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Lucker
03-13-2009, 03:13 PM
Everything happening in Abkhasia and North and South Ossetia suggests Russia wants to be ready for invasion in May , say .
By then , the present internal rumblings in the Federation will have turned to full scale civil protests and even the new " Black Shirt " civilian police may have difficulty controlling matters -- let alone the Military who are on full time alert .
Put In knows the game is close to ending for him and his strategies to keep control of the population's good favour will have to become more radical and risky .
He is a past master of creating going to war with a manufactured enemy and now Georgia seems the ready made target . Vital , when he will actually have lost control of internal affairs .
To achieve this in Georgia he knows he must brutally repress North Caucasian freedom fighters from Chechnya , Inguisetia and Dagestan . He possibly could not handle the whole area rising up against him .This is exactly the type of attempted repression we have been seeing the last few months and which is barely reported inside the Federation .

Separately , Put In has almost certainly been advised that the Eurozone will be in disarray as financial mayhem grips what are the major NATO countries . They will be so busy trying to save their own skins that looking after Georgia will conveniently disappear as a top priority .
America will not get involved and will restrict itself to the kind of Bull Shit stastements we got when they tacitly approved Israel crucifying Gaza . Such are the realities of life !!
So get ready folks for another calculated and fully rehearsed Russia led war. They are laying down the hard work now and are absolutely certain to create and manufacture incidents to try and convince the politically naieve that the opposite is the case .




Fog hangs over the mountainous road between Russia and Georgia

It is early springtime and in the mountain passes separating Georgia from Russia, there is snowfall one day and wet snow or rain the next. Avalanches and mudslides caused by wet snow regularly close down the only road connecting Russia and the breakaway region of South Ossetia through the Roki Tunnel (RIA Novosti, March 9). Low clouds and fog in the mountains keep Russian helicopters and jets grounded for days and weeks. But in two months, the weather will be fine. In May the last snow will melt on the high mountain passes and it will be wartime again in the region.

The period when war was physically impossible in the Caucasus is now almost over, but the halfhearted attempts by European Union mediators to strengthen the ceasefire have accomplished virtually nothing. Last month at Russia's request, the EU-sponsored peace talks in Geneva were suspended until the end of June (RIA Novosti, February 19). Since Moscow refuses to have any contacts with Tbilisi outside the Geneva format, this four-month adjournment is potentially a very bad sign.

The ceasefire continues to be fragile, with both sides trading mutual accusations and sometimes sporadic live fire. The OSCE, United Nations, and unarmed EU observers lack the mandate or the capability to separate the opposing forces or impose a permanent and sustainable truce. The monitors are unarmed; they cannot perform even minimal police functions to prevent banditry and looting in the immediate cease-fire zone. So there is no force disengagement at all-armed Georgian police are deployed at the cease-fire line in direct contact with the Abkhaz and South Ossetian military, which makes constant armed incidents virtually inevitable.

The South Ossetian leader Eduard Kokoity claimed last week, "There are about 2,500 armed men currently deployed and building fortifications within the conflict zone on the Georgian side," while the EU observers were "contributing to the worsening of the situation" (RIA Novosti, March 6). The EU mission has repeatedly stated that it does not see any Georgian force concentrations in the cease-fire zone. The Ossetians respond by accusing the EU mission of "deliberately ignoring Georgian preparations for military aggression" (Interfax, February 9).

These inflammatory statements and intermittent clashes could easily escalate into a new major conflict when the warm wartime season comes to the Caucasus. To make things worse, it has been announced that Abkhazia and South Ossetia will soon begin to implement agreements with Russia to jointly patrol their "borders with Georgia" (Interfax, March 11). This may bring more Russian servicemen into harm's way in the area of intermittent clashes. Any injury of Russian solders that might be attributable to Georgian forces could serve as a casus belli.



On the Georgian government side there is also confusion. Last week at a security conference in Riga, Latvia, Deputy Prime Minister and Minister for Euro-Atlantic Integration (as well a former defense minister) Grigori Baramidze told me that he saw a lot of arguments why "Russia may resume its aggression and very little in favor of peace." Baramidze told the conference that "Russia could use internal instability in Georgia for another assault." Defense Minister Davit Sikharulidze announced last week, "We must prepare to defend our motherland against an invasion" (Civil Georgia, March 7).

At the same time, Saakashvili has announced, "The possibility of a resumption of hostilities has been reduced, but nothing is yet fully guaranteed" (Civil Georgia, March 11). The powerful interior minister, Vano Merabishvili, who is in charge of counterintelligence, has publicly "ruled out" any possibility of "a renewal of Russia's large-scale military aggression." Merabishvili insisted that talk of a possible renewal of Russian aggression has been deliberately disseminated by Moscow itself to trigger panic in Georgia and scare off investors. Merabishvili added that peaceful opposition protests would be allowed but that his ministry had "enough resources to prevent any unlawful actions" (Civil Georgia, March 7).

Last August Russian troops invaded Georgia to "enforce peace" and defend the Ossetian and Abkhaz minorities, imitating NATO actions in ex-Yugoslavia. This year, if the Interior Ministry riot police are deployed to disperse protesters, Moscow may go in for "regime change" to liberate Christian Orthodox Georgians from Saakashvili.

There are still several weeks left for the West to recognize the imminent threat and begin a high-level round of shuttle diplomacy to compel or coerce all sides to genuinely strengthen the ceasefire and disengage forces. Moscow must understand all the disadvantages of a new crisis and agree to strengthen the observer mission's mandate. The Georgians must find a way to contain internal political strife. The Ossetian and Abkhaz leaders must stop mindlessly provoking a new war. In short, a miracle is needed.

pouffe
03-13-2009, 03:34 PM
I have red that it was south Ossetia planning to invade Russia, but don't remember where.

Koshka
03-13-2009, 03:42 PM
ramon, i guess you have become bored without female attention

Lucker
03-13-2009, 04:01 PM
ramon, i guess you have become bored without female attention

What is the connection ?
Are you developing a new theory stating that all men who think seriously , delve and research are bored without female company ?

pouffe
03-13-2009, 04:06 PM
What is the connection ?
Are you developing a new theory stating that all men who think seriously , delve and research are bored without female company ?


Do you come from gay Pride?

Lucker
03-13-2009, 04:23 PM
Yes Dear .
If you want the level of discussion to drop to a level you can handle , I am happy to accommodate you .
Alternatively , you were possibly trying to be nice and congratulating me on being a happy and care free Lion . So thank you .

saprosky
03-13-2009, 05:16 PM
Everything happening in Abkhasia and North and South Ossetia suggests Russia wants to be ready for invasion in May , say .


Exactly Saturday, May 16th 2009 at 21:00 CET (23:00 Moscow time). While Eurovision Song Contest and everybody will watching TV....Russia will invade Georgia. They should be punished for writing an awful song against VeePee. :becky:

Lucker
03-13-2009, 05:47 PM
I hope that when Team GB are crowned the winners , we will dedicate our victory to the forgotten heroes of Tiblisi and the great Georgian freedom fighters .
Fancy being scared of listening to a song . What a big baby that man is under the surface .

Sarah
03-13-2009, 06:17 PM
What is the connection ?
Are you developing a new theory stating that all men who think seriously , delve and research are bored without female company ?

Said who???
Why these serious men with the qualities of researches (how many of them do we actually have here?) always try to raise their serious subjects in the forum where mostly Russian females are spending time with a completely different purpose?
Yes, ok, let's assume you convinced us we all live in a very bad counry and we are all very bad people. Yes, we agree. We are crying here in the wilderness. What's next? What is your purpose? To look clever in front of several females who just want to get married?

Hoopy
03-13-2009, 06:29 PM
Abra there are lots of people here who are blind to what a fascist country they live in and I think Ramon has actually opened peoples eyes with his posts. The only people that can change the country is the people themselves.

paddedcell
03-13-2009, 06:45 PM
It simply amazes me that those people (I make no generalisations based upon gender or nationality) who are here "for a completely different purpose" other than politics and just "want to get married" find it so hard to resist showing their insularity and ignorance by insisting on getting involved in subjects their democractically elected representative states they have no interest in...

:rolleyes:

I cannot begin to guess how many times the following simple rule has been written over recent months...but...with apologies for any repetition...

If all you are interested in is marriage, weddings, fluffy toys, gender reassignment, celebrities, pop muzak, your favourite colours and mother-plucking eyebrows...

STAY AWAY FROM SUBJECTS THAT YOU 1) YOU DON'T LIKE, 2) ARE IGNORANT ABOUT and 3) CAUSE YOU SUCH OBVIOUS CONFUSION AND CONSTERNATION

Sarah
03-13-2009, 06:52 PM
No, on the contrary! I am very much interested in these subjects, but I discuss them in a different place. I just want RR to confess in front of everybody that he is a provoker who entertains himself at the account of poor ladies, because he can be a hero in your eyes here, while he may look quite different in the forums with better prepared opponents who also read "sources"

paddedcell
03-13-2009, 06:57 PM
a hero in your eyes

I've seen him in his red, white & blue spandex costume and...frankly...I almost laughed up my lunch...

Think of a big sack of potatoes with a cape...

Sarah
03-13-2009, 06:58 PM
Abra there are lots of people here who are blind to what a fascist country they live in and I think Ramon has actually opened peoples eyes with his posts. The only people that can change the country is the people themselves.

I will never agree that my country is a fascist country - I take it as an insult. I can call your country a fascists country with the same success, as it is a well known fact that you are hiding a lot of terrorists. And you are doing it not because you are really fascists or something, you do it because GB is very indifferent about the rest of the world for the last 30 years. You prefer to be blind, deaf and dumb, because it is convenient for your country. But of course you will never miss a chance to teach somebody. English gentlemen were always famous as the snobbiest snobs in the world. Ha-ha.

Sarah
03-13-2009, 07:09 PM
Actually, a character like RR was already described in your great literature - Jerome K. Jerome, Three men in a boat, and the character is Monmorancy - just remember when the guys took him in the store and left outside waiting with the other dogs. I hope you remember that all the dogs were fighting, and Monmorancy was sitting in the corner quietly pretending he had nothing to do with that... So RR forces us feel like stupid dogs. Yep. A real English Gentleman!

RioRita
03-13-2009, 07:24 PM
Russia isn't a fascist state. Shall I report on you or will you delete your post yourself?

paddedcell
03-13-2009, 07:33 PM
Russia isn't a fascist state. Shall I report on you or will you delete your post yourself?

I cannot see where Martin mentioned a specific Country? Please quote the Post where this was done.

Oh...and for information...please see attached...

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I can think of many Countries that could be classed as 'fitting' this definition...one blindingly obvious...but I certainly don't believe the UK to be one of them...

If you disagree with the above definition...please research and post your own...

Hoopy
03-13-2009, 07:46 PM
I never mentioned Russia but if the cap fits wear it.

If anyone can't read Russian this says fascism kills.

3571

saprosky
03-13-2009, 07:51 PM
Just a remark (from Encyclopaedia Britannica)


Despite the fascists’ violent opposition to Marxism, some observers have noted significant similarities between fascism and Soviet communism. Both were mass movements, both emerged in the years following World War I in circumstances of political turmoil and economic collapse, both sought to create totalitarian systems after they came to power (and often concealed their totalitarian ambitions beforehand), and both employed terror and violence without scruple when it was expedient to do so. Other scholars have cautioned against reading too much into these similarities, however, noting that fascist regimes (in particular Nazi Germany) used terror for different purposes and against different groups than did the Soviets and that fascists, unlike communists, generally supported capitalism and defended the interests of economic elites.

Nothing has changed over the time :rolleyes:

Sarah
03-13-2009, 08:07 PM
Good Friday night reading (so-called "sources")
Of course I will not waste even a minute of my life thinking that Club GB is fascistic. But I will be obnoxious today. Just because.

http://www.google.ru/search?hl=ru&newwindow=1&q=%22fascist+Britain&lr=&aq=f&oq=

RioRita
03-13-2009, 08:07 PM
Don't play fools. Who are you writing this to? To each other? I think you are writing it to the ladies to show off. It's just indecent, gentlemen. Why didn't you join Pravda.ru Forum? Why don't you discuss these questions with men, not with ladies who don't know English well enough to be your opponents? And now! Isn't it a childish behaviour? Have you frightened Gabber or who? You can be strong only in the company of ladies who can't express themselves because of their limited knowledge of English. You are afraid of those men who can show you how wrong you are. It's not nice, to say the least of it, you behave like a pack of Monmorancies!

Alisa
03-13-2009, 08:12 PM
Russia is fascist country??? I cant belive people say that! If Mr. RR is here Who manage HELL?

RioRita
03-13-2009, 08:24 PM
Abra there are lots of people here who are blind to what a fascist country they live in and I think Ramon has actually opened peoples eyes with his posts. The only people that can change the country is the people themselves.


Ramon is constantly making copy-paste of the articles from LaRussophobie.com and other such sources to show Russians in what country they live. Hoopy called the country fascist. Which country do we live, Alisa? They have become so frightened when I wrote that I could report on Ramon and Hoopy. What country are you talking about, ladies? Chaps, you just forgot what the title of the thread is! Maybe we live in Georgia? Oh, I am not against living there. I remember Shota Rustaveli Prospect very well. I like that country. So, ladies, we aren't Russians, we are Georgians!Which other conclusion can I come to?

ChelIn-2008
03-13-2009, 08:25 PM
The only people that can change the country is the people themselves.
I am afraid for Russia it doesn't work. people can't change nothing.
Maybe it will halp to change the mentality of some of them... yes for future
but unfortunately it will be very late for Georgia

ChelIn-2008
03-13-2009, 08:38 PM
I remember Shota Rustaveli Prospect very well. I like that country. So, ladies, we aren't Russians, we are Georgians!Which other conclusion can I come to?
welcome to Georgia, I'll personally ask my goverment to give you Georgian passports.

Sarah
03-13-2009, 08:40 PM
welcome to Georgia, I'll personally ask my goverment to give you Georgian passports.

And me! Do not forget about me!!! I love this country and people too!
(and if we go in May, RR will have a chance to say that his preditions about invading Georgia have come true...)

ChelIn-2008
03-13-2009, 09:03 PM
And me! Do not forget about me!!! I love this country and people too!
(and if we go in May, RR will have a chance to say that his preditions about invading Georgia have come true...)

ok if so be sure your also in the list, Putin will be angryyyyyy...just like he did in Abkhazia
but i am confused people coming to their second homeland never could be considered as invasion
or you are coming to fight with us

Lucker
03-13-2009, 10:07 PM
[QUOTE=Abra;68832]Said who???
Why these serious men with the qualities of researches (how many of them do we actually have here?) always try to raise their serious subjects in the forum where mostly Russian females are spending time with a completely different purpose?



Roll up Gentlemen .
Roll up , Roll Up

Meet the women who visit Political sections of a public Forum and read and comment on World Affairs and complex Political matters ---- in order to find love and meet prospective partners .

OR
visit my personal web site where various lunatics and dysfunctionals meet to discuss whether more than 100 Angels can perch on a pin head .

Lucker
03-13-2009, 10:21 PM
Russia isn't a fascist state. Shall I report on you or will you delete your post yourself?

I wonder why the rest of the world thinks otherwise ?
But I expect all those Professors , academics and Historians are lackeys of Satan's School for Sinners .
Admittedly there is no freedom of speech and there is state controlled media and journalists are culled like Canadian seals . But the Government surely listens , cares and rewards its citizens . Doesn't it ? And , of course , The Rule of Law is not very important . Is it ?

At least there is no financial crisis in Russia because Put In said there was not and forbade all media to delete any reference to that possaibility .
My goodness , that's a relief .

jimsan
03-14-2009, 04:38 AM
I think the war has already begun.

:becky:

Sarah
03-14-2009, 06:59 AM
No, we have just warmed up and counted his feathers before the BIG fight...
Though should we really beat up a poor demagogic goose? We'd better save him for the next xmas, as he might be the only treat on the table in the light of this crisis...

Lucker
03-14-2009, 08:12 AM
Da Cabra ,
Put aside ( another of his relatives ) personal hostilities and look at the ruling circumstances . I could write a small book on what he has done in Abkhasia to make it an invasion bridge head and that is a series of public facts , not just conjecture .
Also look at the attempted regime change from within Georgia itself . There is considerable money being handed out to Georgian oppposition groups to produce results .
Put In is very Put Out for he has never forgiven the Berezovsky money behinf the Rose revolution .

Koshka
03-16-2009, 01:35 PM
It simply amazes me that those people (I make no generalisations based upon gender or nationality) who are here "for a completely different purpose" other than politics and just "want to get married" find it so hard to resist showing their insularity and ignorance by insisting on getting involved in subjects their democractically elected representative states they have no interest in...

:rolleyes:

I cannot begin to guess how many times the following simple rule has been written over recent months...but...with apologies for any repetition...

If all you are interested in is marriage, weddings, fluffy toys, gender reassignment, celebrities, pop muzak, your favourite colours and mother-plucking eyebrows...

STAY AWAY FROM SUBJECTS THAT YOU 1) YOU DON'T LIKE, 2) ARE IGNORANT ABOUT and 3) CAUSE YOU SUCH OBVIOUS CONFUSION AND CONSTERNATION

male chauvinism?

Lucker
03-16-2009, 01:51 PM
Oleg Cosh Em,
No .
Think abouty it carefully .
It is very reasonable .
You don't buy flowers in the Butcher's shop.

Koshka
03-16-2009, 02:30 PM
Oleg Cosh Em,
No .
Think abouty it carefully .
It is very reasonable .
You don't buy flowers in the Butcher's shop.
Ась?

invalid logic or man's logic? :eek: :ban:

Koshka
03-16-2009, 02:32 PM
Oleg Cosh Em,
No .
Think abouty it carefully .
It is very reasonable .
You don't buy flowers in the Butcher's shop.

it is not dating site.
it is public forum :ban:

PS need not pervert the truth and my name