACCEPTABLE, and drama for Humanity.

Over at the Place de la Mairie, M le Maire himself, Jean-Louis Debré, seemed affronted by the very idea that un soupçon de carnage should be allowed to distract from the cheese-tasting. "A hundred people have smashed everything and strewn desolation," he told reporters. "Well, they don't form part of our universe."

Maybe not, but unfortunately you form part of theirs.

Mr Debré, a close pal of President Chirac's, was a little off on the numbers. There were an estimated 200 "youths" rampaging through Evreux. With baseball bats. They injured, among others, a dozen firemen. "To those responsible for the violence, I want to say: Be serious!" Mr Debré told France Info radio. "If you want to live in a fairer, more fraternal society, this is not how to go about it."

You may not be interested in war, but war is interested in you Leon Trotsky

[statajack]

All that may be true, but the problem remains, you must offer these new members of your society hope and instill in them the values you elucidate and they must assimilate.

How do you plan to accomplish that? The present evidence is that these things are not being accomplished and there are other voices offering them hope of quite a different times,

I look for patterns in events. This graph created by the BBC during the Ramadan Riots of a few years ago gives evidence of a very ominous pattern for anyone who looks at it closely and I do not mean merely at the numbers themselves.,

I wonder if anyone here can see it.

Sure Dan. I can see the pattern. A flat line for three years, then a sudden and continuous upward surge in year four onwards.

Which year, was year four?

[kentuckydan]

Not years, days. But you did catch the anomaly

Riots follow a definite pattern there is an ignition event that sparks a riot that then peaks and tapers off,

If the pattern of an event does not follow the usual pattern, then the basic assumptions may be in error

This pattern shows almost NO activity for almost 5 days and then the violence follows one slope until day 7 and at that point rapidly accelerates to day 10 when the slope of violent activity starts to decrease.

That is not the normal pattern of a Riot Event, so the question

What is it?

[statajack]

And if .... and if .... and if Armeggedon is happen to be on earth we should call Bruce Willis?!
Read again my post. I simply say that mixity always been a richness for our country AND that our Government should maintain the value of our Republic. Liberté, Egalité, Fraternité has real sense for French people, should you agree or not, accept or not, find these fookin French arrogant and stupid or not.

Actually, I imagine that Bruce Willis, or his successor will be out in space supping on cocktails, well away from the cultural and ethnic cleansing programme initiated by the new order on Earth. Sniffer please, let's try to avoid the patronising. :)

I am also a protractor of freedom of speech and expression. Whilst we have multi-cultural societies, this expression exists in varying degrees. If an environment gets overrun by a culture that is not so liberal, this freedom we enjoy right now will slowly be stifled and eventually withdrawn. This is the primary fear when evaluating moving demographic statistics that are showing an almost irreversible and gradual change in underlying culture.

Russia is the only country I know of so far that has started to address this issue. I don't know the fine details of the programme, but a few years ago the Kremlin started a policy of handing out cash payments to families to have a second child. You'd have to be blind to not see what this is about. They are obviously very concerned at the decline in population of indigenous Russians, and in the long term afraid that the locals will no longer have enough weight to maintain Russian culture over an ever increasing immigrant society.

There are four representatives from four different nations discussing this topic so far. Russia, UK, USA, and France. Three out of those four are demonstrating concern. That to me suggests that even in this micro environment, the matter of world demographic change should not simply be brushed under the carpet in the name of political correctness. :)

[Sniffer]

All that may be true, but the problem remains, you must offer these new members of your society hope and instill in them the values you elucidate and they must assimilate.

How do you plan to accomplish that? The present evidence is that these things are not being accomplished and there are other voices offering them hope of quite a different times,

I look for patterns in events. This graph created by the BBC during the Ramadan Riots of a few years ago gives evidence of a very ominous pattern for anyone who looks at it closely and I do not mean merely at the numbers themselves.,

I wonder if anyone here can see it.

Ken,
You ask the right question. How do we plan to accomplish that? How do we plan to offer hope to all migrants and more generally all people in difficult situation? How do you plan to offer to your Latinos, Muslims, Blacks and other Asian the same hope in USA? How do we plan to offer hope and share our values with billions of people who have different culture, traditions and belief? We can be over protectionist and stigmatize a religion or community arguing they are numerous, they are dangerous, they dream about chariah or anything else. But i'm convinced that the policy of terror based on such argues is the wrong one. I agree with you Ken, there is a huge job to do to make accept some of these population to share and respect our value. But we must face to this question and not hide ourself behind argues who have a dirty smell of totalitarist position of the 30's. Please, remember the context, the message, and argues....

[Shadow-off]

I think the problem is that of a particular government not enforcing the established laws of a system. When an immigrant enters a different country to visit or live, they are a guest. There is no " other territory " within France, lets say. When you're in France it's all French territory and the laws of the French system must be followed or consequences should happen. If immigrants have problems with any country they migrated to, and resort to acts of violence or interfere with an already established system, they should leave or be arrested, and extradited back to the country they came from. Not doing so is the fault of France or any country that doesn't enforce this. It is very simple to understand. There is no difference in one of you inviting me to your home, and when I arrive, I begin rearranging your furniture, and painting the walls of your house because I don't like the colors you've chosen. Most likely you'll ask me to leave and if I refuse to leave your house, you'll call the police and have me removed. So France has an obligation to France, to arrest, and extradite violent radical non-conformists from France. This is not to say that foreign culture cannot be practiced if it is peaceful and conforms to an existing system. That's positive diversity.

[elane-ellie]

It just seems to me.. one shouldn’t mix up terrorism with something else. :rolleyes:
And making a projection of all disgusting what terrorism brings itself onto some population.. is.. ahm.. searching for the right word.. a bit inappropriate, perhaps. In my subjective opinion.

The history of Mankind knew the birth and the death of great civilisations. Maya, ancient Egypt, say, Atlantis..et cetera.. No necessity to list well known concepts here, apology. Is anyone of us a God to decide whose civilization will survive now?

If you get scared your white civilization is under threat of vanishing.. :cool: Why do not you give the birth to 5-8 kids to change the demography picture? You say, it is conditioned by certain economical and social positions? But all people in your countries (more or less) share one and the same being. Government take care about them only? It is.. rubbish, excuse me.
I never loved talks of kind :”someone lives better than I do”..

[kentuckydan]

Ken,
You ask the right question. How do we plan to accomplish that? How do we plan to offer hope to all migrants and more generally all people in difficult situation? How do you plan to offer to your Latinos, Muslims, Blacks and other Asian the same hope in USA? How do we plan to offer hope and share our values with billions of people who have different culture, traditions and belief? We can be over protectionist and stigmatize a religion or community arguing they are numerous, they are dangerous, they dream about chariah or anything else. But i'm convinced that the policy of terror based on such argues is the wrong one. I agree with you Ken, there is a huge job to do to make accept some of these population to share and respect our value. But we must face to this question and not hide ourself behind argues who have a dirty smell of totalitarist position of the 30's. Please, remember the context, the message, and argues....

I can't tell you how to do these things that must come from you. The demographics say in one or at the most two generations, they will dominate your society, you will either find your own solution or not, in the latter case your society will be changed into something else.

Asiatic Americans, don't seem to need any help to thrive in our society, they excell, As for the Latino population, African American and Muslim those who want something better have the opportunity to find it. Muslims in fact are far more able to practice their own faith here then Sunnis in Sh'ai countries or the reverse. They have not been stigmatized or singled out.

Racist attacks are the sad reality of any large politity, but I think it is revealing that in the year after 9/11 there were more attacks of that nature in this country on Jews and Asian-Pacific Islanders than on Muslims.

A Society must offer it;s people both Security and Opportunity, there must be a balance too far a trend towards one or the other is dangerous, As bad as things have gotten from time to time here there is far more opportunity IMO than elsewhere in the world,

I read not so long ago a book I got from a Muslim bookstore called Dawah from an American Perspective,

In effect it was a multi-generational plan to turn the US into an Islamic Kalifate,

One of the reasons the author felt worldwide Islam should focus it's efforts here, was because of the economic and military power we have, he thought that if WE were converted, then it would be a simple matter to bring the rest of the world under the sway of Dar Al Islam.

Now I don't think such a plan would suceed here, but many of it's facets I see already in motion in Europe.

One of the major strengths of the US in the past has been the concept of the "Melting Pot"
a Hybrid society making an Alloy of the many different ethnicities coming here into something uniquely American.

The concept of a Multi-cultural society is the polar opposite of the above,

How can a society have unity if it embraces and enforces division?

[kentuckydan]

Your fellow citizens will become French and adopt the outlooks you value so much or they will not and when they have the numbers, they will force your society to adopt values that they value,

One or the other will happen

But we must face to this question and not hide ourself behind argues who have a dirty smell of totalitarist position of the 30's

But I am afraid the 30s have already arrived, Jews are leaving France because they no longer feel safe, the totalitarian forces are practicing 21st Century Kristalnachts in your streets

[kentuckydan]

Is anyone of us a God to decide whose civilization will survive now?


Given a choice I prefer mine to survive,

[sunontheway]

Sniffer,

You certainly do not understand the idea of my protest.
In the place where I live there are some different nationalities, few Georgians in a flower shop, few Tadjics, family of Armenians in a vegetable shop, few Chinese in a Chinese restaurant and one naighbour looks like a Korean. I like them all very much, they are extremely nice people. And I am very glad that they are here. But trying to imagine for a second that the majority in St. Petersburg will be not Russians but another nation, I certainly do not like it. It is them who came to my country, not me.

As for Muslims. If you move to the country, you should integrate into its culture, accept rules and not to destroy it. If they do not agree, they should stay in their countries. I certainly do not want to live in the centre of Islamic world. The same would be with any other nation.

If nations mixed, it would be a different thing. But they don't. They stay their colonies.

[sunontheway]

Russia is the only country I know of so far that has started to address this issue.

I have no time to search but as far as I remember some Muslim countries give cash for a child or maybe it's just a male child.


I don't know the fine details of the programme, but a few years ago the Kremlin started a policy of handing out cash payments to families to have a second child.

My sister is having tree little kids, she won't get anything :crybaby: because she got them before this law.
Nobody gives you money in hand, they give you a certificate and you can spend it as payment for buying some property (for example to buy bigger flat) or as a payment for education of this child.

[statajack]

I have no time to search but as far as I remember some Muslim countries give cash for a child or maybe it's just a male child.

I haven't seen any info on this, but I wouldn't be surprised if it is happening.



My sister is having tree little kids, she won't get anything :crybaby: because she got them before this law.
Nobody gives you money in hand, they give you a certificate and you can spend it as payment for buying some property (for example to buy bigger flat) or as a payment for education of this child.

Does the government's initiative also allow people to use the "certificate" or handout to reduce the amount owed on an existing mortgage?

[sunontheway]

Does the government's initiative also allow people to use the "certificate" or handout to reduce the amount owed on an existing mortgage?

I have no idea. The sum is actually not that big. It was about 10,000$.

[vitashenka]

I think goverment must be more strikt to imigrants, espesially from Africa and countries liek this. By "strick" i mean they must be cheked oftenly if they have work or not or how they have money for live. To my opinion and opinion of Yann (my boyfriend who is french) sometimes seems that govermant more loyal to immigrants than to people who has french routs and honestly work and pay fee....

[Dolly-Dolly]

а я буду писать по-русски, хоть и вижу, что все пишут по-английски, но все равно буду писать по-русски.

"со своим уставом....."

immigrants do the same thing...

[sunontheway]

No joke, Tatar public organizations in Russia started collecting votes to recognize the Tatar language as the second official language in Russia, claiming that they are the second biggest nation here. Do you know how many Tatars do we have? Just 3,8% of the whole population! It's amazing :becky:

By the way.

When I flied to Spain, I got an immigration card to fill. Guess in which four languages the text was offered?

Spanish
English
French
Arabic

Arabic language is already more common than German these days.

[vitashenka]

No joke, Tatar public organizations in Russia started collecting votes to recognize the Tatar language as the second official language in Russia, claiming that they are the second biggest nation here. Do you know how many Tatars do we have? Just 3,8% of the whole population! It's amazing :becky:

By the way.

When I flied to Spain, I got an immigration card to fill. Guess in which four languages the text was offered?

Spanish
English
French
Arabic

Arabic language is already more common than German these days.


In former time in Russia usually people, who live in vilages with developing agreeculture all families were big enouth with many kids, because kids must also help parents to work to keep animals and work at the field. Now days nearly all our villages are empty and young people prefer to leave vilage as soon as possible, because all money and job are concantrated in big towns. In vilagies usually no any conditions to live (no warm water, no gas, no good roads and so on). So hardly young people who got education in big town would like to go back. Actually we started to have more urbanized places and usually in urbanized places people dont wanner to have many kids, because it is economical and social problem first of all

[sunontheway]

because kids must also help parents to work to keep animals and work at the field.

Aka slaves on plantations :lol:

Actually they just need to limit electricity, people will start breeding again as the only activity on evenings will be not television or internet but sex :lol:

[statajack]

Actually they just need to limit electricity, people will start breeding again as the only activity on evenings will be not television or internet but sex :lol:

An inspirational and clever cost cutting idea, which also helps to solve the population problem. :lol:

The Kremlin does not know of the geniuses in its midst. :yo:

[Kursat]

I could understand this warning if it was created by intelligence , but with this presentation they showed us ... as if virus or infection.

Do you believe that all muslims born as extremists , terrorists ,or potential enemy
Do you believe -all muslims lives with islamic rules
or they will force to you for living under islamic rules...

I can understand if someone wants to keep his religion -I can support too, this is a very basic right (for everyone) , and religions doesn't makes us supreme than others.


Another interesting point ;

Someone used my country's flag for this presentation , what a big contradiction
Turkey is a muslim country and naturally I was born as muslim but I dont believe any religion
I haven't seen any problem in my life about it , so no one cares my personal choice and no one pressed me for living under islamic rules ,never and ever.


Central theme and main idea can be right in this video for a sociocultural anxiety but with this sick presentation it seems as totally fascistic and racialistic.

[sunontheway]

Kursat agree with your point.

But let's say if England invaded with only Polish people (there are lot of them there), do you think Brits would be happy about it? Hey they would change right-side traffic for a normal one :becky:

[kentuckydan]

Aka slaves on plantations :lol:

Actually they just need to limit electricity, people will start breeding again as the only activity on evenings will be not television or internet but sex :lol:

You said that as a joke, but 9 months after one of the large power outages in our North East there WAS a sudden spike of births :lol:

[kentuckydan]

I could understand this warning if it was created by intelligence , but with this presentation they showed us ... as if virus or infection.

Do you believe that all muslims born as extremists , terrorists ,or potential enemy
Do you believe -all muslims lives with islamic rules
or they will force to you for living under islamic rules...

I can understand if someone wants to keep his religion -I can support too, this is a very basic right (for everyone) , and religions doesn't makes us supreme than others.


Another interesting point ;

Someone used my country's flag for this presentation , what a big contradiction
Turkey is a muslim country and naturally I was born as muslim but I dont believe any religion
I haven't seen any problem in my life about it , so no one cares my personal choice and no one pressed me for living under islamic rules ,never and ever.


Central theme and main idea can be right in this video for a sociocultural anxiety but with this sick presentation it seems as totally fascistic and racialistic.

I don't seem anything Fascistic about the presentation, unless mathematics is now facistic?

The Native population of Europe is declining at a rate no Culture has ever survived,

It is being replaced by an immigrant population from areas of the world where the Governments and the Cultures are Totalitarian and almost totally Intolerant of Minorities.

Those immigrants will define their society, when they become the majority.

Now it seems that anyone who views this with alarm is accused of facistic philosophy, but in my view the gangs roaming the streets in Europe these days are acting more like the Nazi thugs of the early part of the 20th century than we are.

Back in those days the Jewish minority were accused of crimes they were totally innocent of, I view with alarm growing militant and violent activity that bodes intolerance, totalitarianism and oppression.

As far as Turkey goes? Ata Turk was originally buried turned away from Mecca to demonstrate distance from Islam and to reinforce the creation of a Secular State,.

Which direction does his coffin face now?

[Kursat]

I don't seem anything Fascistic about the presentation, unless mathematics is now facistic?


if you could see , it would be a nice surprise ...

One death is a tragedy, a million is a statistic , is this an another mathematic formula for your opinion as Stalin said.

P.S. I'm a mathematician :cool:

[statajack]

if you could see , it would be a nice surprise ...

One death is a tragedy, a million is a statistic , is this an another mathematic formula for your opinion as Stalin said.

P.S. I'm a mathematician :cool:

I don't understand how this thread has switched into death of millions, when the original header was about the converse............ the need to have more babies to maintain population.

:)

[elane-ellie]

I could understand this warning if it was created by intelligence , but with this presentation they showed us ... as if virus or infection.

Central theme and main idea can be right in this video for a sociocultural anxiety but with this sick presentation it seems as totally fascistic and racialistic.



But let's say if England invaded with only Polish people (there are lot of them there), do you think Brits would be happy about it? Hey they would change right-side traffic for a normal one :becky:

I don't seem anything Fascistic about the presentation, unless mathematics is now facistic?


Those immigrants will define their society, when they become the majority.

Now it seems that anyone who views this with alarm is accused of facistic philosophy, but in my view the gangs roaming the streets in Europe these days are acting more like the Nazi thugs of the early part of the 20th century than we are.


if you could see , it would be a nice surprise ...

P.S. I'm a mathematician :cool:

My dear friend mathematician, Kursat, you are a bit mistaken, that's not a fascism, it is a chauvinism.:cool:
And no need to persuade chauvinistically oriented people that you are "white" if they say you are "black". Leave them with their belief and their moral code. :rolleyes:

We face it everywhere. Having a "mix blood" I do know what it means.
Being partially Slavonic, I have heard about the "inferiority" of Slavonics.. thousand times..
And being a Jewess .. you can imagine what I used to face too.. ;)

And if you, people, don't want to see "those immigrants" in your countries.. why didn't you vote for not allowing them to enter your countries??? Aren't you citizens of DEMOCRATIC ones? If I don't want to see "anyone" at my home (i.e. at your country), I close my door. But if my door is open.. I don't shout "those guests of mine" are uninvited and personae non grata...

My apology.... nothing personal. Just my vision of a subject

[sunontheway]

Ellie, dear, do not turn the thread into this direction, this was not the point.

You know that I am Russian. Does it make me sound like a chauvinist, if I say that the majority of Russians in France (if they start breeding like rabbits) will ruin the original country, will change it to something else?

Do you doubt about our abilities? American policemen learn Russian language in Russian areas. Finnish border officers already all speak Russian because Russians don't speak even English.

:lol:

[sunontheway]

And if you, people, don't want to see "those immigrants" in your countries.. why didn't you vote for not allowing them to enter your countries???

This is what visas and working permit created for. But in this thread we speak about those who already settled down. We don't call them to leave, we call other nations to make more babies. What's bad about sex? :lol:

To speak seriousely, degradation of population brings more problems than spoken above. Was it in France some protests few years ago about retire age?

[Kursat]

I don't understand how this thread has switched into death of millions, when the original header was about the converse............ the need to have more babies to maintain population.

:)


it was about mathematic if you compare human nature with mathematic formulas. I agree with you may be my comment seems a demagogy ,
but it wasn't my idea putting some demagogy here like nazis , jewish , Ata etc... as you can see ;) .

btw...

Yes Ellie you are right , fascism or chauvinism or whatever there is nothing to think about , it's the time to close this topic for myself .

[statajack]

We don't call them to leave, we call other nations to make more babies. What's bad about sex? :lol:


Maybe we just need some special magic mushrooms to encourage a baby boom.

:becky:

[sunontheway]

Maybe we just need some special magic mushrooms to encourage a baby boom.

:becky:

Just ban all condom advertisements :lol:

[tarras bulba]

So inflated speach! I am glad that you are proud of your country. But Paris is not the same Paris as it used to be few years ago. Your guests started to speak about their rights and will change your laws when you get the majority of Muslims there.

You should understand, Sniffer, that I am not against arabs as a nation. I am against that France and England turn into 'Muslim Republics' and I am sorry but I do not see that it improves their cultures and flavours. Actually it wipes them off.

sun you talk as an old grandmother how old are you to talk about old times.
America and france have the own way to look to their citizens.I think the best way.


zorozoroooooo:smokin:

[statajack]

Just ban all condom advertisements :lol:

Another possibility -

A monthly national "Lights-out day".

The rules;

1. It will be a criminal offense for any member of the public to wear clothes at home.

2. It will be a criminal offense to switch on a computer or television for any purpose other than viewing of new government issue "arousal" media.

3. All existing children must be sent to their grandparents or other elderly relatives for the day.

4. The males of the population are not permitted to have hot baths for the week preceding this day. They are only permitted to have showers.

5. All telephones, including mobiles, must be disconnected for the day.

6. Alcoholic consumption for males is limited to two units for the day.

That lot should get things started. :becky:

[sunontheway]

Call Gordon Brown tomorrow.

[Lonewolf74]

I am all for making more babies.
Any volunteers??? :lol:


V.:cool:

[sunontheway]

You see, Zoro, Portugal already understands the problem! :lol:

[Amber]

I would agree with Kursat if I saw the same attitude about religion and life style from immigrants in the streets of Oslo. The thing is that successful and well educated ppl (that part of inhabitants of islamic countries that Kutsat represents in my imagination) are doing fine, living in their native countries. Most of the asilum seekers represent another part of muslim population - rather traditional I'd say. And comming into new countries looking for better life quality (100% understandable desire I'd say) they are exepting all the privileges living there but not willing to refuse any of their native habits and attitudes...They fight for their rights to live like they used to BUT very often practice that living on the cost of native population.
17th of May - is a National Day in Norway. Last year islamic diaspora made a scandal on a reason that they were not allowed to walk in the parade train with THEIR NATIONAL FLAGS. Sorry, but I cant categorize that in any other way but DISRESPECT to the country they are living in (and often - ON). Until national states seize to exist, sharing the quality of life of people of some state also requires respect to the national traditions of that people.

[kentuckydan]

if you could see , it would be a nice surprise ...

One death is a tragedy, a million is a statistic , is this an another mathematic formula for your opinion as Stalin said.

P.S. I'm a mathematician :cool:

I think a million deaths is a million tragedys

P. S. I taught Mathematics ;)

[kentuckydan]

I don't understand how this thread has switched into death of millions, when the original header was about the converse............ the need to have more babies to maintain population.

:)

Just his cute attempt to compare me and anyone who disagrees with him to Stalin

When they start character assasination/ ad hominen attacks = means you are winning

One of the Classic examples of an Invalid arguement it Attacking the Messenger

[kentuckydan]

Despite the disdain shown here for looking at the mathematics of a situation, that does appear to be how the universe operates, according to mathematical rules

There is a mathematical relationship called Gravity.

If you violate the Law of Gravity, by say, steppng off a cliff there are consequences.

There are mathematical relationship defining the viability of biological systems.

The issue here has two independent factors

1) Europe is dieiing, present repoductive rates are below the levels from which no human culture has ever recovered.

This has nothing whatsoever to do with any other population groujps.

2) The Immgrant population group has rates that are far above the minimum level

One population is in decline for whatever reasons, the other is increasing.

Those are simple facts.

If the second group becomes assimilated and adopts Western values of Equality, Tolerance etc

THERE IS NO PROBLEM

If not, the changes in the Society will be far greater than more Kebab stands on the street.