Odessa the aids capital of the east

[Hoopy]

I just watched a TV program aimed at school kids to learn them about aids and they were showing many cities around the world.

Odessa now has the highest HIV count per head for any area in Eastern Europe.Some of this is due to the explosion in drugs.
If someone is in an accident in Ukraine and need blood how safe are the blood transfusions?

Aids in Ukraine (http://www.aids-ukraine.com/en/index.html)

"They said, we ought to multiply the official figures for Odessa with eight."

Odessa (http://www.aids-ukraine.com/odessa/odessa_e/big_numbers.html)

[jimsan]

As I will soon be in Kharkov this information is of great comfort to me.

Thank you Martin.

:(

[RioRita]

Do you want me to find the same information about Kharkov? In no time! Just ask!

[bucksbunny]

martin


I am from now your bodyguard and protect you of been linched by the girls.. remember my kiev posts.

lavuun

[bobbyd]

This is an interesting thread. Is AIDS a huge problem in the Ukraine? Is it primarily because of drugs or unprotected sex?

[hannah]

This is an interesting thread. Is AIDS a huge problem in the Ukraine? Is it primarily because of drugs or unprotected sex?because of drug and unprotected sex ,and many others reasons.

[RioRita]

Mainly, it's because of numerous sex-tourists who take drugs and prefer unprotected sex.

[bucksbunny]

its because at the airport to manny fooking rabits run around

zorozoro

[Gabbibo]

My husband found this news on deutsch newspapers too

really i am shoked and....:(
because many many sex tourists go to this city and no reaction von RADA
the air ticket to Odesa ist very cheap, also....all have liber acces to come in Ukr

[Gabbibo]

As I will soon be in Kharkov this information is of great comfort to me.

Thank you Martin.

:(


Jim, i am not going to discuss ur situation
but
really made me angry ur frase
if u search such a comfort is enough to put in ur pocket some condoms

[bucksbunny]

My husband found this news on deutsch newspapers too

really i am shoked and....:(
because many many sex tourists go to this city and no reaction von RADA
the air ticket to Odesa ist very cheap, also....all have liber acces to come in Ukr

what was first the egg or the egg..belgian quote...so fooking rabits fook with fooking females accepting naked guns....
So be angry towards two parts.


my special greetings to you CINTY without an L

zorozoro with R

[jimsan]

Jim, i am not going to discuss ur situation
but
really made me angry ur frase
if u search such a comfort is enough to put in ur pocket some condoms

I was talking about the blood tranfusion bit of this, in case I have an accident.

But some failed to see the joke.

[jimsan]

Mainly, it's because of numerous sex-tourists who take drugs and prefer unprotected sex.

Of course it has nothing to do with girls who freely offer sex.

[jimsan]

It takes two to tango.

[fbibob]

It takes two to tango.

You will be ok as long as you do not do the 'horizontal tango.'

[jimsan]

You will be ok as long as you do not do the 'horizontal tango.'

I should be so lucky.

:o

[hannah]

very well.it is true that in ukraine has high HIV count but in fact it is not necessary to go that far for you to get it.it is quite easy managed to do it in your country of original or there is not enough of AIDs and it is problem only of ukraine?just keep ur ass at home and all would be fine,not aids,probably not any accident and as following not need in blood transfusions.isn't it nice idea?

[elane-ellie]

"Odessa..the capital......"

Imagine Soviet Union epoch.. Any Soviet child's English lesson at school...used to begin with the words: "London is the capital of.." so, tempora mutantur? London is not the capital anymore...?? :rolleyes:

[snow_flake]

I have never bought sex, i think i rather put my xxx into vacumcleaner. Reason is simple, i am not afraid for aids ot whatever else, but i find it real disqusting humiliation myself and even more the poor girl who have to do this.

But i have been in Odessa once, and i am not surprised at all over the fact it is AIDS epedemic there.

I was there i bit after summer season - there was less tourists then, and we could not sit in peace in outdoor restaurants, in indoor restaurants, in bars or nightsclubs, we could even walk into street for 5-10 min without getting offered sex. And not only by those i guess was full time workers, but also part time workers.

I have been in many citites in west and eastern europe - i am not a well experienced traveller maybe, but i am not a newbie either, but i have to tell sadly Odessa still is nr 1 at my list in this way. Its a bit pity, because the city is intersting, but my stay was a bit destroyed of watching out all the time for avoiding them or try to tell no in a polite way.

I also had a bit mixed feelings about Odessa because of all those homeless kids living and sniffing glue in the center of the city - luckily for me i guess i didnt notice them all.

And into all this it was this huge huge difference between those who had big money and those who maybe had to wait a bit until they could eating next meal.

I remember in one restaurant they were drinking champagne to over 450 dollars a bottle ( i looked at them and the pricelist ) and women in there called ( their husbands??) to drive them 100 meter down street into Mercedes 500 or better so they could visit boutiques after winedining - and outside a long coming pregnant woman was asking for money ( not an professional beggar either ) without being noticed at all.

I dont tell you can not find such here either - probably u can. And i become a bit out of topic - sorry for that:)

[bobbyd]

very well.it is true that in ukraine has high HIV count but in fact it is not necessary to go that far for you to get it.it is quite easy managed to do it in your country of original or there is not enough of AIDs and it is problem only of ukraine?just keep ur ass at home and all would be fine,not aids,probably not any accident and as following not need in blood transfusions.isn't it nice idea?


you write as if you are angry yet not one post above was written with anger or spite. There is AIDS everywhere but the original post is concentrating on Ukraine therefore we are discussing Ukraine.

[jimsan]

very well.it is true that in ukraine has high HIV count but in fact it is not necessary to go that far for you to get it.it is quite easy managed to do it in your country of original or there is not enough of AIDs and it is problem only of ukraine?just keep ur ass at home and all would be fine,not aids,probably not any accident and as following not need in blood transfusions.isn't it nice idea?

Go get yourself a sense of humour.

[Hoopy]

I made this thread not to discuss the rights or wrong of aids in Ukraine but to seriously find out about such things as how safe is blood transfusions, how does this epidemic affect normal people in Ukraine.
Aids drugs are expensive for any country never mind a poor one so what is the goverment doing?Have they considered a needle swap exchange for the junkies or free condoms for the hookers?These are actions that could help stabilise it.

[Lucker]

A good proportion of money is raised here , albeit probably from Ukrainian companies operating in the UK . I have contacts with people who spend half of their working life here , including Brighton , fund raising for people back in Ukraine .
It is likely that they are therefore aware of up to date methodology , safe practise etc , though , without asking , I have no idea what degree of Government support flows out from Kiev .
A limited amount , I suspect , because of the severity of the problem in Russia and Ukraine and probably less than ever , given the prevailing general economy failure .

[elane-ellie]

I made this thread not to discuss the rights or wrong of aids in Ukraine but to seriously find out about such things as how safe is blood transfusions, how does this epidemic affect normal people in Ukraine.
Aids drugs are expensive for any country never mind a poor one so what is the goverment doing?Have they considered a needle swap exchange for the junkies or free condoms for the hookers?These are actions that could help stabilise it.

http://www.aidsalliance.org.ua/cgi-bin/index.cgi?url=/en/news/index.htm

Martin, the situation in today Ukraine is terrible. Not only because of prostitution or drag addicted people.
The most painful question is - knowing the economical problems and ridiculous political performance in the country one can imagine the situation in general.
Ukraine has two official epidemics for now - AIDS and also tuberculosis. And a lot of the rest too. And no governmental programs.. just some imitation of some acitvity of Health Ministry but it's very irritating if you can realize what is going..
That is the link to Alliance - there are several non-governmental associations in Ukraine who work in the field. They are the main financial recepients of the Global Fund money.. but sometimes the grants vanish inexplicably..
It's really a significant problem of the country and a lot of people die.. including children.
It is not enough to offer condoms and syringes.. the problem is much bigger indeed. No remedies. No medical equipment. Many hospitals cannot work in a normal regim ( even in the capital!!!) because of electricity lack.. etc., etc.

[Hoopy]

I know they have many problems in the hospitals but a start to it would be clean needles and condoms.Seems that some people are already attempting this from a quote on that site.

Project clients have access to the following scope of services:
o Provision of information on HIV prevention and other health-related issues
o Promotion of safer behavior modes and motivation for abstinence
o Access to sterile syringes, condoms, disinfectants, medications, and other relevant disposables
o Referral to rehabilitation and drug abuse treatment services
o Provision of or referral to other medical services, including STI treatment, surgery and other services
o Social support, including financial and material support for poverty alleviation, family members support, and support in search of employment.
o Running of self-help groups
o Psychological support
o Legal counselling

[rainy-day]

here comes the rubber discussion again........

[sunontheway]

I made this thread not to discuss the rights or wrong of aids in Ukraine but to seriously find out about such things as how safe is blood transfusions...

I can't speak for Ukraine but I think they do the same.

They do not use donor's blood for the time up to six months and do additional control checks to avoid any risk (not only aids).
Normally blood suppliers are constant donors and they are checked regulary.
Still there is no united donor database in Russia, so they accept blood only from those who have registration in the region where they live.
Every hospital patient is HIV checked, even if he has an angina.

As for accidents. Blood transfusions are not often required in this case. Most patients are those who have certain diseases and need blood transfusions on a constant basis.

[Gabbibo]

what was first the egg or the egg..belgian quote...so fooking rabits fook with fooking females accepting naked guns....
So be angry towards two parts.


my special greetings to you CINTY without an L

zorozoro with R


:Connie-JC_window:

[fbibob]

very well.it is true that in ukraine has high HIV count but in fact it is not necessary to go that far for you to get it.it is quite easy managed to do it in your country of original or there is not enough of AIDs and it is problem only of ukraine?just keep ur ass at home and all would be fine,not aids,probably not any accident and as following not need in blood transfusions.isn't it nice idea?

Let me guess: you are applying for a job with the Kiev Chamber of Commerce.

[Hoopy]

Martin, the situation in today Ukraine is terrible. Not only because of drag addicted people.


Whats poofy got to do with it? :lol:

[belano4ka]

The survey shows that Aids is of great concern in some hard-hit countries such as Tanzania and Nigeria.
But in South Africa, which has the most HIV cases in the world, many people were more worried about crime.



http://news.bbc.co.uk/nol/shared/spl/hi/pop_ups/03/world_aids_survery/img/2.jpg


PS. Idea for next GG poll "what concerns you most?" :)

[belano4ka]

Interesting fact that Ukraine has the same percentage as Thailand. :)


http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/b/b9/HIV_Prevalence_-_Adult_by_Country.png

[Shadow-off]

I wish we could find the cure to many of these problems .

[jimsan]

One thing that has always puzzled me is why many men will pay extra for unprotected sex with a prostitute.
They know this woman is having sex with many men and if she will have unprotected sex with you then she will most likely have it with anyone, for a price.

Why do these guys take such a crazy risk ?

I'll never understand this.

[RioRita]

Are you sure that only prostitutes have sex with many men? What a naive guy!

[hannah]

Go get yourself a sense of humour.
just in case to understand your sense of humor ?:rolleyes:
i don't think that i need it.

[hannah]

Let me guess: you are applying for a job with the Kiev Chamber of Commerce.if you like it.....:rolleyes:

[jimsan]

Are you sure that only prostitutes have sex with many men? What a naive guy!

I'm just an innocent little flower.


:lol:

[jimsan]

No Martin.........I'm not a Pansy.

:)

[Hoopy]

OK petal :lol:

[hannah]

One thing that has always puzzled me is why many men will pay extra for unprotected sex with a prostitute.
They know this woman is having sex with many men and if she will have unprotected sex with you then she will most likely have it with anyone, for a price.

Why do these guys take such a crazy risk ?

I'll never understand this.I also never understand the prostitutes who take such a crazy risk with these gays.what're they thought?that those gays having unprotected sex only with her and not with others?really crazy.but who is more dangerous is a question.prostitutes or those gays?more likely that is men who do such a things because you know why...use you sense of humor in proper way:p

[bucksbunny]

Are you sure that only prostitutes have sex with many men? What a naive guy!

riot girl that name fits you;.. jimjan was puting a question not a statement so no need to judge him negativly..maybe some ban one day could work out for you as well..as It did to me


zorozoro

[jimsan]

I also never understand the prostitutes who take such a crazy risk with these gays.what're they thought?that those gays having unprotected sex only with her and not with others?really crazy.but who is more dangerous is a question.prostitutes or those gays?more likely that is men who do such a things because you know why...use you sense of humor in proper way:p

Gays will not have sex with HER !!

(Unless she is lesbian of course)

:lol::lol:

The sense of humour strikes again.

:party:

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This post has been reported as a personal attack on another member.There is no personal attack here and all Jim is pointing out is that gays are unlikely to be with female prostitutes.

[snow_flake]

What a boring topic this became

[Hoopy]

What a boring topic this becameWell it seems to me that people are saying the sex tourists are the cause of it so if they stay away then aids will go away, maybe we should get them in charge of the W.H.O and they can solve Africa's problem too.

[jimsan]

Gays will not have sex with HER !!

(Unless she is lesbian of course)

:lol::lol:

The sense of humour strikes again.

:party:

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This post has been reported as a personal attack on another member.There is no personal attack here and all Jim is pointing out is that gays are unlikely to be with female prostitutes.

"Her" meaning prostitutes in general.

Sorry if anyone misunderstood what I meant.

[bucksbunny]

Gays will not have sex with HER !!

(Unless she is lesbian of course)

:lol::lol:

The sense of humour strikes again.

:party:

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This post has been reported as a personal attack on another member.There is no personal attack here and all Jim is pointing out is that gays are unlikely to be with female prostitutes.

to funny mods ... drop that moderating... people are sour some days... If you need 100 kl of carrots to feed them just call on me.

zorro

[snow_flake]

Well it seems to me that people are saying the sex tourists are the cause of it so if they stay away then aids will go away, maybe we should get them in charge of the W.H.O and they can solve Africa's problem too.


I was not thinking about that Martin

This topic could be ok topic to discuss if we did it in normal way. But it has became a topic where middle aged men tells twisted jokes about their visit to Ukraine, and when they being shot down they dont stand for what they told - but made silly excuses nobody except themselfes believe in. Zorros posts i even not will mention:becky:


I tried earlier to point out there is lot of prostitutes in Odessa, and it have been for many years.

I did not see drug addicts myslef, but i guess limit between glue and a needle is short.


And of course - nobody have mentioned the Ukraininan healh system - where secure is it to get blood from it?? Katrin seems to to stay away from here, else she maybe could have explained.

[jimsan]

I was not thinking about that Martin

This topic could be ok topic to discuss if we did it in normal way. But it has became a topic where middle aged men tells twisted jokes about their visit to Ukraine, and when they being shot down they dont stand for what they told - but made silly excuses nobody except themselfes believe in. Zorros posts i even not will mention:becky:


I tried earlier to point out there is lot of prostitutes in Odessa, and it have been for many years.

I did not see drug addicts myslef, but i guess limit between glue and a needle is short.


And of course - nobody have mentioned the Ukraininan healh system - where secure is it to get blood from it?? Katrin seems to to stay away from here, else she maybe could have explained.


I must have missed something here, I did not see any reports about visits to ukraine.

[jimsan]

A sense of humour is a very important thing to have but I didn't see anything "Twisted" here.

We are all aware of the seriousness and sadness of AIDS, not just in Ukraine but worldwide, and to inject some humour into the topic does not, IMO, detract from this.

[Koshka]

The official statistics.

Percentage transmission

- Sexual transmission - 70-80%;

- intravenous drug users - 5-10%;

- blood transfusions and blood products - 3-5%;

- perinatal transmission - 5-10%.

[Hoopy]

The official statistics.

- blood transfusions and blood products - 3-5%;

That's too high of a figure, thats what I wanted to know from the start. I'd refuse blood and take my chances.

[Hoopy]

and to inject some humour into the topic does not, IMO, detract from this.
Jim you can catch aids from injecting :brick:

[sunontheway]

That's too high of a figure, thats what I wanted to know from the start. I'd refuse blood and take my chances.

You can't know if it's high or not, not enough information.

It is not that 3-5% of people who get blood transmissions get AIDS as well. It is 3-5% of people among 100% who have AIDS.

You need to know the correlation of healthy and ill people to get the info you want to know.
Let's say 1% people have AIDS.
The risk to get it through blood transmission is 0,03-0,05% then.

[bucksbunny]

You can't know if it's high or not, not enough information.

It is not that 3-5% of people who get blood transmissions get AIDS as well. It is 3-5% of people among 100% who have AIDS.

You need to know the correlation of healthy and ill people to get the info you want to know.
Let's say 1% people have AIDS.
The risk to get it through blood transmission is 0,03-0,05% then.

depends where you get your transfusion.

zorozoro

[sunontheway]

depends where you get your transfusion.
zorozoro

Brilliant comment :lol: We spoke about Ukraine, didn't we?

[bucksbunny]

this is not less briliant "Let's say 1% people have AIDS."

zorozoro

[bobbyd]

What a boring topic this became

Eric,

You certainly have the right to give your opinion. Perhaps you will not be offended when someone writes the same in one of your always brilliant topics.

Meanwhile, two pages later there appears to be those who are interested. To each his own.

[bobbyd]

Well it seems to me that people are saying the sex tourists are the cause of it so if they stay away then aids will go away, maybe we should get them in charge of the W.H.O and they can solve Africa's problem too.

could be true Matt but sex tourists wouldn't visit a destination that didn't offer sex willingly. Don't hear about sex tourists much in places like Saskatchewan and AIDS is calculated on one hand. I had read on LL (from that English guy that couldn't spell) about tours to one specific area in Russia but I had never heard until now that Odessa was a haven for sex tourists. Like Jim or whomever mentioned, if you're gonna ride bareback with a prostitute or any woman you don't know...you're gonna pay for it.

[sunontheway]

this is not less briliant "Let's say 1% people have AIDS."

zorozoro

Zoro,

You were not attentive. The question was about way of counting the risk, I said there was not enough information presented.
But I do some checking before posting any digits. The data of 1% was in 2003 or 2004, now it should be higher. WHO says it is from 1,5-2% in Ukraine A LOT :(

http://gamapserver.who.int/mapLibrary/Files/Maps/HIVPREVALENCE_EasternEuropeandCAsia_20080411.png

[dzerassa]

My husband found this news on deutsch newspapers too

really i am shoked and....:(
because many many sex tourists go to this city and no reaction von RADA
the air ticket to Odesa ist very cheap, also....all have liber acces to come in Ukr

diana, soon u will use 1 english, 1 german, 1 moldavian and 1 russian word in one sentence :)

[dzerassa]

I have never bought sex, i think i rather put my xxx into vacumcleaner. Reason is simple, i am not afraid for aids ot whatever else, but i find it real disqusting humiliation myself and even more the poor girl who have to do this.

But i have been in Odessa once, and i am not surprised at all over the fact it is AIDS epedemic there.

I was there i bit after summer season - there was less tourists then, and we could not sit in peace in outdoor restaurants, in indoor restaurants, in bars or nightsclubs, we could even walk into street for 5-10 min without getting offered sex. And not only by those i guess was full time workers, but also part time workers.



in the su odessa was famous for many things, it was a very famous and desirable town to visist. there were many songs which teenagers were singing in the yard about odessa and its bandits, and even su times it was known for free behaviour :)
it's a port town and i think all port in the world r more free behaviour than other tows

[Lucker]

Mister Vee ,
But for a Norwegian he is usually passable and he has a developed sense of humour and leg pulling .
Unlike most of the contributors -- be they Russian or American .
I have not referred to Canadians because it is unfair to drag them into uncharted waters .

[sunontheway]

diana, soon u will use 1 english, 1 german, 1 moldavian and 1 russian word in one sentence :)

This is how Esperanto was created :lol:

[dzerassa]

no no cinty is just constantly smoking something :)

[dzerassa]

actually in russia those towns which r closer to the borders r most dangerous: kaliningrad for example, so it's easily understandable about odessa, so many foreigners ....

[dzerassa]

As I will soon be in Kharkov this information is of great comfort to me.

Thank you Martin.

:(

just don't pass by odessa, go stright from scotland to harkov :)

[hannah]

Gays will not have sex with HER !!

(Unless she is lesbian of course)

:lol::lol:

The sense of humour strikes again.

:party:

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This post has been reported as a personal attack on another member.There is no personal attack here and all Jim is pointing out is that gays are unlikely to be with female prostitutes.well gays will not have sex with her but guys will.;)and guys usually are not careful with having unprotected sex or at least blow job.both gays and that sort of guys are group of risk.
and definitely spelling mistake could strike the sense of humour of some individuals. by the way it very specific humour which everyone should understand especially those who is not native english speaker,right?
pc why the post was reported as personal attack?i never do report any post and would be very glad if none do it for me.

[bucksbunny]

Zoro,

You were not attentive. The question was about way of counting the risk, I said there was not enough information presented.
But I do some checking before posting any digits. The data of 1% was in 2003 or 2004, now it should be higher. WHO says it is from 1,5-2% in Ukraine A LOT :(

http://gamapserver.who.int/mapLibrary/Files/Maps/HIVPREVALENCE_EasternEuropeandCAsia_20080411.png

sweet poepke translate that from dutch,

I am all atentive butI have a good friend who is every year a speaker on the aids forum who explainned something more; In general statistics a men has the risk of infection every 96 coit.. so thats statistics .. but telling that to youngest they will think I have only 4%chance to get it. so carefull with statistic

bye bye poepeke


zorro with candies for the ladies . "confit de carrotes" from french to english

:peace::peace::peace:

[sunontheway]

actually in russia those towns which r closer to the borders r most dangerous: kaliningrad for example, so it's easily understandable about odessa, so many foreigners ....

Paris has even more tourists. As Bobby said: cheap sex offered. This has a direct connection with the economical situation in the country plus opened borders.

[bucksbunny]

But paris has not this onethe way can you clean it softly yeaaaaaaaaaah good

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[dzerassa]

Paris has even more tourists. As Bobby said: cheap sex offered. This has a direct connection with the economical situation in the country plus opened borders.

yes but in france it started earlier than in the former su, so by this time they get control of it. former su was protected by closed borders, now border r open, economy and morality as low as never have been so this is what we have.
economy is not the main thing. go to ingushetia. it is one of the poorest places in russia but i doubt they have much of it.

[sunontheway]

go to ingushetia..

There are plenty reasons why it is different in Ingushetia.

[sunontheway]

But paris has not this onethe way can you clean it softly yeaaaaaaaaaah good


Zoro, are you still suprised why girls think of you as a sex-tourist. What is your the most successful line? :becky:

[snow_flake]

The topis is still beyond borders, but it has vecome a little bit less dull or boring:becky::becky::becky:

[snow_flake]

A sense of humour is a very important thing to have but I didn't see anything "Twisted" here.

We are all aware of the seriousness and sadness of AIDS, not just in Ukraine but worldwide, and to inject some humour into the topic does not, IMO, detract from this.

Jimmy.

I have putted my best lawyers in this case for finding something to put u down with - but they told me they failed except telling your humor is terrible bad:becky:

So a bit overreacting from me - sorry.

And stay safe without bloodfuel under your stay in Ukraine;)

[sparkle]

Mainly, it's because of numerous sex-tourists who take drugs and prefer unprotected sex.

It takes 2, both are responsible :p

[jimsan]

It takes 2, both are responsible :p

Irresponsible, I think.

[jimsan]

What makes me very angry is that men who have unprotected sex with hookers will go home and do this with their wives.

If any of these scumbags infect their partner then they should be hanged.

Extreme maybe but it's my opinion.

[belano4ka]

An estimated 16 percent of men pay for sex in the U.S., according to a report by social work professor Månsson of Malmö University in Sweden. The proportion of patrons seems to vary considerably by country and by study. Månsson reported that 14 percent of Dutch men have bought sex as compared with nearly 40 percent of men in Spain. (Prostitution is legal in both countries.)
And according to HYDRA, a Berlin-based organization that provides legal advice and other aid to prostitutes, up to three quarters of men in Germany, which also has legalized prostitution, have paid for sexual services. Meanwhile other estimates for Germany put the proportion far lower, at about one fifth. In Thailand, where prostitution is illegal but socially accepted, one study suggested that a whopping 95 percent of men have slept with a prostitute.
Here prostitution it is legalised, which enables the government/police/immigration/child services and so on to step in and monitor what's going on in the brothels and streets, which, in fact, is making everything a lot cleaner and taking out some of the elements such as persons under 18 or illegals being prostitutes and guarranteeing protected sex - they have to be health certified .Some people might think it's controversial , but I think it was a good move. I see nothing wrong with the person working as a prostitute, if it's her/his personal choice.

[Andylad]

A sense of humour is a very important thing to have but I didn't see anything "Twisted" here.

We are all aware of the seriousness and sadness of AIDS, not just in Ukraine but worldwide, and to inject some humour into the topic does not, IMO, detract from this.

What makes me very angry is that men who have unprotected sex with hookers will go home and do this with their wives.

If any of these scumbags infect their partner then they should be hanged.

Extreme maybe but it's my opinion.

Jim

There was a case a few years back about some African guy living in London who knew he had Aids, he had unprotected sex with several women & infected two of them, he got 12 years for attempted murder.
they should have hanged that B@stard & then deported him, or deported him & then hanged him!!

[Hoopy]

You can't know if it's high or not, not enough information.

It is not that 3-5% of people who get blood transmissions get AIDS as well. It is 3-5% of people among 100% who have AIDS.

You need to know the correlation of healthy and ill people to get the info you want to know.
Let's say 1% people have AIDS.
The risk to get it through blood transmission is 0,03-0,05% then.Sun I know that figure is 3%-5% of total aids but as I've said it's too high.

In 1997, 3 people in the UK were discovered to be HIV positive through receiving blood donated by someone who had themselves been very recently infected with HIV. These cases are the only ones to have occurred in many millions of donations since 1985.

In some countries, infection through blood transfusion is still a significant risk.

http://www.urban75.com/Health/hiv.html

[Shadow-off]

I only feel that the Pimping their sometimes physical abuse should be criminal. It is a womans body to do as she desires. However I think it is mainly because a last resort to make a living. Maybe I am wrong about this though.

I recall the story in the Bible about the prostitute caught in the act by the deciples of Jesus. The deciples in the story were going to stone her to death because she commited a great sin in their minds. Jesus said to them " Those among you without sin cast the first stone " They all dropped the rocks and left. I think there is more value in this story as it applies here too.

Now where did you say you lived again :becky:

[bucksbunny]

Zoro, are you still suprised why girls think of you as a sex-tourist. What is your the most successful line? :becky:

sweet ,

I am not surprising..but unfortunad for them I dont travel to ukrain only once in moscow and one to the baltic states that in 7 years////Than if I am a sextourist than I am a very slow starter.or I need nearly no sex at all.
:ban:???:peace:

zorrozrro

[Gabbibo]

diana, soon u will use 1 english, 1 german, 1 moldavian and 1 russian word in one sentence :)

romanian, nonna:becky:

yes, became hard...my mum is shoked then i talk with her on the phone:eek:

[dzerassa]

There are plenty reasons why it is different in Ingushetia.

right. each country has its reasons specific for this country