Russia to send naval squadron, to Venenzuela

[brown-raider]

Russia will be sending a naval squaron, and warplanes for exercises with Venezuela.. wish I hadn't read this story but I did... cleary this will only further chill U.S-RUSSIAN relations at the very least :eek:

[Voobrazheniye]

Russia will be sending a naval squaron, and warplanes for exercises with Venezuela.. wish I hadn't read this story but I did... cleary this will only further chill U.S-RUSSIAN relations at the very least :eek:

Yes it will. But, you can't blame the Russians for doing it. When we have ships in the Black Sea showing strong support for Georgia and even have a Coast Guard cutter stationed (temporarily) in Sevastopol, it is hard to criticize Russia's navy for engaging in exercises with a "friend" in the Western Hemisphere.

It's a classic tit-for-tat.

[beezneesman]

AFAIK it's only six ships. Nothing for you septics to worry your pretty little heads about:rolleyes:

[saprosky]

Russia will be sending a naval squaron, and warplanes for exercises with Venezuela.. wish I hadn't read this story but I did... cleary this will only further chill U.S-RUSSIAN relations at the very least :eek:


Militar exercises ???????

I think they will go to Venezuela for other kind of "exercises" :becky:

LJB43zDiips

[whynotme]

Russia will be sending a naval squaron, and warplanes for exercises with Venezuela.. wish I hadn't read this story but I did... cleary this will only further chill U.S-RUSSIAN relations at the very least :eek:


And what is question? Every year US navies took part in manoeuvres in Japan sea and visited Vladivostok ,,, Nobody lifts panic because of this ,,,
This year americans refused ,,, well,,, may be too long distance and oil is too expensive :becky:

http://s82.photobucket.com/albums/j265/millaa/?action=view&current=P7270419.jpg

[IrmaMos]

yes, first we will send our navy to Venezuella, then to Cuba...now , Gogabber girls are collecting money to sponsor the navy trip to Brazil....and that's it - all sex travellers distinations will be closed for american guys:lol:...what will you do then? Property market crisis, falling dollar, war in Iraq and Black sea costs, and even worse, NO FUN in Brazil!!!!

Guys, You d better beg for peace with the evil Russia

have you heard Russia wants to support Thailand in its request to be the Moscow province?

[dzerassa]

yes, first we will send our navy to Venezuella, then to Cuba...now , Gogabber girls are collecting money to sponsor the navy trip to Brazil....


i do think we need to do something with folkland islands, they r too far from the uk. either uk or folkland islands should be repositioned :sailaway:

[beezneesman]

i do think we need to do something with folkland islands, they r too far from the uk. either uk or folkland islands should be repositioned :sailaway:


Now you're just trying to provoke me ;-)

[saprosky]

Now you're just trying to provoke me ;-)

And Gibraltar too :neener::neener::neener:

[beezneesman]

And Gibraltar too :neener::neener::neener:


Come and have a go at taking it if you think you're hard enough ;-)

But remember Britain has never lost a war against a Hispanic nation! :-)

[dzerassa]

But remember Britain has never lost a war against a Hispanic nation! :-)


is there a nation in the world with whom britain didn't have a war ?

[dzerassa]

Now you're just trying to provoke me ;-)

in no way, we can even arrange a little ship with LL girls and help british army, besides we prepared nice underawear and skirts for british soldiers, remember ? :)

[beezneesman]

is there a nation in the world with whom britain didn't have a war ?

Osettia?

But I guess we still have time!! ;-)

[dzerassa]

Osettia?

But I guess we still have time!! ;-)

:lol2:

will u be a a part of this suicide british army campaign ?

[Sveta's Hero]

I don't see any real problems with Russia conducting excercises with Venezuela. We do such training all over the world. And until recently, we had training excercises planned with Russia too.

[beezneesman]

:lol2:

will u be a a part of this suicide british army campaign ?

Like this?
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/9/97/CatonWoodvilleLightBrigade.jpeg

[dzerassa]

Like this?
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/9/97/CatonWoodvilleLightBrigade.jpeg

what is this? picture of your campain in folklands ? :)

[saprosky]

what is this? picture of your campain in folklands ? :)

Malvinas, Islas Malvinas or Malvines Islands in english. :becky:

[beezneesman]

what is this? picture of your campain in folklands ? :)


Its the 'Charge of the Light Brigade' at Balaclava in the Crimea :-)

Not the Falklands :-)

[beezneesman]

Malvinas, Islas Malvinas or Malvines Islands in english. :becky:

You appear to have a problem with spelling - its the Falkand Islands in the only language that matters ;-)

[brown-raider]

your right Paul, but when was the last time you remeber Russia conducting the exercises with any Latin American country. no this was done in response of course to what's going on in the Black Sea... you can bet the hangernade Chavez is smiling like a jackass eating kuckel berries to be able to poke washington in the eye with this oneI don't see any real problems with Russia conducting excercises with Venezuela. We do such training all over the world. And until recently, we had training excercises planned with Russia too.

[dzerassa]

to be able to poke washington in the eye with this one

washington should simply take it easy. :)

[beezneesman]

your right Paul, but when was the last time you remeber Russia conducting the exercises with any Latin American country. no this was done in response of course to what's going on in the Black Sea... you can bet the hangernade Chavez is smiling like a jackass eating kuckel berries to be able to poke washington in the eye with this one

Well you're just going to have to get used to it so there's no point in 'stroking out' everytime someone decides they want to score a geopolitical point. The USA has no more right to tell Venezuela what to do than the Russians have to tell the Georgians what to do.

[brown-raider]

you are absolutely correct... the U.S. has no right telling anybody what friends to have. My motives for my concern are selfish, I only worry that with this continued chill between Russia-U.S. that it might affect being able to get in and out of Russia, Russia might decide to toughen up on Visas into the country..Well you're just going to have to get used to it so there's no point in 'stroking out' everytime someone decides they want to score a geopolitical point. The USA has no more right to tell Venezuela what to do than the Russians have to tell the Georgians what to do.

[beezneesman]

you are absolutely correct... the U.S. has no right telling anybody what friends to have. My motives for my concern are selfish, I only worry that with this continued chill between Russia-U.S. that it might affect being able to get in and out of Russia, Russia might decide to toughen up on Visas into the country..

Yes its the same vis a vis Russia and the UK (unfortunately)

[brown-raider]

"Dios mio que Mamasotas":becky::faint::yo:Militar exercises ???????

I think they will go to Venezuela for other kind of "exercises" :becky:

LJB43zDiips

[sliver]

washington should simply take it easy. :)

yep ) and later russia will enter into the Caracas Pact like Warsaw Treaty Organization, where there will be our allies including Cuba and of course Canada (canadians love to buy up cheap houses in florida now) the next step will be PRO systems in. ok? hope you won't mind?
tit for tat :)

[RiverRock]

yep ) and later russia will enter into the Caracas Pact like Warsaw Treaty Organization, where there will be our allies including Cuba and of course Canada

Cuba, Iran, Venezuela, ... are definitely Russia's allies. Birds of a feather flock together.

But no freedom loving, democratic country like Canada would choose to ally with Russia with its current government.

[dzerassa]

But no freedom loving, democratic country like Canada would choose to ally with Russia with its current government.

it's not them choosing, it's we choose :)

[brown-raider]

wow! has Nakita Kruschev come back from the dead... will we see missles in Cuba:lol:it's not them choosing, it's we choose :)

[dzerassa]

wow! has Nakita Kruschev come back from the dead... will we see missles in Cuba:lol:

Nikitka? we don't need him as well as we don't need missles in cuba.
our girls r doing good job in your countries, it's a non-weapon invasion, they recruit so many of u guys there :)

[sliver]

But no freedom loving, democratic country...
gosh.. )))

btw, my last kids observation: massive pro-georgian/anti-russian propaganda of your media hasn't even left a chance for the young russians to think about freedom and democracy in respect of usa and its 'projects'.
now we're watching pilgrimage of georgian opposition to usa (for training) because the current president is a big 'staff error' and he should be gone. (about HR job better to ask don_pedro, he enjoys the subject)
my daughter yesterday told me that her school friends wear t-shirts with usama bin laden.. i asked her why. she answered cause they are dissapointed in usa as country and its people. although i tried to explain that mass media is the tool of propaganda, it cannot be free cause mostly committed (*damn, i'm writing this now and lol*). she answered to that: then americans are idiots to believe in all this lie and ideological rubbish.
guys, may i say that you have lost respect of the next russian generation? ;)

[brown-raider]

gosh.. )))

btw, my last kids observation: massive pro-georgian/anti-russian propaganda of your media hasn't even left a chance for the young russians to think about freedom and democracy in respect of usa and its 'projects'.
now we're watching pilgrimage of georgian opposition to usa (for training) because the current president is a big 'staff error' and he should be gone. (about HR job better to ask don_pedro, he enjoys the subject)
my daughter yesterday told me that her school friends wear t-shirts with usama bin laden.. i asked her why. she answered cause they are dissapointed in usa as country and its people. although i tried to explain that mass media is the tool of propaganda, it cannot be free cause mostly committed (*damn, i'm writing this now and lol*). she answered to that: then americans are idiots to believe in all this lie and ideological rubbish.
guys, may i say that you have lost respect of the next russian generation? ;)Osama Bin Laden t-shirts.... humm!! how many russians did he kill in Afghanistan?
well I'm happy to tell you my 13 year old son doesn't wear anti russian t-shrts nor does anyone else at his school.. so it sounds like your media is doing a better job at brainwashing... if my kid wore any stupid t-shirt against russia I would throw it away and punish him... but it won't happen because the baverage kid here has no time to be concerned with things the government is doing..

[brown-raider]

Nikitka? we don't need him as well as we don't need missles in cuba.
our girls r doing good job in your countries, it's a non-weapon invasion, they recruit so many of u guys there :)huh! you got me there and I have a Ruskie in my bed right now... so that's why she married me, the sneak...:lol:

[sliver]

well I'm happy to tell you my 13 year old son doesn't wear anti russian t-shrts nor does anyone else at his school.. so it sounds like your media is doing a better job at brainwashing...

nope, it means that russian mass media didn't tell so cynical lie

[sliver]

poor bin laden ) how hard for him to be virtual guy in Inet videos

[brown-raider]

poor bin laden ) how hard for him to be virtual guy in Inet videosso i don't get it were you bragging or complaining when you mentioned your story about your daughters t-shirt? aren't parents the ultimate athourity on what the child does and does not do? if my kid came home from school with some bullsh*t t-shirt and telling me what they had learned at school, i would take my kid to the school and demand to talk to the teacher and the principal, and I would give them both hell... since when is it exceptable to allow kids to hate another country because of the media.. nobody here is mounting any kind of campaign to dislike Russia or Russians
I'm sure your no one has ever mentioned to your child that America was the biggest financial contributer Russia had in the 90's.... if you are proud of the anti American sentiment that is being diplayed then so be it, but I wouldn't feel the same regarding Russia:yo:

[sliver]

so i don't get it were you bragging or complaining when you mentioned your story about your daughters t-shirt? aren't parents the ultimate athourity on what the child does and does not do? if my kid came home from school with some bullsh*t t-shirt and telling me what they had learned at school, i would take my kid to the school and demand to talk to the teacher and the principal, and I would give them both hell... since when is it exceptable to allow kids to hate another country because of the media.. nobody here is mounting any kind of campaign to dislike Russia or Russians
I'm sure your no one has ever mentioned to your child that America was the biggest financial contributer Russia had in the 90's.... if you are proud of the anti American sentiment that is being diplayed then so be it, but I wouldn't feel the same regarding Russia:yo:

i didn't say kids hate. they dissappointed in so called american values you declare so loudly. yes, it's sad that they laugh at it by wearing t-shirts. that's why i asked if it's lose of respect of our kids..
and i definitely feel no need in your lecture how to bring up kids :yo:

[IrmaMos]

Cuba, Iran, Venezuela, ... are definitely Russia's allies. Birds of a feather flock together.

But no freedom loving, democratic country like Canada would choose to ally with Russia with its current government.

Interesting, why Mexica is not in this one line with pro-russian countries? As history says, mexican territory was annexed by americans in the 19th century , and huge war had taken its place. Probably, this action was freedom loving and very democratic...guess UN would not have anything againts that small annextion (terrority of Texas and California was taken away from Mexica by american troops)

are that double standarts or the freedom loving democracy?

[fbibob]

For those that do not understand how this part of Mexico became part of the USA.

Yes, there was a war between the US and Mexico. US troops managed to capture Santa Ana, the president of Mexico. In exchange for his freedom, he gave the territory to the US that is now California and parts of Texas, New Mexico, etc.

The interesting thing is that the reason the war started was because Americans were asked to settle in this land because Santa Ana could not get Mexicans to live there. He had to ask Americans to homestead this empty land. And when he became nervous and wanted to disarm the Americans (they wanted to keep the weapons to fight hostile Indians) a war started, beginning at the Alamo.

[IrmaMos]

For those that do not understand how this part of Mexico became part of the USA.

Yes, there was a war between the US and Mexico. US troops managed to capture Santa Ana, the president of Mexico. In exchange for his freedom, he gave the territory to the US that is now California and parts of Texas, New Mexico, etc.

The interesting thing is that the reason the war started was because Americans were asked to settle in this land because Santa Ana could not get Mexicans to live there. He had to ask Americans to homestead this empty land. And when he became nervous and wanted to disarm the Americans (they wanted to keep the weapons to fight hostile Indians) a war started, beginning at the Alamo.

For those who forgot some facts!:yo: Mexicans DIDNT want americans to be there


Annexation of Texas.
The Southern people were anxious to have the State of Texas annexed to the United States, and such a desire was a prevailing feeling in that sovereign State. The proposition, when formally made, was opposed by the people of the North, because the annexation would increase the area and political strength of the slave power, and lead to a war with Mexico. But the matter was persisted in by the South, and, with the approbation of President Tyler, a treaty to that effect was signed in Washington, D. C., April 12, 1844, by Mr. Calhoun, Secretary of State, and Messrs. Van Zandt and Henderson on the part of Texas. It was rejected by the Senate in June following. The project was presented at the next session of Congress in the form of a joint resolution. It had been made a leading political question at the Presidential election in the autumn of 1844.
The annexation of Texas caused an immediate rupture between the United States and Mexico, for the latter claimed Texas as a part of her territory, notwithstanding its independence had been acknowledged by the United States, England, France, and other governments. When Congress had adopted the joint resolution for the annexation of TEXAS to the United States, General Almonte,

On June 4 following the President of Mexico (Herrera) issued a proclamation declaring the right of Mexico to the Texan territory, and his determination to defend it by arms, if necessary. At that time he was very very ready to fight, the same as mexicans did

Impoverished by civil war, it did not hesitate to replenish its treasury by plundering American vessels in the Gulf of Mexico, or by confiscating the property of American merchants within its borders. The United States government remonstrated in vain until 1831, when a treaty was made and promises of redress were given. These promises were never fulfilled. Robberies continued; and, in 1840, the aggregate value of property belonging to Americans which had been appropriated by the Mexicans amounted to more than $6,000,000. The claim for this amount was unsatisfied when the annexation of Texas took place in 1845.
Being fully aware of the hostile feelings of the Mexicans, President Polk ordered (July, 1845) General Zachary Taylor, then in command of the United States troops in the Southwest, to go to Texas and take a position as near the Rio Grande as prudence would allow. This force, about 1,500 strong, was called the Army of Occupation for the defense of Texas. At the same time a strong naval force, under Commodore Conner, sailed to the Gulf of Mexico to protect American interests there.

Feb. 8, 1847, the annexation of California to the United States Meanwhile, Colonel Doniphan, detached by Kearny, with 1,000 Missouri volunteers, marched towards Chihuahua to join General Wool. In two engagements with Mexicans he was victorious.


The conquest of all northern Mexico was now complete. Americans attacked Santa Ana with 14,000 Mexicans, Sept. 8. That night Santa Ana and his troops, with the civil officers, fled from the city, and, at 4 A.M. the next day, a deputation from the municipal authorities waited upon Scott, begging him to spare the town and treat for peace. He would make no terms, but entered the city, Sept. 13, a conqueror ; and from the grand plaza he proclaimed the conquest of the republic of Mexico. Santa Ana made some feeble efforts to regain lost power, but failed. He was defeated in two slight battles.

The treaty of peace with the United States commissioners was ratified by both governments, and, on July 4, 1848 proclaimed it. It stipulated the evacuation of Mexico by the American troops within three months; the payment of $3,000,000 in hand, and $12,000,000 in four annual installments, by the United States to Mexico, for New Mexico and California, which had become territory of the United States by conquest, and, in addition, to assume debts due certain citizens of the United States from Mexico to the amount of $3,500,000. It also fixed boundaries and otherwise adjusted matters in dispute.

The final treaty ratified in 1854, that set the boundaries the United States was to be released from all obligations imposed by the treaty of peace with Mexico in 1848, and, as a consideration for this release, and for the territory ceded by Mexico, the United States agreed to pay the latter $10,000,000—$7,000,000 on the ratification of the treaty. Since then Mexico and USA always have had peaceful relationships

Russian girls are ready to pay the mexican debts back to USA , but we would like to get part of Texas in our joint property

[RiverRock]

Interesting, why Mexica is not in this one line with pro-russian countries? As history says, mexican territory was annexed by americans in the 19th century , and huge war had taken its place. Probably, this action was freedom loving and very democratic...guess UN would not have anything againts that small annextion (terrority of Texas and California was taken away from Mexica by american troops)

are that double standarts or the freedom loving democracy?

Mexico is not pro-russian and is an ally of the U.S. In history the republic of Texas (not yet Americans) won its independence from Mexico and was then annexed by the U.S. Texans are crazy. Must have been Bush's ancestors. Also, modern Mexicans are glad Texas, etc.. is part of the U.S.A. Much better jobs for them.

There are no double standards. The U.S. constitution was designed only to protect the freedom and democracy of U.S. citizens. It is up to each nation of people to fight for their freedom and to form their own government. The U.S. only tries to help or lead the way when needed to oppose dictatorial leaders. Some nations are just too corrupt and un-inspired for democracy to begin to work.

[brown-raider]

For those who forgot some facts!:yo: Mexicans DIDNT want americans to be there


Annexation of Texas.
The Southern people were anxious to have the State of Texas annexed to the United States, and such a desire was a prevailing feeling in that sovereign State. The proposition, when formally made, was opposed by the people of the North, because the annexation would increase the area and political strength of the slave power, and lead to a war with Mexico. But the matter was persisted in by the South, and, with the approbation of President Tyler, a treaty to that effect was signed in Washington, D. C., April 12, 1844, by Mr. Calhoun, Secretary of State, and Messrs. Van Zandt and Henderson on the part of Texas. It was rejected by the Senate in June following. The project was presented at the next session of Congress in the form of a joint resolution. It had been made a leading political question at the Presidential election in the autumn of 1844.
The annexation of Texas caused an immediate rupture between the United States and Mexico, for the latter claimed Texas as a part of her territory, notwithstanding its independence had been acknowledged by the United States, England, France, and other governments. When Congress had adopted the joint resolution for the annexation of TEXAS to the United States, General Almonte,

On June 4 following the President of Mexico (Herrera) issued a proclamation declaring the right of Mexico to the Texan territory, and his determination to defend it by arms, if necessary. At that time he was very very ready to fight, the same as mexicans did

Impoverished by civil war, it did not hesitate to replenish its treasury by plundering American vessels in the Gulf of Mexico, or by confiscating the property of American merchants within its borders. The United States government remonstrated in vain until 1831, when a treaty was made and promises of redress were given. These promises were never fulfilled. Robberies continued; and, in 1840, the aggregate value of property belonging to Americans which had been appropriated by the Mexicans amounted to more than $6,000,000. The claim for this amount was unsatisfied when the annexation of Texas took place in 1845.
Being fully aware of the hostile feelings of the Mexicans, President Polk ordered (July, 1845) General Zachary Taylor, then in command of the United States troops in the Southwest, to go to Texas and take a position as near the Rio Grande as prudence would allow. This force, about 1,500 strong, was called the Army of Occupation for the defense of Texas. At the same time a strong naval force, under Commodore Conner, sailed to the Gulf of Mexico to protect American interests there.

Feb. 8, 1847, the annexation of California to the United States Meanwhile, Colonel Doniphan, detached by Kearny, with 1,000 Missouri volunteers, marched towards Chihuahua to join General Wool. In two engagements with Mexicans he was victorious.


The conquest of all northern Mexico was now complete. Americans attacked Santa Ana with 14,000 Mexicans, Sept. 8. That night Santa Ana and his troops, with the civil officers, fled from the city, and, at 4 A.M. the next day, a deputation from the municipal authorities waited upon Scott, begging him to spare the town and treat for peace. He would make no terms, but entered the city, Sept. 13, a conqueror ; and from the grand plaza he proclaimed the conquest of the republic of Mexico. Santa Ana made some feeble efforts to regain lost power, but failed. He was defeated in two slight battles.

The treaty of peace with the United States commissioners was ratified by both governments, and, on July 4, 1848 proclaimed it. It stipulated the evacuation of Mexico by the American troops within three months; the payment of $3,000,000 in hand, and $12,000,000 in four annual installments, by the United States to Mexico, for New Mexico and California, which had become territory of the United States by conquest, and, in addition, to assume debts due certain citizens of the United States from Mexico to the amount of $3,500,000. It also fixed boundaries and otherwise adjusted matters in dispute.

The final treaty ratified in 1854, that set the boundaries the United States was to be released from all obligations imposed by the treaty of peace with Mexico in 1848, and, as a consideration for this release, and for the territory ceded by Mexico, the United States agreed to pay the latter $10,000,000—$7,000,000 on the ratification of the treaty. Since then Mexico and USA always have had peaceful relationships

Russian girls are ready to pay the mexican debts back to USA , but we would like to get part of Texas in our joint propertygood info irma... but honestly the majority of mexicans that are here are greatful this is not Mexico, or el.se it would be like the rest of Mexico..... poverty everywhere. I'm so glad my great great grandfather came to America.... Crooked Presidents have cripled Mexico... regardless of the name they have all been the same... except Fox of the 42 million Latins that are here a good majority are Mexican, that is not by accident.... I'm not even sure Mexico has an airforce.... I know they have a Navy they don't want to make anywaves:yo:

[brown-raider]

Congrats by the way to you nad your guy ... lots of luck and god bless you pretty lady:yo:

[dzerassa]

Sometimes when i read our usa guys i have a feeling their country is such an angel with wings :JC_cupidgirl:

[brown-raider]

Sometimes when i read our usa guys i have a feeling their country is such an angel with wings :JC_cupidgirl:Funny I have the same feeling when I read some of the gals post about Russia...:lol:

[dzerassa]

it's for russian speakers :)

try to download from youtube which is not easy here :)

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[dzerassa]

it worked !!! :clap2:

[dzerassa]

its the Falkand Islands in the only language that matters ;-)

u better say it's the only language u know

[beezneesman]

u better say it's the only language u know

But it's still the only language that matters in relation to the Falkand Islands ;)

We'll make a deal with you - we won't say anything about Russia looking for oil in the Arctic if you don't make a fuss about us doing the same off the Falkands ;-)

[dzerassa]

We'll make a deal with you - we won't say anything about Russia looking for oil in the Arctic if you don't make a fuss about us doing the same off the Falkands ;-)

u won't say to russia about arctic anyway, as for folklands there r other countries who worry about it, much closer than russia to these islands

[Lucker]

With the price of Oil dropping fast and the Russian Stock Market down 40% , this flotilla of glorified fishing smacks might have to turn round and sail straight back .
On the other hand , they are bound to be crammed with Volunteers and International Peacekeepers . So , perhaps they could row into the Gulf of Mexico and give humanitarian
aid to storm struck unfortunates .

[huney]

I suppose its just as possible the TU 160 strategic bombers at the Libertador airfield are being converted to hurricane hunters.

[beezneesman]

I suppose its just as possible the TU 160 strategic bombers at the Libertador airfield are being converted to hurricane hunters.

I can't see a couple of Tu 160 giving any Western airforce much trouble :)

[saprosky]

Chavez is well-knowed in South America and in Spain for his funny (to not say crazy) public speech. He has a weekly program in the public TV (oposition TV channels are closed) and like his close friend Fidel he can speaks many hours abouts his madness ideas.

After bolivian government expelled US ambassador, Mr. Chavez did the same. In this meeting, he explain to his fanatics what happened

Maybe now he fells strong with the aircraft bombers support from Russia and he wants to provoke USA and other surrounded countries.


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PS: If you understand spanish will laugh a lot :becky:. Subtitles are not so real translation.

[IrmaMos]

Brown-Rider, thanks for your comment.
But I need to disagree in the matters of mexica. Now , probably, they all are happy they are part of USA, but when it was the times of Mexocan war, they did their best to fight, they did all what they could, but their army was desrtroyed, people were killed, the reast were made to sign the contract, the rest, means the ones who were in goverment, left alive after war , and they got good money for this agreement. SO to say now, mexicans didnt need their land and now they are happy they are americans is unfair, so much time passed, now they got used, got families, jobs here..


Riverrock, all your comment is a double standart fairy tale.You only use guns to protect freedom of US citizens!!! but in the same comment u say u use guns "to lead the way !!!!when needed!!!! (needed by who?) to oppose dictatorial leaders!!!! (Chili , general Pinochet who killed the existing at that time President of Chili , was fighting for Freedom! And the President was dictator who didnt want to agree with USA??)

thats why when he using american guns killed the existing goverment and proclaimed himself to be the leader, the first country who aproved was USA...and yes, he had the right to do that and to make his own goverment, but then WHY osetian people dont have the right to make their own goverment!!!!!???? because u americans call it against the rules and democratic principles? Why is that its up to u to decide what democracy is? and why is that you make the rules? you are just a nation living in the Nothern America and travelling the world with your navy!

Mexico is not pro-russian and is an ally of the U.S. In history the republic of Texas (not yet Americans) won its independence from Mexico and was then annexed by the U.S. Texans are crazy. Must have been Bush's ancestors. Also, modern Mexicans are glad Texas, etc.. is part of the U.S.A. Much better jobs for them.

There are no double standards. The U.S. constitution was designed only to protect the freedom and democracy of U.S. citizens. It is up to each nation of people to fight for their freedom and to form their own government. The U.S. only tries to help or lead the way when needed to oppose dictatorial leaders. Some nations are just too corrupt and un-inspired for democracy to begin to work.

The U.S. constitution was designed only to protect the freedom and democracy of U.S. citizens

first , u illed indians, took away their land, then forced mexians to agree with ur new rules, and give their land away to u

It is up to each nation of people to fight for their freedom and to form their own government

Osetia has this right also, and Russia is not making any annexation, Osetia is not the part of Russia, they are independant and we will be protecting their independance by our army..obviously, u not going to like it

The U.S. only tries to help or lead the way when needed to oppose dictatorial leaders.

I find your goverment is very dictatorial. If I collect enough money, can I help mexicans now? Or maybe you tell us more about Chili and their dictator who was aproved by USA?

Some nations are just too corrupt and un-inspired for democracy to begin to work.

These nations are probably the ones who dont like american wish to rule and tell them what they should do
Iraq was the one. Why did you americans lie about chemical weapons there? None were found!

[Lucker]

. Why did you americans lie about chemical weapons there? None were found![/QUOTE]


This is a wonderful recent example to highlight the difficulties of running a State imo
At one extreme you can have a totally Autocratic system where one person essentially makes the huge decisions or you can try Democracy which is based on transparency .
I think we already know that there was a small faction in the US -----possibly CIA , possibly Neocon Politicians , possibly both , who -- it now appears --- deliberately misled not only the world but their political masters and their military .
We in Britain were essentially duped into war and whether Blair was a deliberate liar or just misinformed , we do not yet know with certainty .
The magic of our system is that such an issue can never be hidden and the truth will emerge in time and nothing can halt this process . The other benefit that we enjoy is that it is hard to ever be ruled and manipulated by one person or one small group because of the checks and balances built into the system .You can lie or cheat once . But not twice .And because we have an independent , uncorrupted Judiciary , the liars are punished .

On the other hand , Autocracy makes no attempt at transparency and there are no checks or balances within the system to find the truth .
Take your second war with Chechnya . It is doubtful that we would have realised how this war was engineered if it had not been for the amazing actions of essentially one man -- Litvinenko .He stood up and told the truth but because there are no checks or balances in your system , he is now seen as a traitor of the highest order ( because that is the accepted fiction ) instead of a remarkable Hero -- which eventually will be his final position in History .
So , whilst I do not defend our involvement in Iraq , and actually find it deeply offensive , I would be very wary of thinking your History is in any way better or superior .
In fact , for the reasons I have outlined , the example of Iraq and Chechnya is compelling evidence to point towards a goal of Democracy rather than the madness ( Historically) of Autocracy .

[IrmaMos]

. Why did you americans lie about chemical weapons there? None were found!



In fact , for the reasons I have outlined , the example of Iraq and Chechnya is compelling evidence to point towards a goal of Democracy rather than the madness ( Historically) of Autocracy .[/QUOTE]


there is so much wisdom in your opinion..

but still only weak oponents use this method to answer the questions, pointing out the other side's faults. It was a question about the chemical weapons in Iraq, which was the reason for "standing up for the democratic values" and "protecting freedom of western world" by using guns in Iraq All this story by all means was and is about OIL.

Anyways, if you mentioned Chechnya. Where is it located? How far from russian borders? Is it located in Africa, or maybe in North America? It was the part of Russia, since the Tzar times, like Mexican Texas was in the USA since the 17th century, and americans now all say that mexicans are happy for being americans and should be thankful for losing the mexican war. Chechnya was a part of Russia, lots people never wanted to separate, lots had jobs, families, connections with Russia, weakness of central goverment was used by outside gamers to start the war for oil, does Checnya want to be independant now? Do they have the right for independance in making decisions in what they want and if they are independant enough to be "taken in gentle hand" and then letting yoy have your own oil lines? Or it is up to America (as the toy of UK) only to say what they really want and need? Chechnya has its own goverment, which already answered McKein, who said that the issue of independant Chechnya, (means war and deaths in Russia), should be revealed...the leader of Chechen goverment already asnwered that laughing...I guess the issue of independant mexicans should be also revealed. There will be always people who want fights and wars, they will say YES to anything, it is just a matter of some organization and brainwashing on TV. Do Americans want new war in Texas?

[LilyaVlad]

I have said it before...... USA needs a war and the further away the better!!

[Neilikka]

Sorry for my being so stupid, but can anybody explain me how it is possible to name the annexation of Texas by the USA in 1845 a "voluntary"one?
How was it possible that independent Texas requested the US government to annex it? The US Congress sanctioned the proposal. I wonder if it was legal.
When Mexico protested, the US government did not consider its action of annexation as a violation of any of the rights of Mexico. However, when Texas opted out of the Union in February 1861 so as to be unhindered in preserving and propagating slavery, Lincoln battled against the secession, committed as he was to freedom and democracy. Was it legal too?
In both cases Texanians expressed their will. But in the first case it was approved by the USA as it was beneficial for the states to get Mexican land and in the second case people's will was ignored.Wasn't it a violation of human rights?
:clubonhead::Laie_50:

[Hoopy]

Everyone is talking about Texas which is almost 2 centuries ago.The world is a much different place now and no reference can be made to actions of goverments then to actions of goverments now.Everyone at that time wanted empires and got them whatever way they could.
It's actually quite funny that people think actions of goverments even 100 years ago and actions now can be comparable.

[IrmaMos]

Everyone is talking about Texas which is almost 2 centuries ago.The world is a much different place now and no reference can be made to actions of goverments then to actions of goverments now.Everyone at that time wanted empires and got them whatever way they could.
It's actually quite funny that people think actions of goverments even 100 years ago and actions now can be comparable.

Woman just asked a question not trying to compare anything!

"Sorry for my being so stupid, but can anybody explain me how it is possible to name the annexation of Texas by the USA in 1845 a "voluntary"one?
How was it possible that independent Texas requested the US government to annex it? The US Congress sanctioned the proposal. I wonder if it was legal.
When Mexico protested, the US government did not consider its action of annexation as a violation of any of the rights of Mexico. However, when Texas opted out of the Union in February 1861 so as to be unhindered in preserving and propagating slavery, Lincoln battled against the secession, committed as he was to freedom and democracy. Was it legal too?
In both cases Texanians expressed their will. But in the first case it was approved by the USA as it was beneficial for the states to get Mexican land and in the second case people's will was ignored.Wasn't it a violation of human rights?"


Simple question on history is left with such a response. Shame on you

People are just interested in your country's history and you see some accusations in "empire colonial activity"?

By the way, if the principles of communication didnt change, means historical lessons have not been learned... who was killed by Iraq to bring forces there? Iraq was a danger to democtaric values? WHos values? Where was the chemical weapons? Ah , i remember it was Iraq who sent terrorists to kill people in NY!!!

Of course its funny if people try to made double standarts

[Hoopy]

People are just interested in your country's history and you see some accusations in "empire colonial activity"?


Scotlands never had any aspirations of an empire,we let our whisky do that for us :becky:

[IrmaMos]

Scotlands never had any aspirations of an empire,we let our whisky do that for us :becky:

then why do u answer the question which isnot meant to be answered by you?

you bored? No football on tv?

how are your landscapes doing;):yo: do people there already want to have the ground for usa airforces landing? guess, after ours land in venezuella, America can need some space in Scotland also

[LilyaVlad]

then why do u answer the question which isnot meant to be answered by you?

you bored? No football on tv?

how are your landscapes doing;):yo: do people there already want to have the ground for usa airforces landing? guess, after ours land in venezuella, America can need some space in Scotland also

I have been in Scotland many times and it is a beautiful place. But traditionally, the whole of Britain has been a aircraft and missile Base for the USA.

Nothing new there, I have heard.

[brown-raider]

Brown-Rider, thanks for your comment.
But I need to disagree in the matters of mexica. Now , probably, they all are happy they are part of USA, but when it was the times of Mexocan war, they did their best to fight, they did all what they could, but their army was desrtroyed, people were killed, the reast were made to sign the contract, the rest, means the ones who were in goverment, left alive after war , and they got good money for this agreement. SO to say now, mexicans didnt need their land and now they are happy they are americans is unfair, so much time passed, now they got used, got families, jobs here..


Riverrock, all your comment is a double standart fairy tale.You only use guns to protect freedom of US citizens!!! but in the same comment u say u use guns "to lead the way !!!!when needed!!!! (needed by who?) to oppose dictatorial leaders!!!! (Chili , general Pinochet who killed the existing at that time President of Chili , was fighting for Freedom! And the President was dictator who didnt want to agree with USA??)

thats why when he using american guns killed the existing goverment and proclaimed himself to be the leader, the first country who aproved was USA...and yes, he had the right to do that and to make his own goverment, but then WHY osetian people dont have the right to make their own goverment!!!!!???? because u americans call it against the rules and democratic principles? Why is that its up to u to decide what democracy is? and why is that you make the rules? you are just a nation living in the Nothern America and travelling the world with your navy!



The U.S. constitution was designed only to protect the freedom and democracy of U.S. citizens

first , u illed indians, took away their land, then forced mexians to agree with ur new rules, and give their land away to u

It is up to each nation of people to fight for their freedom and to form their own government

Osetia has this right also, and Russia is not making any annexation, Osetia is not the part of Russia, they are independant and we will be protecting their independance by our army..obviously, u not going to like it

The U.S. only tries to help or lead the way when needed to oppose dictatorial leaders.

I find your goverment is very dictatorial. If I collect enough money, can I help mexicans now? Or maybe you tell us more about Chili and their dictator who was aproved by USA?

Some nations are just too corrupt and un-inspired for democracy to begin to work.

These nations are probably the ones who dont like american wish to rule and tell them what they should do
Iraq was the one. Why did you americans lie about chemical weapons there? None were found!UH UH UH! Not so fast Irma the most! if you remember Many Mexicans fought against Mexico... and as for now yes many Mexicans are glad this area is no longer Mexico's and because I am Mexican no body can make that assesment better than my self especially after traveling through the good bad and poverty stricken areas of Mexico... that's why men will leave their families years at a time risk their lives just to come north to try to make some money to better their lives in Mexico or try to stay here and bring their families north.:plane:

[brown-raider]

I have said it before...... USA needs a war and the further away the better!!
And your opinion is that Russia will bring it to us.... :confused:

[Hoopy]

I have been in Scotland many times and it is a beautiful place. But traditionally, the whole of Britain has been a aircraft and missile Base for the USA.

Nothing new there, I have heard.Is this a personal view or fact?If fact please quote your sources.

[beezneesman]

Scotlands never had any aspirations of an empire,we let our whisky do that for us :becky:

That is factually incorrect. It was Scotland's failed attempt at creating it's own empire (starting in Central America) that bankrupted Scotland and led directly to it being bailed out financially by England as part of the Act of Union.