Are exist a honest men?

[Crushik]

Hello, dear forumers :yo:
Do you suppose such men exists or is this fairy-tale just ? :confused:
I think at moment they aren*t :eek:

[cecilia]

no doubt honest men exist,at least on the moon:rolleyes::lol:just a bit too far:)

[Crushik]

no doubt honest men exist,at least on the moon:rolleyes::lol:just a bit too far:)

on the Moon, it*s so far from here :becky:

[vitashenka]

I know at least the one of them :rolleyes:

[Crushik]

I know at least the one of them :rolleyes:


Probably 1 is exist :becky:

[krevedko]

I wouldn't say all of them are disonest. It's just that they have different truth :becky:

[Crushik]

I wouldn't say all of them are disonest. It's just that they have different truth :becky:

Too much truthful, Di :becky:

[katrin-78]

Hello, dear forumers :yo:
Do you suppose such men exists or is this fairy-tale just ? :confused:
I think at moment they aren*t :eek:

I HAD NEVER MET SUCH SPECIMENS. MAYBE EXIST SOMWHERE BUT VERY RARELY AND PRACTICALLY EXTINCT:(

[Sveta's Hero]

Ladies, don't give up hope! Don't hate all of us men because of a few bad ones!

[Crushik]

Ladies, don't give up hope! Don't hate all of us men because of a few bad ones!

Are you going to answer for all of men :becky::lol:

[Sveta's Hero]

Are you going to answer for all of men :becky::lol:


No, I cannot answer for all men.

[katrin-78]

Ladies, don't give up hope! Don't hate all of us men because of a few bad ones!

I don't hate men. I just don't belive them anymore. Sorry but it difficult to trust people if they betrayed your friendship several times. No more hopes, only actions! Better to enjoy life while you alive then to wait that one day you will meet somebody honest:(:)

[Sveta's Hero]

I don't hate men. I just don't belive them anymore. Sorry but it difficult to trust people if they betrayed your friendship several times. No more hopes, only actions! Better to enjoy life while you alive then to wait that one day you will meet somebody honest:(:)


Well, I hope you do find someone that is worthy of your trust, even if you do not look for it, and that you will always be happy.

[Hoopy]

Men are all bastards and deserve to be castrated :eek:

[krevedko]

Men are all bastards and deserve to be castrated :eek:
Good idea. Are you the first in line?

To show appreciation of your good thinking, we are gonna make an exception for you and use anaesthetics and reasonably clean scissors. :becky:

[katrin-78]

Men are all bastards and deserve to be castrated :eek:
As you wish:becky:

[Crushik]

As you wish:becky:

:becky: :lol:

[RiverRock]

What do men lie about?

[statajack]

Men are all bastards and deserve to be castrated :eek:

In twenty years all men will be redundant other than as women's play things. ;)

[fbibob]

In twenty years all men will be redundant other than as women's play things. ;)

You talk like this would be a bad thing.

[katrin-78]

What do men lie about?

For example they sham that they don't understand what women mean when tell that most of men are liers:becky:

[crocman]

Singling out men as the only ones who lie is just not being truthful. How is that for irony! Women are more than capable in outdoing men in the lying department. Deception is a form of lying and some women especially on LL have made it into an art form. Having said that though, there is a positive spin to lying in some situations. We can use it as a gauge to measure someones commitment to you. If you really love or care for someone you will not be inclined to lie to them. If someone does keep lying to you then that is a good sign that they really do not care for you. If we are indeed honest with ourselves we all lie to some degree. Often we do it for the wrong reasons but sometimes we do it for the right reasons. Lying to a loved one as to not hurt their feelings????

[Lonewolf74]

Hello, dear forumers :yo:
Do you suppose such men exists or is this fairy-tale just ? :confused:
I think at moment they aren*t :eek:

Stay away from them Svetic...they are evil...stick to wolves! :becky:

[Voobrazheniye]

I don't hate men. I just don't belive them anymore. Sorry but it difficult to trust people if they betrayed your friendship several times. No more hopes, only actions! Better to enjoy life while you alive then to wait that one day you will meet somebody honest:(:)

That's exactly how many of us men are feeling about women these days.

[alenika]

Singling out men as the only ones who lie is just not being truthful. How is that for irony! Women are more than capable in outdoing men in the lying department. Don't wory sometimes men create threads like this and wonder if honest women exist :becky:

[Masichka]

Singling out men as the only ones who lie is just not being truthful. How is that for irony! Women are more than capable in outdoing men in the lying department. Deception is a form of lying and some women especially on LL have made it into an art form. Having said that though, there is a positive spin to lying in some situations. We can use it as a gauge to measure someones commitment to you. If you really love or care for someone you will not be inclined to lie to them. If someone does keep lying to you then that is a good sign that they really do not care for you. If we are indeed honest with ourselves we all lie to some degree. Often we do it for the wrong reasons but sometimes we do it for the right reasons. Lying to a loved one as to not hurt their feelings????

to crocman:

Would you, please, explain what are those right resaons for lying could be? Not to hurt thier feeling in what sense???
Not to tell them that we cheated on them because it will hurt?
Not to tell that probably there is something in relationships that bothers us because it can hurt them?
What possible reasons are you talking about? Lying is always misinformation or lack of information for your beloved one? Don't you think they have the right to know to be able to change or solve the problem? :confused:

to all:

from my experience on LL, but of cousre taking in considiration the fact that the last one was some years ago, I somehow did not bump much into liers (there always were some other issues). On the other hand, maybe I had never discovered what they lied about :becky:

[RiverRock]

Originally Posted by katrin-78 I don't hate men. I just don't belive them anymore. Sorry but it difficult to trust people if they betrayed your friendship several times. No more hopes, only actions! Better to enjoy life while you alive then to wait that one day you will meet somebody honest

That is my motto too. No more hopes, only actions. Don't listen to what people say. They even deceive themselves. What they do tells the truth.

[Voobrazheniye]

to crocman:

from my experience on LL, but of cousre taking in considiration the fact that the last one was some years ago, I somehow did not bump much into liers (there always were some other issues). On the other hand, maybe I had never discovered what they lied about :becky:

Possibly it's just that you and Rob were incredibly lucky to have found each other without having to have endured a lot of "lesser lights." You both certainly seemed to have drawn the "right ones" to each other.:kiss:

It just seems to be a lot harder for most other people. Self-inflicted? Perhaps, at least to some extent. But... it's always a lot easier to say that the "problem" is with someone else, right?:frusty:

[Masichka]

That is my motto too. No more hopes, only actions. Don't listen to what people say. They even deceive themselves. What they do tells the truth.

Actually its quite a sad thing when somebody starts believing that everybody lies around and everybody deceives themselves and we are only ones who can interpret actions of others even without thier explanation about what was going on... Truth is often the truth in eyes of the beholder... So by looking only at what people do we often can miss the point and misinterpret thier behaviour.

[Voobrazheniye]

That is my motto too. No more hopes, only actions. Don't listen to what people say. They even deceive themselves. What they do tells the truth.

Absolutely true. Especially the last part. I am dealing with this about someone now myself, and it's really sad to have to face the truth about another person's actions sometimes.

[Voobrazheniye]

Actually its quite a sad thing when somebody starts believing that everybody lies around and everybody deceives themselves and we are only ones who can interpret actions of others even without thier explanation about what was going on... Truth is often the truth in eyes of the beholder... So by looking only at what people do we often can miss the point and misinterpret thier behaviour.

In isolated cases, of course. But if look at a person's actions over a longer term, like a couple of months (or longer), you can see unmistakeable patterns that can certainly define that person's tendencies and, thus, his or her motivations.

[Masichka]

Possibly it's just that you and Rob were incredibly lucky to have found each other without having to have endured a lot of "lesser lights." You both certainly seemed to have drawn the "right ones" to each other.:kiss:

It just seems to be a lot harder for most other people. Self-inflicted? Perhaps, at least to some extent. But... it's always a lot easier to say that the "problem" is with someone else, right?:frusty:

Actually, I was refering to some years of my experience that did not have connection to my relationship with my husband. And I believe that at that time it was exactly problems within myself, not much to do with others. On the other hand, maybe you are right abot me being lucky :) and maybe from the perspective of today I cannot see or understand certain negative things and problems that were solved for me long time ago ... :)

[Masichka]

In isolated cases, of course. But if look at a person's actions over a longer term, like a couple of months (or longer), you can see unmistakeable patterns that can certainly define that person's tendencies and, thus, his or her motivations.
That is certanly true that when watching a person over a long period of time we can see certain patters in her/his behaviour and certain tendencies. And we can guess about his or her motivations (from our experience and point of view and so on) but we cannot just see as they truly are, as they are for this person (especially without talking) and cannot really say who would be more objective here. Psychologists are disputing about this topic for centuries... And why should we suddenly decide that we are the most cleaver people on the Earth and can easily see those hidden motivations of other people, if even sometimes cannot see our own.
I think that both acting and taking should be counted for better understand of another person... :)

[RiverRock]

Actually its quite a sad thing when somebody starts believing that everybody lies around and everybody deceives themselves and we are only ones who can interpret actions of others even without thier explanation about what was going on... Truth is often the truth in eyes of the beholder... So by looking only at what people do we often can miss the point and misinterpret thier behaviour.

I see what you are saying also. An example of what I am saying would be...

Lets say that there is a girl that you love very much. She says that she loves you too, and really only wants you. She believes she is telling the truth. But she goes and kisses other guys and comes back to you with reasons then does it again.

Anyone else got a better example?

[alenika]

Actually its quite a sad thing when somebody starts believing that everybody lies around and everybody deceives themselves and we are only ones who can interpret actions of others even without thier explanation about what was going on... Truth is often the truth in eyes of the beholder... So by looking only at what people do we often can miss the point and misinterpret thier behaviour. I think that it is ok to trust people but this doesn't mean to expect something from them. If to respect other people then one shouldn't idealise them or to expect to behave definite way. This means to put all the people into cages of own imagination. I think the best is to learn people and accept them as they are. Or not to accept if cannot, but still not just create some image from them and disappoin when those images have nothing with reality.

All people have some weaknesses, we all are making mistakes, the best ones also. They why to judge others who live the only way they can live?

[alenika]

Lets say that there is a girl that you love very much. She says that she loves you too, and really only wants you. She believes she is telling the truth. But she goes and kisses other guys and comes back to you with reasons then does it again. If you cannot accept this then you need another girl. Then you don't fit each other.

[Masichka]

I see what you are saying also. An example of what I am saying would be...

Lets say that there is a girl that you love very much. She says that she loves you too, and really only wants you. She believes she is telling the truth. But she goes and kisses other guys and comes back to you with reasons then does it again.

Anyone else got a better example?

What kind of kissing do u mean? And what reasons does she give so far? Because everybody understands love in a different way... Maybe her definition just does not coincide with ur definition of love? Or maybe she does lies. There are different possibilites.

[vitashenka]

to crocman:

Would you, please, explain what are those right resaons for lying could be?

I remember one interesting topick at LL about "small and big lie" or something like this... I can explain one example there i prefer to get "small lie" than truth:

If i have bought a present to BF (for example shirt) i prefer to hear from him "thank you sweety, i like this shirt" rather than "Sorry dear, but it isnt in my taste"

[Sveta's Hero]

I remember one interesting topick at LL about "small and big lie" or something like this... I can explain one example there i prefer to get "small lie" than truth:

If i have bought a present to BF (for example shirt) i prefer to hear from him "thank you sweety, i like this shirt" rather than "Sorry dear, but it isnt in my taste"


But someday he might end up with a whole closet full of shirts that are not his taste?))) Then what?

[vitashenka]

But someday he might end up with a whole closet full of shirts that are not his taste?))) Then what?

he can tel "my dear, what do u thing about shoping tomorrow together? we will buy new clothes for us both" :becky: So he can buy shirts which he wants while woman will choose new shose and maybe she will also see what kind of shirts prefer her BF :rolleyes: SO EVERYBODY HAPPY :cool:

[Sveta's Hero]

I know what you mean, Vita. These are called "little white lies".
It's not too bad if you don't want to hurt someones feelings over something like a gift, because afterall, it's the thought that counts.
My example of when little white lies don't work for me is like with my music. When I make a song or recording, I actually want to know what people think for real. Sometimes I feel that people might say it is good only to spare my feelings. I don't like that. I want to know what they really think of it. Is it really good, just ok, or does it suck?))))

[alpine-frolic]

he can tel "my dear, what do u thing about shoping tomorrow together? we will buy new clothes for us both" :becky: So he can buy shirts which he wants while woman will choose new shose and maybe she will also see what kind of shirts prefer her BF :rolleyes: SO EVERYBODY HAPPY :cool:

I don't like shopping, i don't like shirts , then what?


But i am able to lie, not a clever lier, but lier anyway. The main problem is that i often end telling when i lie...

[alpine-frolic]

I know what you mean, Vita. These are called "little white lies".
It's not too bad if you don't want to hurt someones feelings over something like a gift, because afterall, it's the thought that counts.
My example of when little white lies don't work for me is like with my music. When I make a song or recording, I actually want to know what people think for real. Sometimes I feel that people might say it is good only to spare my feelings. I don't like that. I want to know what they really think of it. Is it really good, just ok, or does it suck?))))

From me you'll know only the day i will be sure you don't run faster than me.

[dzerassa]

there r no honest men, but what is good is that there r no honest women too :)

[snow_flake]

Hello, dear forumers :yo:
Do you suppose such men exists or is this fairy-tale just ? :confused:
I think at moment they aren*t :eek: Let the forum first define av mean by the honest man, Svetlana. Difficult to discuss else:yo:

[snow_flake]

Let the forum first define av mean by the honest man, Svetlana. Difficult to discuss else:yo: Soory, i meant to wrote ......define what means with honest man.......

[dzerassa]

But someday he might end up with a whole closet full of shirts that are not his taste?))) Then what?

:lol2:


open a little shop maybe?

[vitashenka]

I know what you mean, Vita. These are called "little white lies".
It's not too bad if you don't want to hurt someones feelings over something like a gift, because afterall, it's the thought that counts.
My example of when little white lies don't work for me is like with my music. When I make a song or recording, I actually want to know what people think for real. Sometimes I feel that people might say it is good only to spare my feelings. I don't like that. I want to know what they really think of it. Is it really good, just ok, or does it suck?))))

Agree ;) But it is a little diffeent examples... i understand that for u and poetries it is importent to know the real opinion

[Sveta's Hero]

From me you'll know only the day i will be sure you don't run faster than me.


I have a sore ankle from playing basketball, so I think now is the right time.:becky::lol:

[vitashenka]

I don't like shopping, i don't like shirts , then what?


But i am able to lie, not a clever lier, but lier anyway. The main problem is that i often end telling when i lie...

so u have 2 ways:

1. to get used the taste of you GF :becky:
2. tacticall give a hint what kind of shirt and what color u like but without telling that u dont like her gift

[alpine-frolic]

The real question is with whom are men dishonest, why ,how and when.

[Masichka]

I remember one interesting topick at LL about "small and big lie" or something like this... I can explain one example there i prefer to get "small lie" than truth:

If i have bought a present to BF (for example shirt) i prefer to hear from him "thank you sweety, i like this shirt" rather than "Sorry dear, but it isnt in my taste"

In this case it's definity a personal attitude and a choice. If it's a mutual thing when you and him both feel better when other side says "I like it" when if fact he or she does not... and you both agreed on ... in such a case it just turns to be a ritual of a couple and is not really a lie because both know anyways :)

And question of presents is a difficult question anyways, because most of us are thought from our childhood to consider any present to be a good thing, be greatful for it and care about it whatever the present is...(it's a matter of manners actually) On the other hand I believe it's better to let our boyfriends/girlfriends know what our tasts are... maybe not by directly critisizing them, but at least hinting. More over there are people who don't care about presents much and they would prefer to go shopping with the one they love and buy the thing that they need the most of all instead of presents.

As for me, presents make sense for me only when I am given something that I really need or like. And other presents that I don't like... I would be But that's only me.... a lot of people like presents because they are presents. Many men many minds and that's what make our world so colorful:)

[Sveta's Hero]

I like any present, as long as it can plug into my amp:becky::p

[Masichka]

sorry I lost a halp of sentence somewhere :becky:
And other presents that I don't like... I would be just greatful for care... But that's only me.... a lot of people like presents because they are presents. Many men many minds and that's what make our world so colorful

[dzerassa]

presents is not the most upsetting thing, it can be agreed between the two people or one can accept another's way of making presents.

but in my opinion, men r often lieing without realizing they r lieing. the very moment when they say this lie they beleive in it.

[Masichka]

presents is not the most upsetting thing, it can be agreed between the two people or one can accept another's way of making presents.

but in my opinion, men r often lieing without realizing they r lieing. the very moment when they say this lie they beleive in it.

Yep, it often happens because they want to show-off but feel insecure in the same time :becky:

[Sveta's Hero]

Yep, it often happens because they want to show-off but feel insecure in the same time :becky:



Is it the same reason for women too?

[dzerassa]

Is it the same reason for women too?


women can lie even 'cause of their mood that moment :)
women r made from contraditions
one moment they r nice sweet peacefull and honest another moment they r furious stubborn and saying all possible lies, just 'cause that's how they feel that moment :)

[Masichka]

Is it the same reason for women too?

Not really. I make an analogy here ;)

When a guy after a vacation starts telling everybody that he had sex with more than 3 women it usually means he had sex only with 1... if even...
When a girl after a vacation start telling everybody that she almost had sex with 1 guy it can easily mean that she had it at least with 3 :becky:

[Sveta's Hero]

Not really. I make an analogy here ;)

When a guy after a vacation starts telling everybody that he had sex with more than 3 women it usually means he had sex only with 1... if even...
When a girl after a vacation start telingl everybody that she almost had sex with 1 guy it can easily mean that she had at least 3 :becky:


Totally get your point.

[Sveta's Hero]

women can lie even 'cause of their mood that moment :)
women r made from contraditions
one moment they r nice sweet peacefull and honest another moment they r furious stubborn and saying all possible lies, just 'cause that's how they feel that moment :)


Yes, in English we call it "menopause".:becky::lol::becky::lol::p

[statajack]

women can lie even 'cause of their mood that moment :)
women r made from contraditions
one moment they r nice sweet peacefull and honest another moment they r furious stubborn and saying all possible lies, just 'cause that's how they feel that moment :)

That's called the menopause. :becky: I'll duck when the plates start flying my way.

But let's face it, if you walk around with your eyes open, and actually observe the clothes your partner is wearing, you can get a reasonable idea of what style of clothing they will appreciate, like, and actually wear. :) Kind of helps the buying instinct don't you think ! :-)

[Sveta's Hero]

That's called the menopause. :becky:

But let's face it, if you walk around with your eyes open, and actually observe the clothes your partner is wearing, you can get a reasonable idea of what style of clothing they will appreciate, like, and actually wear. :) Kind of helps the buying instinct don't you think ! :-)


Stata, you read my mind exactly:lol:

[dzerassa]

That's called the menopause. :becky:

But let's face it, if you walk around with your eyes open, and actually observe the clothes your partner is wearing, you can get a reasonable idea of what style of clothing they will appreciate, like, and actually wear. :) Kind of helps the buying instinct don't you think ! :-)

it's called PMS - premenstrual syndrom

besides, how is it called when men behave that way? :)

all women like to make scandals just give a good reason for it... or even without a reason :)

[alpine-frolic]

Not really. I make an analogy here ;)

When a guy after a vacation starts telling everybody that he had sex with more than 3 women it usually means he had sex only with 1... if even...
When a girl after a vacation start telling everybody that she almost had sex with 1 guy it can easily mean that she had it at least with 3 :becky:

And what to think if she says you: oh he is only a friend ?

[dzerassa]

Stata, you read my mind exactly:lol:

u two found each other :)

[dzerassa]

And what to think if she says you: oh he is only a friend ?


don't beleive her

[alpine-frolic]

u two found each other :)

They are planning a rest in Brighton...i know.

[alpine-frolic]

They are planning a rest in Brighton...i know.
Does that made me a dishonest man?

[Sveta's Hero]

it's called PMS - premenstrual syndrom

besides, how is it called when men behave that way? :)


It's called "Outta beer syndrome".

[alpine-frolic]

don't beleive her
does that made me dishonest?

[Sveta's Hero]

They are planning a rest in Brighton...i know.

Only Brighton I know is in Michigan, and I would'nt rest there. Too many rednecks:becky::p

[cecilia]

it's called PMS - premenstrual syndrom

besides, how is it called when men behave that way? :)

all women like to make scandals just give a good reason for it... or even without a reason :) actually only hysterical women like to make scandals without reason ,others prefer to live in peace:)

[alpine-frolic]

I know at least the one of them :rolleyes:

take care if he is french...

[statajack]

it's called PMS - premenstrual syndrom

besides, how is it called when men behave that way? :)

all women like to make scandals just give a good reason for it... or even without a reason :)

It's called mid-life crisis !! :p

[dzerassa]

actually only hysterical women like to make scandals without reason ,others prefer to live in peace:)

я вспомнила вразу из "иван васильевич меняет профессию", когда писала это, помнишь, жена шурика говорит перед тем, как уйти от него : что ты все молчишь, просто так и тянет устроить скандал :)


guys, sorry for russian :)

[dzerassa]

Only Brighton I know is in Michigan, and I would'nt rest there. Too many rednecks:becky::p

do u mean u mind the place not the company :)

[Sveta's Hero]

do u mean u mind the place not the company :)


Actually the place is fine. Lots of lakes and nice countryside. Just some crazy rednecks live there! YEEEEEEEEE HAAAAAAAAAW!:lol::becky::lol:

[statajack]

Stata, you read my mind exactly:lol:

Great minds think alike !! :drum:

[cecilia]

women can lie even 'cause of their mood that moment :)
women r made from contraditions
one moment they r nice sweet peacefull and honest another moment they r furious stubborn and saying all possible lies, just 'cause that's how they feel that moment :)completely imposible to be honest and then chenge into lier because you feel in such way at the moment:)only in case you are lier by nature:rolleyes::)

[alpine-frolic]

Only Brighton I know is in Michigan, and I would'nt rest there. Too many rednecks:becky::p

So twice a chance to meet Ramon there!

[Sveta's Hero]

So twice a chance to meet Ramon there!


Where is the old crow, anyway?:confused:

[Crushik]

I see what you are saying also. An example of what I am saying would be...

Lets say that there is a girl that you love very much. She says that she loves you too, and really only wants you. She believes she is telling the truth. But she goes and kisses other guys and comes back to you with reasons then does it again.

Anyone else got a better example?


maybe she is over loving person :becky:

[Crushik]

Not really. I make an analogy here ;)

When a guy after a vacation starts telling everybody that he had sex with more than 3 women it usually means he had sex only with 1... if even...
When a girl after a vacation start telling everybody that she almost had sex with 1 guy it can easily mean that she had it at least with 3 :becky:


cool point :becky:

[alenika]

Yes, in English we call it "menopause".:becky::lol::becky::lol::p or this also can be that she is not lying at all :becky: She feels in love during a few hours and telling you this, then not feeling in love and going somewhere else kissing someone else :becky:

Actually... I think that what often is taken for lie is not lie. People think differently different moments and different people understand thigns differently. And almost any statement can be both true and false. For example, even when one tell s/he is in love - this may mean completely different things.
And even if one tells s/he hates you it can be completely different meaning too - depending on the person. And .. for me those words don't mean much. I can trust one who tells he hates me more than one who loves me and smiles all the time. Even if both don't lie. Just some people understand under love maybe some physical like of another or desire towards another. Which is not love at all as with this desire they can hurt a lot. And one who speaks of hate will not lie too but if he is a decent person he'll never will cheat dirtily.

There are obvious lies too of course but they are not that dangerous, like this misunderstanding truths.

[cecilia]

Actually... I think that what often is taken for lie is not lie. People think differently different moments and different people understand thigns differently. And almost any statement can be both true and false. For example, even when one tell s/he is in love - this may mean completely different things.
And even if one tells s/he hates you it can be completely different meaning too - depending on the person. And .. for me those words don't mean much. I can trust one who tells he hates me more than one who loves me and smiles all the time. Even if both don't lie. Just some people understand under love maybe some physical like of another or desire towards another. Which is not love at all as with this desire they can hurt a lot. And one who speaks of hate will not lie too but if he is a decent person he'll never will cheat dirtily.

There are obvious lies too of course but they are not that dangerous, like this misunderstanding truths.[/COLOR][/QUOTE]what is taken for lie it is lie for sure.there not really big difference in understanding things.for example if we can see the colour is white but some trying to say that is black,defenitely he or she just lies:)and if someone hates it means hate but not love. the shortest way to decieving yourself this is to believe in some misunderstanding and seening thing in way you prefered they were but they're not.

[alenika]

there not really big difference in understanding things.for example if we can see the colour is white but some trying to say that is black,defenitely he or she just lies:)and if someone hates it means hate but not love. the shortest way to decieving yourself this is to believe in some misunderstanding and seening thing in way you prefered they were but they're not. It is big difference - as some hate is much better than some love. Some man can sincerely think he loves a woman and hurt her a lot. Another will sincerely think he hates woman but will never do anything bad towards her. Maybe even help if necessary - because his hate doesn't mean hurt.

[alenika]

And I very well observed different kinds of love even here in forum. And observed love to a few women (men) at the same time and him/her wondering why someone from those few doesn't understand that s/he can love all of them.

There are different understanding of any feelings, that's why it is important to find out not if another person loves you, but what s/he understands under love.

[alpine-frolic]

At contrary i think that words and attitudes have sense for all of us, it's human commun language. Apart slightly differences when some words are said and attitudes shown we understand all the same things. If not we will be allways alone, talking only each other to ourselves.

When words are said they have been mostly thinked before, you have measured what they mean. All words engage you on a way, they are promises you make to the others.
It can happens you cannot make what you promised, unfortunately... But it could happen you have no intentions to realize your promises, that's dishonesty!

Misunderstanding can happen , in subaltern things, but in the main we are all able to make other know exactly what we feel and think if we want.

[alenika]

All words engage you on a way, they are promises you make to the others. That's how very few people understand words - as promises. Most speak words not thinking what exactly they want to say. They feel somethign and use words and think that no matter how and what they tell - this should be understood as it is. But it will be only in some cases. Words is both powerful mean for communication (understanding) and powerful mean for misunderstanding - depending how people use it and if think before speaking or no. And if they are able to use words or no.

PS: I wanted to Quote above message, not to TU. That is, TU is ok, but I don't agree.

[vitashenka]

take care if he is french...

special french :rolleyes:

[alpine-frolic]

That's how very few people understand words - as promises. Most speak words not thinking what exactly they want to say. They feel somethign and use words and think that no matter how and what they tell - this should be understood as it is. But it will be only in some cases. Words is both powerful mean for communication (understanding) and powerful mean for misunderstanding - depending how people use it and if think before speaking or no. And if they are able to use words or no.

PS: I wanted to Quote above message, not to TU. That is, TU is ok, but I don't agree. ps you can delete it, i will not hate you!

[Crushik]

I suppose if a person is honest to another one, a first must make a real some things all that she/he promised, if he/she doesn*t - he/she is non honest person.
If she/he can*t make a real something that she/he promised, there is no necessary to promise something from beginning. :rolleyes: :o :(

[alenika]

ps you can delete it, i will not hate you!I better add one more to delete previous one :cool::yo:

[Voobrazheniye]

It all starts with a person being "honest" with him or her self. But this can be difficult, because so many people develop a distorted perception of the world and their place in it. So even if they are being "honest" as they see it, their perceptions are out of touch with the rest of the world.

Or something like that. I decided to try a liter of Rogan beer tonight (5.7%):becky:

[alpine-frolic]

Youre right ,if you empty all the beer bottle and then try to look threw it like in a spy-glass, you'll see better how is really the world.
If that doesn't work with one, try another.

[Voobrazheniye]

Youre right ,if you empty all the beer bottle and then try to look threw it like in a spy-glass, you'll see better how is really the world.
If that doesn't work with one, try another.

Maybe I need one bottle for each eye?:becky:

People might start to think I'm Scottish!:lol:

[1amongmany]

Honesty is not hard to achieve, I think the problem is when a person is asked to predict the future, for example "will you love me forever?"

[Crushik]

Honesty is not hard to achieve, I think the problem is when a person is asked to predict the future, for example "will you love me forever?"

and what is your reply? :lol::becky:

[1amongmany]

if things stay the same as they are now I will love you with all my heart until the day it stops beating but we don't know what tomorrow brings so let us live for today

[Crushik]

if things stay the same as they are now I will love you with all my heart until the day it stops beating but we don't know what tomorrow brings so let us live for today

:lol: :becky:

[1amongmany]

its better than saying 'yes, of course' then something happens and the guy leaves and the woman calls him a liar or vice versa

[Crushik]

its better than saying 'yes, of course' then something happens and the guy leaves and the woman calls him a liar or vice versa

You don*t wanna to be a lier ( non honest ). but you don*t wanna to tell a truth either. Good step for being * white * and * fluffy * :becky::lol:

[1amongmany]

I would call it realistic not fluffy

[IrmaMos]

you really looking for an honest man? а вы когда-нибудь видели еврея-шахтера стахановца?

it was my favorite joke I always liked to laugh about

"Honest man"

but with time I realised. Male truth is just different from real truth:) and they are less ready to accept the failure, being more vulnerable


1.they want aproval and acceptance
2. they want to show they are different and unique
3. they are less stressresistante as conservative biological entity-female creature

That is what they nature wants them to do they need to make females likes them, identify them from a large number of males, and they cant handle refusal, ...woman can easily feel not lonely anymore, if she has a child, the male needs a woman to procreate and feel that he has continued himself and multiplied himself , then he feels less lonely and less scared in this world

more he wants to be with a woman, more he feels insecure, he feels the need to change some facts, he can even start beliving in the reality of these facts

Crushik, dont be upset, they lie , cause they want you
Being wise you easily see their small little childish lies...dont forget to punish them if they are caught, then you imporve them and with time they will be ideal liars and will never again upset you:)

[LilyaVlad]

you really looking for an honest man? а вы когда-нибудь видели еврея-шахтера стахановца?

it was my favorite joke I always liked to laugh about

"Honest man"

but with time I realised. Male truth is just different from real truth:) and they are less ready to accept the failure, being more vulnerable


1.they want aproval and acceptance
2. they want to show they are different and unique
3. they are less stressresistante as conservative biological entity-female creature

That is what they nature wants them to do they need to make females likes them, identify them from a large number of males, and they cant handle refusal, ...woman can easily feel not lonely anymore, if she has a child, the male needs a woman to procreate and feel that he has continued himself and multiplied himself , then he feels less lonely and less scared in this world

more he wants to be with a woman, more he feels insecure, he feels the need to change some facts, he can even start beliving in the reality of these facts

Crushik, dont be upset, they lie , cause they want you
Being wise you easily see their small little childish lies...dont forget to punish them if they are caught, then you imporve them and with time they will be ideal liars and will never again upset you:)

This is a perspective of men that I partly agree with.

Yes, I believe all men have an urge to pass on their genes. I do not think any man feel totally fulfilled in life unless he has his child. But I think most of us women feel the same.

Men are also genetically built to not accept refusal and to fight for what they want. If I man was to stand back and just accept refusal, then you would say he was not a man but a woman. I know a man like this. He is a great person, but maybe to femaine in his out look, because he does not conform to these stereo types.

We women want a man to be everything, caring, but tough. A sensitive lover, but to dominate. In control, but we want to control him.

[alenika]

This is a perspective of men that I partly agree with.

Yes, I believe all men have an urge to pass on their genes. I do not think any man feel totally fulfilled in life unless he has his child. But I think most of us women feel the same.I think for men instinct goes much closer, not that far :becky: They just want women and for this they will lie :becky: And kids have nothing to do with it, they are just unexpected accompany. Which in our times can be easily prevented and no child is requested anymore, not undesirable result, only first obvious pourpose.

[jimsan]

Interesting to see how you all know so much about the male population.

Of course, we are all the same, so please put us all into just one category, if it is easier for you.

[RiverRock]

"1.they want aproval and acceptance"

All humans want approval and acceptance. Some more than others.


"2. they want to show they are different and unique"

Not exactly. Men have a basic desire to feel successful and that their woman respects and value that they are a "strong" man. Some men try to prove this by "trying" to be different and unique. In which, they think makes them look better than other guys.


"3. they are less stress resistante as conservative biological entity-female creature"

Genetically that is correct due to the XX chromosome, but Generally women are less stress resistant than a real man.


That is what they nature wants them to do they need to make females likes them, identify them from a large number of males, and they cant handle refusal,
...
more he wants to be with a woman, more he feels insecure, he feels the need to change some facts, he can even start beliving in the reality of these facts

If this is how nature intended men to be, then how come the MEN that women desire are the ones who don't need to make females like them, are secure enough to handle refusal, and tell the facts whether girls like it or not?

...woman can easily feel not lonely anymore, if she has a child, the male needs a woman to procreate and feel that he has continued himself and multiplied himself , then he feels less lonely and less scared in this world

Only while she is carrying the child. A father can have just as a close relationship to their children as the mother. And the female needs a man to procreate also.

[RiverRock]

I think for men instinct goes much closer, not that far They just want women and for this they will lie And kids have nothing to do with it, they are just unexpected accompany.

Some men do want children and a family.

[Voobrazheniye]

Maybe there should be a new "social group" on the site... "Women Who Hate Men.":lol:

[Voobrazheniye]

We women want a man to be everything, caring, but tough. A sensitive lover, but to dominate. In control, but we want to control him.

Now THAT is certainly true!!:thumbsup:

[katrin-78]

Maybe there should be a new "social group" on the site... "Women Who Hate Men.":lol:

Very funny:mad2:
Cynic.

[mai_ra]

There exists a strong belief or an idea that a woman often meet a man who becomes so to say a "mirror" of her, and vice versa.

Are you sure women are honest?
:)

[Yannis]

Let's face it, women will always complain about something in men and will never be 100% satisfied, no matter how hard we try.
Even if we do all they want the way they want it they will still invent something that will cause them some level of grief, even if it is the fact that we don't piss them off enough :rolleyes:

I think that if we really want our woman happy we should give her something tangible to complain about :p

[mai_ra]

Yannis!
There is no sense to waste the time to women who always complain. If such a woman need a real medical help you may advise her a good specialist, or help her find the phone number of the doctor in Yellow Pages. LOL:lol:

It would be more forward-looking to try to find a woman who really respect and understand you :):):)

Life is good. We ourselves can make it miserable! And surely we can make miracles of Love with our hands!

[alenika]

Of course, we are all the same, so please put us all into just one category, if it is easier for you. It's not about all, it's about those who lie to women :-)

[alenika]

Some men do want children and a family. All men say they want children and family when want to get a woman. But some lie saying this, not all. And when they lie saying this - this is because they want a woman - basic instinct in work.

[alenika]

Are you sure women are honest?
:) many are not. But does this mean that men are honest?

[1amongmany]

many are not. But does this mean that men are honest?

so it is safe to say dishonesty is in both genders therefore it has nothing to do with gender, it is the person

[katrin-78]

so it is safe to say dishonesty is in both genders therefore it has nothing to do with gender, it is the person
This topic about dishonest men. Create a new about women if you want to.
But here we will discuss dishonest MEN only!

[Ms.Lora]

Svetic . dont spend so much time for finding :typing:.....time takes when you dont wait :pray2:

[IamKeenan]

This topic about dishonest men. Create a new about women if you want to.
But here we will discuss dishonest MEN only!


Maybe you should get a woman!!!:lol:

[katrin-78]

Maybe you should get a woman!!!:lol:


Better you get a man!!!!!!

It better correspond with your personality :yo:

[jimsan]

Well, if this is for dishonest men only then I gotta leave.

:)

[snow_flake]

Sometimes i guess there is possible to see who is honest man or not. But for me it also seems that women often choose the unpredictable one. And after they start complaining about all men.:becky:

[alpine-frolic]

What about an unpredictable man with an unpredictable woman?

[Voobrazheniye]

What about an unpredictable man with an unpredictable woman?

Oh, that would be SO predictable!

[statajack]

What about an unpredictable man with an unpredictable woman?

Take a cockerel and a chicken. Blindfold them both, stand back and see what happens.:cool:

[disc999golfer999]

I think of myself as being honest and having integrity. I treat others how I would want to be treated.

Honesty is a good character trait that I am looking for in my partner. How do you define honesty? I know that a marriage contract requires the spouse to disclose all assets. That is a form of honesty. But to hide things regarding financial matters is a form of "Financial Infidelity", plus it is dishonest.

How are you asking the question of honesty? Do you mean that sometimes a person will play tricks and lies? I think most of the honest people are married as their partner will value that in their spouse. Is it true that honest people tend to divorce less? If someone has been married and divorced multiple times then you have to wonder WHY...:rolleyes::eek:

[alenika]

so it is safe to say dishonesty is in both genders therefore it has nothing to do with gender, it is the person I agree. I guess there are different reasons for lie often thugh. Some reasons are the same, others differ depending on gender.

[alenika]

I think of myself as being honest and having integrity. I treat others how I would want to be treated.Honesty is good, but there are other necessary things - like heart, mind and so on :fish2::der:

[1amongmany]

This topic about dishonest men. Create a new about women if you want to.
But here we will discuss dishonest MEN only!

actually you were asking about "honest men"

I only pointed out that dishonesty is not limited to one gender

do you need a hug?:hug:

[1amongmany]

I agree. I guess there are different reasons for lie often thugh. Some reasons are the same, others differ depending on gender.

so true :thumbsup:

[Crushik]

Soory, i meant to wrote ......define what means with honest man.......

okey... to me a honest man is that not blablabla every day :becky: , but proove his words with a real actions. :p
as good he has saying - as good he has acting :) in other words, he must act in truthful way. :)

[krevedko]

Is it true that honest people tend to divorce less?
I'd actually argue with that.

Imagine spouses were always telling each other the truth... :eek: ouch, too scary to imagine :becky:

Wife (dreamily): "Honey, what are you thinking about?"
Husband (wearily): "Sweety, I think another time I hear you asking this question again, I'll break your neck. I'm also thinking it's time for you to join a fitness club and loose a few kilos as you've started to resemble your mom."
Wife (aghast): I WANNA DIVORCE AND I'M KEEPING THE HOUSE! :becky:

[snow_flake]

So after reading all 14 pages i have drawn this conclution. An honest man is signed up at UNESCO's red list

[Crushik]

So after reading all 14 pages i have drawn this conclution. An honest man is signed up at UNESCO's red list


Sorry, I*ve read from the end to start :becky: and only today have to read your post :becky::p

[alenika]

So after reading all 14 pages ... OFFTOP: Erik if you want to have less pages you can change number of posts on the page in Settings. For me this is only 4 pages. It is much more comfortable.

[krevedko]

writing comments about what females think about men, pretending to be a woman is not personal attack but the insult towards all women. Making fun of what we think about men, and making women look as clowns, and then giving other guys brilliant opportunity to say how ridiculous women and their wishes are, is unfair and shows low dignity...this man will apologize for doing that!


Irma, if that is the case this person is not making anybody else look like a clown, but him(her? - confused now :becky:)self.

Please give some credit to male population of GoGabber. I'm sure that they have brains (even though it's not easily detectable sometimes :becky:) and are not going to make any life-changing assumptions based on posts of one person. ;)

[Moddy]

all offtop and attacks were removed.

Ladies, please, keep it friendly here.

If you have something to say, PM me and I'll check everything.

[alpine-frolic]

all offtop and attacks were removed.

Ladies, please, keep it friendly here.

If you have something to say, PM me and I'll check everything.


It's very funny to see that women were not able to talk quietly about dishonesty and men.
What tigresses they are!

[alenika]

It's very funny to see that women were not able to talk quietly about dishonesty and men.
What tigresses they are!One from the women was man as I am aware :becky:

[krevedko]

One from the women was man as I am aware :becky:
Judging from the nick this person is undecided yet in respect of his/her gender. :becky:
But I believe we are all open-minded people here and have nothing against it. :)

[alpine-frolic]

One from the women was man as I am aware :becky:

:confused::rudolf:


If even women are so dishonest, being really men...Who are you really?

[Crushik]

:confused::rudolf:


If even women are so dishonest, being really men...Who are you really?

Alain, if a man show him like a woman, it*s mean that man is dishonest then and not girl :becky:

Ok, never mind :)

[LilyaVlad]

One from the women was man as I am aware :becky:



We are all women here, all I said was that men are not all bad and dishonest!

And that it must be so confusing for a man, because women want men to be everything these days. They want the traditional male roles but also what them to be understanding and sensitive to our wants and needs.

[IrmaMos]

It's very funny to see that women were not able to talk quietly about dishonesty and men.
What tigresses they are!


are u guys not able to read well!!!

Moderator, LilyaVlada is (was)a man


so ur requst " for girls to keep friendly" is an example of american double standarts?

What was supposed to be a personal attack that I ve said the sizes fit better females clothers!!!
ISnt that true IF HE IS A WOMAN? that should be seen AS COMPLIMENT

I want moderator and admin to stop these unfair accusation about me attacking a girl...moreover, if some men . continue making strange ideas about women being tigresses making fights with each others!!! thats ridiculous...if he is a man who wants to be a woman, then he should e thankful that I apreciate his female sizes ...definitly for him female strings and bra are much better fitting clothers...this man later will come and appologize for playing games with public forum


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The profile of Lilyavlad has been removed

[IrmaMos]

Thanks for removing the LilyaVlad profile

but can I know, if warning made to me about the insult of a female member , will be also removed?

I made a compiment to a man who wants to become a woman...and I really believe in this case female clothers fit his sizes much MUCH better ...or am I wrong here? smbd who wants to be seen and recognized as a woman will not be happy if the females clothers fit him? Im sure HE must be happy if his sizes fit bra and stings well

where did I make an insult?

Im very interested in understanding the definition of the "personal attack"

was it attack if I made a compliment?

[alpine-frolic]

Alain, if a man show him like a woman, it*s mean that man is dishonest then and not girl :becky:

Ok, never mind :)

Do you see how it's easy to reverse the fault?

[pavement23]

Thanks for removing the LilyaVlad profile

but can I know, if warning made to me about the insult of a female member , will be also removed?

I made a compiment to a man who wants to become a woman...and I really believe in this case female clothers fit his sizes much MUCH better ...or am I wrong here? smbd who wants to be seen and recognized as a woman will not be happy if the females clothers fit him? Im sure HE must be happy if his sizes fit bra and stings well

where did I make an insult?

Im very interested in understanding the definition of the "personal attack"

was it attack if I made a compliment?


Ok...... I hold my hands up and admit it was me and I apologise for any problems this may have caused to certain induviduals.

[alpine-frolic]

I apologize, it was really me hidden behind this woman profile....

[IrmaMos]

I apologize, it was really me hidden behind this woman profile....

one more liar, who is happy to join the group

now its obvious why men are so furious if women only start making jokes about "men-liars"...thats a very precious for males quality..it saves

[alpine-frolic]

one more liar, who is happy to join the group

now its obvious why men are so furious if women only start making jokes about "men-liars"...thats a very precious for males quality..it saves

Now we are even not sure if women are really women and some say that it exists no longer real men, what to think?

[pavement23]

one more liar, who is happy to join the group

now its obvious why men are so furious if women only start making jokes about "men-liars"...thats a very precious for males quality..it saves

Now do honest women exist?? That is a bigger question? Because I can not see many honest ladies. They will lie and play to gain all that they can and even when they have it all, still lie, play and manipulate.

Or maybe I just get involved with the wrong ones.

I have heard of women who will take money for vacations, then either do not go, or take the money and go away with others. Ladies who will go away with men to marry, then after they have had a good time, throw it all back at them.

To some ladies, lies and games are all they know. Dishonesty is all their lives are, use people against each other for their own gains. The silly thing is men allow this, because everyman wants to think he is the special one, not knowing that they are all told the same thing! How dumb we can be!

The smarter the women the bigger the games and the longer the lies.

I Write this from bitter expierence, having been with the most dishonest of them all. My own fault. But when i hear all this about dishonest men, it makes me laugh, because the biggest liers and players I have met have women.

I would like to hear replies to this.......

[Sveta's Hero]

pavement, you should have made it into a topic.

[pavement23]

pavement, you should have made it into a topic.

I wanted to, but not sure how to start a topic on here

[Sveta's Hero]

Go to forums then relationships then start new thread.

[krevedko]

Or select any of numerious existing threads on FSO ladies being scammers and gold-huntresses and start writing there :yawn: ;)

[Voobrazheniye]

Now do honest women exist?? That is a bigger question? Because I can not see many honest ladies. They will lie and play to gain all that they can and even when they have it all, still lie, play and manipulate.

Or maybe I just get involved with the wrong ones.

I have heard of women who will take money for vacations, then either do not go, or take the money and go away with others. Ladies who will go away with men to marry, then after they have had a good time, throw it all back at them.

To some ladies, lies and games are all they know. Dishonesty is all their lives are, use people against each other for their own gains. The silly thing is men allow this, because everyman wants to think he is the special one, not knowing that they are all told the same thing! How dumb we can be!

The smarter the women the bigger the games and the longer the lies.

I Write this from bitter expierence, having been with the most dishonest of them all. My own fault. But when i hear all this about dishonest men, it makes me laugh, because the biggest liers and players I have met have women.

I would like to hear replies to this.......

My reply is stop your childish pity parties and start being a man.

Look at yourself, figure out what YOU are doing wrong if you keep attracting (or going after) these "dishonest" women, and then fix your problem. The majority of women, just like the majority of men, are honest and want honesty in return. If you can't find them, then perhaps it is YOU who has the problem.

[pavement23]

My reply is stop your childish pity parties and start being a man.

Look at yourself, figure out what YOU are doing wrong if you keep attracting (or going after) these "dishonest" women, and then fix your problem. The majority of women, just like the majority of men, are honest and want honesty in return. If you can't find them, then perhaps it is YOU who has the problem.


If I am not mistaken, this topic was started and carried on to prove that men are in general "dishonest". I was not crying, but making the point that many women are also!

It has nothing to do with this crazy notion of being a "real man". There are people out there who will lie and play games no matter what. I have been with many good women in my life and with a very good one now, so I think you have either misunderstood my point or did not understand.

It is like a little "mafia" of women here who love to write things about men, but refuse to accept anything bad said about them in general.

[Sveta's Hero]

But pavement, you were not helping your own cause by creating a fake profile and pretending to be a woman.
That is dishonest!

[pavement23]

But pavement, you were not helping your own cause by creating a fake profile and pretending to be a woman.
That is dishonest!

That I agree was silly, but there were other reasons behind that...... which I also regret!!

But that profile has gone to the profile grave now!!

[Lucky]

i know i will sound funny and maybe strange :rolleyes: but during my lifetime among people i have met there were more honest men :viannen_08: that doesnt mean that women are more dishonest:viannen_37: of coz i know some honest women... i am telling just in comparison :JC_kissme::kuku:

[krevedko]

Offtop mode on: Klassnaya popka, Ivanka :D Glad you finally made it to GoGabber!
Offtop mode off.

[Lucky]

Offtop mode on: Klassnaya popka, Ivanka :D Glad you finally made it to GoGabber!
Offtop mode off.

thanks, Di :viannen_37: yeh... i fall in love with that popka from the first sight :l_moto: its cool and funny... isnt it...:peace:
by the way...;) i recognize the teacher :rolleyes::p

[zoroooo]

Hello, dear forumers :yo:
Do you suppose such men exists or is this fairy-tale just ? :confused:
I think at moment they aren*t :eek:

after been tuff yesterday my way to heall.

see a man as you want to be seen.....dont bring up negativity of the past or you will get the same try try to be that smart young person you are in heart and keep it expossed to valuable mature men

A kiss to you>.


lavuun

[Crushik]

after been tuff yesterday my way to heall.

see a man as you want to be seen.....dont bring up negativity of the past or you will get the same try try to be that smart young person you are in heart and keep it expossed to valuable mature men

A kiss to you>.


lavuun

Amen. :becky:

p.s: I don*t remember an evil, I just to have notice it :lol:

[zoroooo]

beter to say to ave read my signature...

But I hope my sweetness reaches your heart as a friend

lavvun

[zoroooo]

damm I am drinkin a great Hermitage and due this I cant write my name any more..

lavuun

[IrmaMos]

oh, poor poor pavement...u have been always moaning in forum here and there...she loves me-she loves me not:becky:...scammers rule the world.... of sneaky little losers!

hope you show us your wedding pictures very soon:becky:, and after that hopefully, you stop proving urself how nice and betrayed you are and just start being a man, who acts but not talks ...I know you for long time and u have been always talking talking talking in forum about your sorrows and bad Irma making fun or using you, attracting more guys in your mental condition of a moaning loser


You could be much more than that, if you only cured your mood changes, if you stopped saying lies to yourself, changing the sense of reality

[pavement23]

oh, poor poor pavement...u have been always moaning in forum here and there...she loves me-she loves me not:becky:...scammers rule the world.... of sneaky little losers!

hope you show us your wedding pictures very soon:becky:, and after that hopefully, you stop proving urself how nice and betrayed you are and just start being a man, who acts but not talks ...I know you for long time and u have been always talking talking talking in forum about your sorrows and bad Irma making fun or using you, attracting more guys in your mental condition of a moaning loser


You could be much more than that, if you only cured your mood changes, if you stopped saying lies to yourself, changing the sense of reality

well thank you for your best wishes my dear. I am glad you are happily married now, why you lied about it to me I do not know.

Thank you also for you concerns about my life. You know why the moaning were posted on here, just for your pleasure and entertainment...... silly boy I was!

But still, I wish you all the best with married life and family

[Crushik]

Wouldn*t you wanna to PM or :cell: each other and explain, explain this in there and not in public place who is good and who is not ??? :becky:

[Lucky]

honest men exist the same as dishonest...
do men lies?
yes... they do:biggrin1:
why do they lie?
just because :king2::first:
and dont ask them... they just dont know the answer :noidea::Laie_23::decision:

P.S. i suppose the same as woman... but here i think there is one differance - if woman lie i think she know why she do it :car:

[IrmaMos]

Wouldn*t you wanna to PM or :cell: each other and explain, explain this in there and not in public place who is good and who is not ??? :becky:

Сrushik, you are a wonderful girl, but are u sure this talk has nothing to do with the topic "Men-liars"...you really believe pevement(lilyavlada) vs Irma comments are irrelevant?

Moderating must be really interesting activity, so much of responsibility and the power of authority!

Im the master and the queen in my kitchen and bedroom. Please, help me, silly woman who lies to find truth in this mess of males games outside my kitchen... and instruct me how to act
in public forums, guide me, cause Im really lost now in all my lies and insults I ve made to innocent shemales and males, who were scammed and tricked by me into being fools and losers, since they were born

I would moderate and send you warning for the insult of the male population:yo:. The one who asks questions like that " are there honest men exist..." provokes the doubts in the honesty of males and doubts their dignity

[pavement23]

Сrushik, you are a wonderful girl, but are u sure this talk has nothing to do with the topic "Men-liars"...you really believe pevement(lilyavlada) vs Irma comments are irrelevant?

Moderating must be really interesting activity, so much of responsibility and the power of authority!

Im the master and the queen in my kitchen and bedroom. Please, help me, silly woman who lies to find truth in this mess of males games outside my kitchen... and instruct me how to act
in public forums, guide me, cause Im really lost now in all my lies and insults I ve made to innocent shemales and males, who were scammed and tricked by me into being fools and losers, since they were born

I would moderate and send you warning for the insult of the male population:yo:. The one who asks questions like that " are there honest men exist..." provokes the doubts in the honesty of males and doubts their dignity


There is no Irma vs Pavement. But the comments made maybe of some interest on thread.

I have never declared myself as innoccent, but I am not the only one in the wrong, though as a man I take the attacks in public.

We are all aware that you are the queen in all the most important rooms my dearest, as I am sure you lucky new husband understands.

There are many things we could talk about on here, but lets bury the hatchet and see where being friends gets us? I know this is a whacky idea, but want to try???

[Hoopy]

I think she wants to bury the hatchet in your head :lol:

[pavement23]

I think she wants to bury the hatchet in your head :lol:

The hatchet in my head and knife in my back have already been done....... now I surrender!!

[pavement23]

I have to stand here and say, that my personal attacks toward Irmamos were motivated by jealousy.

I wish her all the happiness in this new chapter of her life, both in love and in family.

I am strong enough to stand here and admit this, mock me if you wish, but this needed to be said between us. I am no coward who hides away from things he has done wrong, I am just being honest.

Sorry Irma

[Crushik]

Pave, be a man, I think it*s enough for crying already :cool: * I am good, I am gentle, I am cool and you are not, you are not * lalalal, 101 serie of Brazil soap opera :becky: It looks like this at the moment

[pavement23]

Pave, be a man, I think it*s enough for crying already :cool: * I am good, I am gentle, I am cool and you are not, you are not * lalalal, 101 serie of Brazil soap opera :becky: It looks like this at the moment

If you think being a man is to not apologize when you are wrong or acted in an un-gentleman like way, I think you are mistaken.

For things that I have said, not only in public, then an apology was due.

Yes this seems like a never ending soap opera, but even the best Soaps have to end at some time.:faint: