your new home country?

[zoroooo]

so dear men,women.


How do you feel when you have a stable relationship with a woman from an other country and could you be patriotic regard to that country?


And now you are with a woman from an other coutry should she be completly patriotic regard to yours?

When the last weeks I was reading the old forum I was thinking about thoose questions.

I guess that the forum population is here to be aquainted and not to be on stage in politiical meetings.

zoroooo in Inglish and not English

[jimsan]

I think you should love your new country but your loyalyties should remain with your homeland.

[Hein-athome]

Jimsan is right I agree with him if you love that woman then you also should love her country.But never forget where you from.:becky:

[Calgary1966]

Jimsan is right I agree with him if you love that woman then you also should love her country.But never forget where you from.:becky:



I agree completely. My grandfather became a Canadian but ALWAYS was a Ukranian.

[brown-raider]

my wife loves this country, but of course loves Russia also... I love my country and do care what happens in Russia, my inlaws are their as well as many freinds and we still have an apartment their, because I love being their. When the Olympics were on I always pulled for Russia unless they were competing against the u.s of course...

[Soulmate-Africa]

I hope my wife would love my country almost as much as she love Russia. For me since I returned from Russia it feels almost if I love Russia more than my own country.:):becky:

[1amongmany]

take the best of both worlds....we can love more than one thing at a time...why do we have to choose?

[brown-raider]

Russia has a great deal to offer by way of traditions and other things, this shows in my everyday life.. in my wife... for that I will allways be greatful to her parents and Russia:cool:

[Masichka]

so dear men,women.


How do you feel when you have a stable relationship with a woman from an other country and could you be patriotic regard to that country?


And now you are with a woman from an other coutry should she be completly patriotic regard to yours?

When the last weeks I was reading the old forum I was thinking about thoose questions.

I guess that the forum population is here to be aquainted and not to be on stage in politiical meetings.

zoroooo in Inglish and not English
To love the country and to be patriotic are two different things to me.
I don’t see patriotism to be a positive thing because it can make people blind and prevent them from seeing disadvantages of the object of their patriotism.
On the other hand, love (to my mind) means ability to see all positive and negative things about the country and a desire to help with the country’s positive development.
But to love one country or several countries… why not? There is a great amount of things we can love about different countries. And why not to love the country just because we were born there and to love the country because our beloved ones were born there? Also possible.

[zoroooo]

To love the country and to be patriotic are two different things to me.
I don’t see patriotism to be a positive thing because it can make people blind and prevent them from seeing disadvantages of the object of their patriotism.
On the other hand, love (to my mind) means ability to see all positive and negative things about the country and a desire to help with the country’s positive development.
But to love one country or several countries… why not? There is a great amount of things we can love about different countries. And why not to love the country just because we were born there and to love the country because our beloved ones were born there? Also possible.

I have to admit that my topic has been malicious made to see if our very patriotic american friends can overcome and accept to have a warm feeling for another country;)

And I naturaly agree with your vieuws about patriotism. 8E769

[IrmaMos]

so dear men,women.


How do you feel when you have a stable relationship with a woman from an other country and could you be patriotic regard to that country?


And now you are with a woman from an other coutry should she be completly patriotic regard to yours?

When the last weeks I was reading the old forum I was thinking about thoose questions.

I guess that the forum population is here to be aquainted and not to be on stage in politiical meetings.

zoroooo in Inglish and not English


Patriotic feelings cant be disconnected from politics and political events. Patriotic feelings - these are pride for your country, love towards people and traditions, even food and specific mentality ( by the way , Im desperatly looking now for a Russian restaraunt, 30-40 min drive from Amsterdam could be perfect, I have patriotic feelings towards simple Pelmeni), ability to feel compasion and give support... so, not having any intent to involve this discussion into politics, I must say, I have nothing against Europe and Holland , but when I see and can translate in news and on TV , how wrong they show events in Russia, Im all the time having disputes with my Man, trying to protect my Motherland's dignity and prestige, cause I dont want him to believe what is told on TV. (Watching BBC news i have experienced myself once a huge difference in the translatin made from russian into english when interview was taken, which completly changed the sence and showed Russia in a bad light)
I very much love russian language, poetry is awaresome, if you can feel the colours of the language, but I admitt, the huge advantage of the english language is its world's wide spread usage ( which is always used by propaganda to give english speaking people certain picture more profitable in the eyes of the owners of the media)

Do I have patriotic feelings towards Holland. I respect their right to have and enjoy their national traditions, mentality ,attitudes, which can be very different to what Im used to have and enjoy, but Im trying to understand and accept it to the extent when my own personality and nationality won't be damaged,... but I doubt these are patriotic feelings, that is probably tolerance and acceptance?

I absolutly loved the idea that Russia won Holland in football.

But if I need to show compasion and give support to people who I know here, I will aways do it, cause I care and do my best to love them That is loyality, i guess. By the way, talking to lots people here in Holland, I never felt any wish to change my point of view, or change my traditional attitudes, or teach me how i should live, and what I should do, since now I was not judjed for being Russian

Hi, from Meduza:yo:

[zoroooo]

bella Meduza,

nice to see you..And good to see you found your guy...now I am getting desperate;)

And thanks for your post and opinion.


zorozoro

[alpine-frolic]

What is really malicious is that question comes from someone who is apatrid as belgium really doesn't exist more.
When i heard Belgie, Belgique, i have only beer in mind and the jokes we have about our north neighbour, is that enough to see there a nation?

[alpine-frolic]

bella Meduza,

nice to see you..And good to see you found your guy...now I am getting desperate;)

And thanks for your post and opinion.


zorozoro


BTW i hope she hasn't found only a guy, but something more!

[alpine-frolic]

bella Meduza,

nice to see you..And good to see you found your guy...now I am getting desperate;)

And thanks for your post and opinion.


zorozoro

BTW i am so desperate as i like long black haired lady, but not because Irma has found love.

[zoroooo]

BTW i am so desperate as i like long black haired lady, but not because Irma has found love.


But you never dreamed about her...I did :gossip:

[Voobrazheniye]

I have to admit that my topic has been malicious made to see if our very patriotic american friends can overcome and accept to have a warm feeling for another country;)

And I naturaly agree with your vieuws about patriotism. 8E769

Lavuun, I'm sorry to read that you think it's fun to be malicious to Americans. But that does often seem to be a popular sport here and on LL. In a friendly forum, there should be no room for malicious attitudes to a particular nationality, whether it is due to over-zealous patriotism (as we often see both from Americans AND Russians), or just smarmy egotism.

But the question is a good one. I am Irish by ancestry, American by birth and life, and now I live in Ukraine. I feel deep ties to each.

I love my rich Irish heritage - the old myths and stories, the old natural spiritualism, the history, beautiful songs and stories, the pain and suffering at the hands of the English, the way Ireland overcame all of that, and the beautiful island on which this all happened.

I am grateful for my good fortune in being born an American. No other country could have offered me a greater opportunity for the freedom to follow my own path toward happiness and success in life. America is not perfect - no country is - but on things that really matter for regular people, America has gotten it right far more often than wrong. I am still proud of my military service.

And in all my travels abroad I have been proud to represent the U.S., and I have tried my best to be a GOOD representative of the U.S.... not some loudmouthed arrogant SOB, but a person about whom the Japanese, Peruvians, Argentines, Kazakhs and so many others I have met would say, "if Paul is an example of a typical American, then they must be pretty good people."

Now I live in Ukraine as an expatriate. With each day I feel more and more like this is my country too. I love the things I see and feel here that seem to me to have gone missing in the U.S. I appreciate and enjoy all of Ukraine's funnly little quirks and what would seem to most in the West as flaws or "throwbacks." Even the aggrevations (like the way people drive) have a certain charm.

I love the way my spirit has been lifted living here. I love that most people seem to have a stronger sense of who they are as people, even if they still seem unsure about who they are as a nation. But the biggest reason is that I love the people - for too many reasons to explain. And most of all, I love my friends... I have NEVER had such good and real friends.

So... that is how I feel about the country in which I live now, the one in which I was born and raised, and the one of my ancestors' - and, in a way, my own - origin. And if necessary, I would stand up strongly for any of them.

[zoroooo]

my dear Friend dont take my start topic badly.

I thought that after weeks of fights in the other forum I could relaxe you all..Russians and Americans...

And I felt it surealistic to see fights betweenn men and women on a dating side about politics.
So my question is malicious and I got fine posts here...to too manny but some.
But manny have been reading and I think it brings more peace and I hope that poeple start to again been more bussy with "lovemathers"

Now its fine to read your feelng about your country origine etc...I feel everybody can be proud about his of her origines and that indeed shouldnt been a reasson for quarrels.And I felt you often moderated.


lavuun

[Voobrazheniye]

Now its fine to read your feelng about your country origine etc...I feel everybody can be proud about his of her origines and that indeed shouldnt been a reasson for quarrels.

lavuun

Absolutely!! I could not agree more!:yo:

[vitashenka]

I don’t see patriotism to be a positive thing

I think patriotism of our people help us to win in great second war and help us to be together, to have the union of our purposes and minds... I see nothing bad in patriotism till the moment it become obsession

[vitashenka]

Conserning the matter...

If one day i will leave my country i will continue to love it (we cant to stop to love it because we were born there, there our parents, friends, there we passed diffeent moments in life, it doesnt matter was it bad sometimes or good, it is our history we cant forget), I will respect the country of my husbent and i want to feel the same from his side. For me it is strange if man love girl but dont respect country this girl from. man has to respect wife's country at least because it gave him his lovly wife. IMHO

[brown-raider]

Bravo Paul very welll said....Lavuun, I'm sorry to read that you think it's fun to be malicious to Americans. But that does often seem to be a popular sport here and on LL. In a friendly forum, there should be no room for malicious attitudes to a particular nationality, whether it is due to over-zealous patriotism (as we often see both from Americans AND Russians), or just smarmy egotism.

But the question is a good one. I am Irish by ancestr, American by birth and life, and now I live in Ukraine. I feel deep ties to each.

I love my rich Irish heritage - the old myths and stories, the old natural spiritualism, the history, beautiful songs and stories, the pain and suffering at the hands of the English, the way Ireland overcame all of that, and the beautiful island on which this all happened.

I am grateful for my good fortune in being born an American. No other country could have offered me a greater opportunity for the freedom to follow my own path toward happiness and success in life. America is not perfect - no country is - but on things that really matter for regular people, America has gotten it right far more often than wrong. I am still proud of my military service.

And in all my travels abroad I have been proud to represent the U.S., and I have tried my best to be a GOOD representative of the U.S.... not some loudmouthed arrogant SOB, but a person about whom the Japanese, Peruvians, Argentines, Kazakhs and so many others I have met would say, "if Paul is an example of a typical American, then they must be pretty good people."

No I live in Ukraine as an expatriate. With each day I feel more and more like this is my country too. I love the things I see and feel here that seem to me to have gone missing in the U.S. I appreciate and enjoy all of Ukraine's funnly little quirks and what would seem to most in the West as flaws or "throwbacks." Even the aggrevations (like the way people drive) have a certain charm.

I love the way my spirit has been lifted living here. I love that most people seem to have a stronger sense of who they are as people, even if they still seem unsure about who they are as a nation. But the biggest reason is that I love the people - for too many reasons to explain. And most of all, I love my friends... I have NEVER had such good and real friends.

So... that is how I feel about the country in which I live now, the one in which I was born and raised, and the one of my ancestors' - and, in a way, my own - origin. And if necessary, I would stand up strongly for any of them.

[alpine-frolic]

We never choose where we began our life and where we spent our 1st years and how our parents and teachers educate us....No more where and how our parents, grand parents ...lived
But all that are part of our roots among so many other things.

[Shadow-off]

Love only what deserves to be loved. :yo: