About John McCain's VP pick

[Mnguy2007]

This was sent to my email from a friend.
I think it is great to look at Sarah Palin from the the peoples point of view that have experienced her leadership first hand.

Sarah Palin is the US?s answer to Margaret Thatcher! Anyone who thinks
>> she
>> cannot handle the job or deal briskly and efficiently with ANY issue,
>> including foreign governments ? well, they haven?t met our Sarah <grin>.
>>
>>
>>
>> As an Alaskan resident as well as a resident of Wasilla, AK, where Sarah
>> Palin was at one time Mayor ? I can speak with confidence. Governor Sarah
>> Palin of Alaska is exactly what she portrayed during her introduction
>> this
>> morning and exactly what our US Government needs. She is ethical to a
>> fault
>> (if there is such a thing), a refreshing change to the status-quo and as
>> smart and determined a PERSON (gender really isn?t an issue here as far
>> as
>> I?m concerned) as anyone could ask for at the head of government.
>>
>>
>>
>> Sarah is no na?ve ?small town mayor? ? she just *started out* there. Btw,
>> as
>> Mayor of Wasilla, she brought this ?small town? through a lot of GOOD
>> changes and left it at the end of her term having grown to the 4th
>> largest
>> CITY in Alaska ? a lot of growth and a stronger economic base than ever
>> before.
>>
>>
>>
>> She has EXECTUTIVE experience *running a government* (something NONE of
>> the
>> other candidates can actually boast, even John McCain <g>) as Governor of
>> Alaska and got there by defeating the *incumbent* Republican Governor,
>> who
>> was definitely part of the ?old school? and who WAS very much in the
>> pocket
>> of the big oil companies. We in Alaska wanted change ? and we got it in
>> the
>> person of Sarah Palin!
>>
>>
>>
>> Sarah Palin is everything she looks to be and more. Her approval rating
>> as
>> Governor of Alaska has been as high as 95% and is currently leveled out
>> consistently in the upper 80 percentile throughout the state (and in both
>> parties) - the HIGHEST approval rating of ANY sitting Governor.
>>
>>
>>
>> Sarah has been turning around corruption in the Legislature of Alaska -
>> turning things on their ear for that matter; cutting spending in spite of
>> the increased income the state is currently receiving due to the high oil
>> prices - she has insisted on putting a huge amount of the "windfall" into
>> savings for the future rather than spending, spending, spending - and has
>> insisted from the get-go on what she refers to as "honest, ethical and
>> transparent governing" - no more closed door meetings and dealings - the
>> big
>> oil companies thought she would be a pushover and have learned better to
>> their chagrin.
>>
>>
>>
>> She understands the "real people" and the economic issues we all face
>> (Alaskans along with the rest of the country) - she was one of "us" not
>> long
>> ago. Rather than passing useless "laws" or throwing money at pet
>> projects,
>> she (most recently) temporarily suspended the state gas tax (on gasoline
>> at
>> the pumps, fuel oil and natural gas for homes, etc.) and has ordered
>> checks
>> issued to ALL residents of Alaska this fall in an attempt to assist with
>> the
>> burden of high fuel costs for the upcoming winter. I could go on and on,
>> but
>> that's enough for now <smile>. She isn?t doing these things to be popular
>> ?
>> she is doing it because her constituents are HURTING financially and she
>> can
>> help.
>>
>>
>>
>> She became Governor of Alaska by defeating the Incumbent Republican
>> Governor
>> and doing it *without* the money or the support of the Republican Party,
>> which was amazing in itself - and she won by a landslide. The "powers
>> that
>> be" at that time totally underestimated Sarah and learned better the hard
>> way. She has done exactly what she claimed she was going to do and is
>> just
>> as popular today as the day she was elected - perhaps more so since even
>> the
>> Democrats up here seem to like her - she works well with both sides in
>> the
>> Legislature here.
>>
>>
>>
>> Sarah "belongs" to us (Alaskans) ... and although we are going to be
>> terribly sorry to see her leave before she finishes the job she started
>> here
>> (two years ago) straightening out OUR State <grin> ... we understand she
>> is
>> needed for a bigger purpose and hopefully her Lt. Governor will be able
>> to
>> fill her shoes here and continue the job.
>>
>>
>>
>> As for worrying about what would happen if McCain were to die or step
>> down
>> or whatever ... Theta, up here in AK we've only been wondering how long
>> we
>> would be able to KEEP Sarah in Alaska and have seen her as our first
>> woman
>> President of the USA from the start. It's always been a matter of whether
>> she would wait until the end of her TWO terms as Governor (no doubt at
>> ALL
>> that she would be re-elected if she ran for a second term at the end of
>> her
>> current term) ... or end up in Washington sooner. She could do the job
>> TODAY.
>>
>>
>>
>> Personally, I feel a lot better about McCain now that I know he has
>> someone
>> as savvy, as strong, as ethical and as steady as Sarah at his back. She
>> will
>> be an excellent Vice President ... and my guess is will be our US
>> Republican
>> Presidential candidate in four years - AND by then the country will KNOW
>> here ? will love and respect her as we do here - and she'll win by as
>> much
>> of a landslide as she did here in Alaska. I only wonder if McCain has a
>> clue
>> what he is unleashing on the US of A <grin>. She is going to be a fresh
>> wind, but also a strong wind.
>>
>>
>>
>> Is that enough of an endorsement? If not, I'll add this ... Jerry and I
>> have
>> for many years felt the best "vote" was to vote for the lesser of two
>> "evils" and hope they didn't do too much damage. Two years ago during our
>> State Governor's race was the first time EVER that we actually asked for
>> not
>> just a little sign to put in our yard showing our support of our
>> candidate
>> (something we've never felt the desire to do at all before) - we asked
>> for a
>> full 4' x 8' "SARAH PALIN FOR GOVERNOR!" sign and were proud to have it.
>> She
>> hasn't let us or Alaska down. She will do the same for the USA if given
>> the
>> opportunity.
>>
>>
>>
>> Feel free to pass this on to anyone who may be interested (and spam those
>> who aren?t!).
>>
>> -Deb Frost in Alaska

I would like to add that if she is even close to what this person shares about her then I think that she may very well be just what USA needs.
Obama runs on the change platform but his background says differently. He has yet to announce anything that would suggest any real change. My Opinion only.

[brown-raider]

[B][/Bjust listened to her speech, she was great, I can see why she has risen to the governorship of her state, she is brite,articulate, a good speaker and is adorable:lol::becky:]

[1amongmany]

[/Bjust listened to her speech, she was great, I can see why she has risen to the governorship of her state, she is brite,articulate, a good speaker and is [B]adorable:lol::becky:]

the perfect reason to vote for her

maybe instead of McCain/Palin it should be Palin/McCain.....hmm.....:becky:

[Voobrazheniye]

Perhaps. But most certainly the Democratic ticket would be better if Joe were on top and Junior would have a chance to apprentice for a while before being the "leader of the free world" with absolutely no relavent experience of any kind. As Joe Biden himself said of Obamessiah's complete lack of experience, the presidency is not a place for on-the-job training.

[Mnguy2007]

the perfect reason to vote for her

maybe instead of McCain/Palin it should be Palin/McCain.....hmm.....:becky:

I would vote that ticket. The truth is from what I have heard so far she is the only one talking about the real issues. She speaks about what this country really needs and that is change that really amounts to something. Making the government work for the people.

[1amongmany]

what are the 'real issues'? from my vantage point I did not hear any republican at the RNC talk about my real issues and how they would change them

I just look at all involved and, like 2004, go with the lesser of two evils

[brown-raider]

the perfect reason to vote for her

maybe instead of McCain/Palin it should be Palin/McCain.....hmm.....:becky:if that was the only reason it would still be better than voting for that bitter big eared man, with the neck talking ghetto wife...:lol:

[kentuckydan]

what are the 'real issues'?


Energy independence and costs?

[kentuckydan]

Sarah Palin’s Convention Speech

(http://www.stoptheaclu.com/archives/2008/09/03/video-sarah-palins-convention-speech/)

Energy Policy about the 4 minute mark

[1amongmany]

she is McCain's sure-fire ticket to Alaska's Oil, that is the GOP energy policy

[sliver]

Energy independence and costs?

maybe, multiplying the external debt that already is unreasonably huge (hundreds of billions!).. the biggest military budget in the world.. wishing to dominate unstead of co-operating?
are those needs of usa citizens? really?.. poor next generation..
i applaud EU.. 'old' european keep pro-american rhetoric (they should do as nato's allies))) but doesn't refuse huge russian market. so they "kill two hares": weakening US economy (by some supporting its world ambitions with patriotic noise and therefore new military expenses) and supporting own economy by trade with russia on the other hand..

even nature gives a sign like warning.. Gustav tried to stop chatter-boxes /respublicans/, talking about empty policy and to remember about Katrina (if administration really care about american people) ;)

[kentuckydan]

maybe, multiplying the external debt that already is unreasonably huge (hundreds of billions!).. the biggest military budget in the world.. wishing to dominate unstead of co-operating?
are those needs of usa citizens? really?.. poor next generation..
i applaud EU.. 'old' european keep pro-american rhetoric (they should do as nato's allies))) but doesn't refuse huge russian market. so they "kill two hares": weakening US economy (by some supporting its world ambitions with patriotic noise and therefore new military expenses) and supporting own economy by trade with russia on the other hand..

even nature gives a sign like warning.. Gustav tried to stop chatter-boxes /respublicans/, talking about empty policy and to remember about Katrina (if administration really care about american people) ;)


Yep we hemorage about 700 Billion dollars a year in Oil Imports
Military budget? Well Georgia is not going to tempt too many in Congress
to reduce that, maybe for one election cycle if the Democrats have control
but the historical trends are that the Democrats gut Defence spending
and then lose power.

Dominate? Maybe, but I don't hear any concerns coming out of Canada or
Mexico about the US sending troops in, Now Estonia, Latvia, Lithuania, Poland
Ukraine, Moldavia et al may have concerns along those lines

Europe? Russia has them by the throat, it controls their energy supply

another reason for the US to become energy self sufficient

As for Katrina? Most of that was due to a corrupt One Party machine
on the State and Local level, and while New Orleans re-elected
Nagin, the New Governor Jingal is a different kettle of fish from
the last Governor.

Russia is a fairly large market 8th in the world by population, 11th by GDP
but 52cd by per capita GDP falling between Croatia and Gabon so the market is really a smaller number of very rich dudes , the remainder of the potential market has to rise above subsistance before it can be that much of a factor and the economy is shaky at present

[fbibob]

And while we are talking about nature as if it is a person with an an ability to make choices, apparently nature decided to downgrade Gustav and make it miss New Orleans. No doubt this disappointed many Democrats.

[sliver]

And while we are talking about nature as if it is a person with an an ability to make choices, apparently nature decided to downgrade Gustav and make it miss New Orleans. No doubt this disappointed many Democrats.

nature didn't threaten when democrats meet ;)

[Mnguy2007]

nature didn't threaten when democrats meet ;)

Maybe that is because any time a group of democrats meet the country is waiting for a tax increase storm.
:becky:

[sliver]

Yep we hemorage about 700 Billion dollars a year in Oil Imports
Military budget? Well Georgia is not going to tempt too many in Congress
to reduce that, maybe for one election cycle if the Democrats have control
but the historical trends are that the Democrats gut Defence spending
and then lose power.

Dominate? Maybe, but I don't hear any concerns coming out of Canada or
Mexico about the US sending troops in, Now Estonia, Latvia, Lithuania, Poland
Ukraine, Moldavia et al may have concerns along those lines

Europe? Russia has them by the throat, it controls their energy supply

another reason for the US to become energy self sufficient

As for Katrina? Most of that was due to a corrupt One Party machine
on the State and Local level, and while New Orleans re-elected
Nagin, the New Governor Jingal is a different kettle of fish from
the last Governor.

Russia is a fairly large market 8th in the world by population, 11th by GDP
but 52cd by per capita GDP falling between Croatia and Gabon so the market is really a smaller number of very rich dudes , the remainder of the potential market has to rise above subsistance before it can be that much of a factor and the economy is shaky at present

unconvinced at all, dan :yo:
your economy has very problems.. funny that you mention pro-american countries which you frighten yourself.. your massmedia job ;)
as i see, you're not well informed about real things. on LL forum someone (relocated to usa) already compared what we and you can afford actually, etc. etc.

[fbibob]

unconvinced at all, dan :yo:
your economy has very problems.. funny that you mention pro-american countries which you frighten yourself.. your massmedia job ;)
as i see, you're not well informed about real things. on LL forum someone (relocated to usa) already compared what we and you can afford actually, etc. etc.

Actually, it turns out that what we can not afford is Barak Obama and a Democrat administration destroying our economy.

[Voobrazheniye]

nature didn't threaten when democrats meet ;)


Maybe that's because Democrats are unnatural.

[Voobrazheniye]

unconvinced at all, dan :yo:
your economy has very problems.. funny that you mention pro-american countries which you frighten yourself.. your massmedia job ;)
as i see, you're not well informed about real things. on LL forum someone (relocated to usa) already compared what we and you can afford actually, etc. etc.

Tanya, please keep in mind that the VAST majority of America's mass media HATES America.

[don_pedro]

Actually, it turns out that what we can not afford is Barak Obama and a Democrat administration destroying our economy.

I doubt Obama can compete with Bush in this regard, when it comes to screwing up the US economy Bush is the champ.

[don_pedro]

Palin reminds me a stereotypical high school cheerleader, no wonder she attended 5 colleges in 6 years. Can anyone imagine her being commander-in-chief if something happens to good ol’ McCain?

[zoroooo]

[B][/Bjust listened to her speech, she was great, I can see why she has risen to the governorship of her state, she is brite,articulate, a good speaker and is adorable:lol::becky:]


It wasnt her speach..it was written by one of the bushboys..or should I put some humor...brownie??by the beach boys..It was flat and populist.


zoroooo

[Voobrazheniye]

I just look at all involved and, like 2004, go with the lesser of two evils

Me too. That's why I held my nose and voted for Bush twice.

[brown-raider]

It wasnt her speach..it was written by one of the bushboys..or should I put some humor...brownie??by the beach boys..It was flat and populist.


zorooooand what do you think Barack o'Dumbo writes his own speeches? are you that nieve! will see what he can do with out a teleprompter...
Hey luuvuun why don't you ask Obama for his mask for your collection...
flat and populist... Waffel you can't even speak English wtf do you know about flat..:lol::lol::yo:

[brown-raider]

unconvinced at all, dan :yo:
your economy has very problems.. funny that you mention pro-american countries which you frighten yourself.. your massmedia job ;)
as i see, you're not well informed about real things. on LL forum someone (relocated to usa) already compared what we and you can afford actually, etc. etc.who was that that relocated to usa?

[brown-raider]

funny to read all the rhetoric from people who can't even vote.... we really dgaf what you think:rolleyes::lol:

[kentuckydan]

nature didn't threaten when democrats meet ;)

Then I guess the lesson to be learned is that Nature loves the Republican Party
and hates Cuba?

[sliver]

Tanya, please keep in mind that the VAST majority of America's mass media HATES America.

don't worry, voobrazheniye, i keep it in mind ) yep, any massmedia is engaged cause has the boss (investor). senseless to talk about freedom of speach. i just answered about prejudices that so called 'new european members" brought into EU parting it with mess (it was created for uniting though) and how easy western massmedia played on that

[sliver]

guys, to be honest i've been always entertained by your political culture to make show from elections ) politicians are like good actors, hollywood stars.. republican convention as usual looked like well performed show.. all this loud noise with air-balloons remind me sitcom with recorded laughter behind :becky: looks like amusing 'idolizing'.. they haven't still had possibility to do anything great as the president though.
hope that PR-specialists and speechwriters didn't work in vain and all what these guys tell and promise will come.
imho.. nothing personal :)

[1amongmany]

Tanya, please keep in mind that the VAST majority of America's mass media HATES America.

what do you mean by "HATES America"?

[1amongmany]

I missed you at Divan the other night ;)

[sliver]

I missed you at Divan the other night ;)

))) Divan isn't popular any more.. played out.. or is used up
since there have been appeared many other glamour and high quality places/clubs to have fun ;)

[dzerassa]

Palin reminds me a stereotypical high school cheerleader, no wonder she attended 5 colleges in 6 years. Can anyone imagine her being commander-in-chief if something happens to good ol’ McCain?

is it true she once was a member of organization demanding independence of alayska?
if yes- how can non americans vote, i would love to :)

[dzerassa]

[B][COLOR="Red"]funny to read all the rhetoric from people who can't even vote....

well there r so many specialists on russia who have never been here ...

[kentuckydan]

is it true she once was a member of organization demanding independence of alayska?
if yes- how can non americans vote, i would love to :)

Nope that is not true she was never a member of that group.

Rank that one up with the Story that she did not have a Down's syndom baby in April that the baby was he daughters and she was covering it up'

Of course when Palin reported that her daughter is pregnant NOW that kind of burst the bubble on that story.

Palin's party (http://www.politico.com/blogs/bensmith/0908/Palins_party.html)
The McCain campaign posts Palin's voter registration document (.pdf), showing that despite some leaders' of the Alaska Independence Party's claims, she apparently was never a member.

Clearly, however, she courted the AIP, and had some relationship with him. Also worth keeping in mind is the fact that the AIP, though it sounds pretty exotic and includes secession advocates (!), isn't all that fringy in Alaska. It's a fairly important force in a GOP-dominated state, and even elected one of Palin's predecessors as governor.

Now her husband Todd it turns out was a member until 2002

[Voobrazheniye]

is it true she once was a member of organization demanding independence of alayska?
if yes- how can non americans vote, i would love to :)

I had not heard about that one, but when you consider how fooked up Washington is, who could blame ANYONE in Alaska for wanting to become independent of that freak show? There's a lot of folks in the American West (not including California, of course) who also feel very, very detached from the "ruling class" inside the beltway.

[kentuckydan]

if yes- how can non americans vote, i would love to :)


Just enter the country illegally and show up at a DNC eleciton office they
specialise in that

Why for instance it has been written that the 1960 Kennedy/Nixon election
was so earth shaking that the dead in Cook County Illinois rolled over in their graves

and mailed in absentee ballots

Why one precinct with 22 registered votes sent in 77 votes for JFK

The Cook County Democratic Party's motto is

Vote Early and Often

[Mnguy2007]

This topic was started because I thought that the pick of McCain's VP running mate was the best that he could have made.
It gave him the only thing I felt he was lacking in this election, and the only real thing Obama has, that is ability to give a great speech.
McCain even proved me wrong on that in his speech last night.

Both parties will tell you about how change is needed and this is what we want to do in the future.
Most of the time none of it happens.

I cannot tell when exactly when it started to take place in this country, but it seems now elections are won by who can dig up the most dirt on the other and try to make them look bad. What a shame that as people we buy into that BS and forget about facts.
It seems to me that you only make who you run against look bad when you stand for nothing good yourself.
Please don't tell me well they are doing it so I need to also, no you don't if your can proudly talk about points of what good you have done, and what your future goal will be.

If you want to vote for a party line, and if it doesn't matter who they give you for a choice
by all means do so you have that choice.
If you fill all the seats with a bunch of greedy, lying crooks then don't act surprised when they take your money and commit crimes in office.
In my opinion our government of today is an absolute contradiction, and insult to what our founding fathers started.
I can only speak for myself but when I vote I look at the political history of each person running, that is what matters and will get my vote.
I could care less if they are a member of the meicans or myicrats

[kentuckydan]

Mnguy the good news is it looks like it's backfiring big time

This from Rasmussen

"Last night’s polling shows that, by a ten-to-one margin, voters believe reporters are trying to hurt Palin’s campaign "

and this moring Geraldine A Ferraro stated that many Clinton supporters
who feel that the Media did a hatchet job on Hillary might vote for
McCain in reaction to the Palin smear campaign

[Sveta's Hero]

McCain in 2008!!!

[kentuckydan]

Of course in the spirit of full disclosure I need to point out that I might be biased :ranger:

[brown-raider]

We still have an apartment in Russia, I haved lived in Russia, I have been to Russia 11 times, traveled all over Russia with and without my wife.. but to be honest I know nothing about Russian politics, and I only know what I have experienced in Russia which is good things... I have never had any problems with people in Russia or the militia other than having them pull me out of a crowd and check my papers..well there r so many specialists on russia who have never been here ...

[brown-raider]

is it true she once was a member of organization demanding independence of alayska?
if yes- how can non americans vote, i would love to :)

not true this was only a rumor that was started by a previous political oponets campaign team...

[brown-raider]

I read the MCAIN-PALIN team will walk out of the convention with over $200 million dollars for this Presidential election... not to shabby!

[Mnguy2007]

Mnguy the good news is it looks like it's backfiring big time

This from Rasmussen

"Last night’s polling shows that, by a ten-to-one margin, voters believe reporters are trying to hurt Palin’s campaign "

and this moring Geraldine A Ferraro stated that many Clinton supporters
who feel that the Media did a hatchet job on Hillary might vote for
McCain in reaction to the Palin smear campaign

I agree the smear campaign is going to hurt them.
I mean come on who cares about her husbands DWI 20 some years ago, or her daughter having a baby and not being married.

[don_pedro]

is it true she once was a member of organization demanding independence of alayska?
if yes- how can non americans vote, i would love to :)
:)
Even though she as a governor addressed Alaskan Independence Party convention in 2008, I don't think she actively supports the secessionist party. In most likelihood, the allegations that Palin was/is a member of the AIP are false.

[1amongmany]

Of course in the spirit of full disclosure I need to point out that I might be biased :ranger:

:rofl:
MIGHT???????

[don_pedro]

I mean come on who cares about her husbands DWI 20 some years ago, or her daughter having a baby and not being married.


I agree. Radicals on both sides are guilty of digging dirt on opposing candidates instead of focusing on issues.
Still, listening kentuckydan whining about dem’s smear campaign after dumping himself truck-loads of worthless crap about Obama – priceless.

:lol:

[kentuckydan]

I agree. Radicals on both sides are guilty of digging dirt on opposing candidates instead of focusing on issues.
Still, listening kentuckydan whining about dem’s smear campaign after dumping himself truck-loads of worthless crap about Obama – priceless.

:lol:

Point out one incident of worthless crap that is not pertinent?

[fbibob]

I agree. Radicals on both sides are guilty of digging dirt on opposing candidates instead of focusing on issues.
Still, listening kentuckydan whining about dem’s smear campaign after dumping himself truck-loads of worthless crap about Obama – priceless.

:lol:

[insert logic here] [/COLOR

[COLOR="Blue"]Dan has pointed out documented times and events in Obama's life.

The media has tried to discredit Palin by talking about her daughter' pregnancy.
They have said that if she was a 'real mother' who cared about her family she would be at home taking care of them.
They have tried to claim (with NO evidence) that her Down-syndrome child is actually her daughter's child.
They have tried to claim (again with NO evidence) that she was having an affair with her husband's business partner.

When Dan sinks to this level in his posts, you will have something to complain about.

[don_pedro]

Point out one incident of worthless crap that is not pertinent?

Dan, worthless crap can not be pertinent by definition. ;):)

You’ve posted on LL forum quite a few links to websites that spread across the Internet dishonest smears, lies, distortions, and unsubstantiated reports about Obama: his religion, his birthplace, his presumed lack of patriotism, his wife’s alleged racially derogatory remarks, his first name origins, to name a few. I’ve even commented some of that crap, so I don’t want to spend my time to jog your memory, you can find them in LL forum archive if you wish.

[don_pedro]

[insert logic here] [/COLOR

[COLOR="Blue"]Dan has pointed out documented times and events in Obama's life.

The media has tried to discredit Palin by talking about her daughter' pregnancy.
They have said that if she was a 'real mother' who cared about her family she would be at home taking care of them.
They have tried to claim (with NO evidence) that her Down-syndrome child is actually her daughter's child.
They have tried to claim (again with NO evidence) that she was having an affair with her husband's business partner.

When Dan sinks to this level in his posts, you will have something to complain about.


Some of the rumors you said spread by the media I’ve never heard. Could you post the link to the media web pages that pedal this? As I already said, radicals on both sides are guilty of mud-slinging, it just seems republicans are always the first ones to start.

[fbibob]

Here's one for the downs syndrome.


http://justjared.buzznet.com/2008/08/31/sarah-palin-downs-syndrome/

[fbibob]

Here's one for the alleged affair.

http://www.politicalbase.com/profile/Mark%20Nickolas/blog/&blogId=3540

[fbibob]

Actually, here is a full list of sites talking about the downs syndrome baby. (basic Google search)

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=palin+%22real+mother%22&start=0&sa=N

[fbibob]

Here is one of the people suggesting that Palin should stay home to be a mother to her family.

http://www.associatedcontent.com/article/1002414/fox_news_liz_trotta_says_sarah_palin.html

[fbibob]

I am sure you have heard everybody talking about the pregnant daughter. Here is the Google search result. This is page one with 1-10 of 5,700,000 results.

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=palin+17

[fbibob]

And here is a question about Obama. In his acceptance speech, he said "I am my brother's keeper." Obama's actual (half) brother lives in a little hut in Kenya and has an income of approximately $1 per month. Is this how he takes care of his brother?

Contrast this with Cindy McCain. On a medical mission to Bangladesh, she saw a baby with a cleft palate that was probably going to die because it would not receive proper care. She adopted this child, and brought back another one that was adopted by a friend of the McCain family. (Here is the link.)

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/mccains-show-off-adopted-daughter-bridget-917822.html

[Voobrazheniye]

Some of the rumors you said spread by the media I’ve never heard. Could you post the link to the media web pages that pedal this? As I already said, radicals on both sides are guilty of mud-slinging, it just seems republicans are always the first ones to start.

The hate-mongers on the left have already been innundating the Internet with FAKED photos of Palin in all kinds of unflattering positions or situations. The well-known one now is of her standing by a pool in a red-white-blue bikini and holding a rifle. The photo has been PROVEN o be just Palin's head photoshopped over another woman's body. Other photos are similarly photoshopped. If this is not hate and condecension to her as a woman, please tell me what it is?

[1amongmany]

The hate-mongers on the left have already been innundating the Internet with FAKED photos
what about those on the right faking photos about Obama?

wrong is wrong whether its from the left of right

you can't say Palin's bikini photo is wrong and laugh at Obama's .gif with flapping ears

[1amongmany]

a baby with a cleft palate that was probably going to die
I don't think having a cleft palate is terminal.......I have never heard of anyone dying 'cleftism' but I will google it as soon as I get dan's new google version 28.2

[kentuckydan]

Dan, worthless crap can not be pertinent by definition. ;):)

You’ve posted on LL forum quite a few links to websites that spread across the Internet dishonest smears, lies, distortions, and unsubstantiated reports about Obama: his religion, his birthplace, his presumed lack of patriotism, his wife’s alleged racially derogatory remarks, his first name origins, to name a few. I’ve even commented some of that crap, so I don’t want to spend my time to jog your memory, you can find them in LL forum archive if you wish.

I think I have been pretty clear that I don't really care what his middle name is and I don't really think the school his step-Father enrolled him in means much, I don't recall posting about his birth place, my own opinion is his mother is an American Citizen enough said, I DID post about him standing in line with everyone else and being the only person not to salute the Anthem, I did NOT question his patriotism just the oddity of someone who wants to be Commander-in-Chief not showing the traditional respect, doesn't mean he is unpatriotic, just sloppy.

Michele Obama uttered racially derogatory remarks? I seem to have missed that one.
His name and ancestory on his father's side is Arabic except for a great grandmother who was Black African. SO? Means he is no more Black African than Warren Harding so he does not get to be the First Presidenct with that heritage? And that;s all that means, NO
GASP deep conspiracy.

That stuff is a distraction IMO from the more damning information regarding his participation in Cook County Political Corruption

Now THAT I have presented and stand behind, major sources were Chicago Sun Times and the Boston Globe.

Like I said give me ONE example where "I" accused him of some kind of meaningless BS

[kentuckydan]

The hate-mongers on the left have already been innundating the Internet with FAKED photos
what about those on the right faking photos about Obama?

wrong is wrong whether its from the left of right

you can't say Palin's bikini photo is wrong and laugh at Obama's .gif with flapping ears

You think there is anyone who doesn't realise the flapping ears are not real?

[zoroooo]

I feel hat we intelegent:rolleyes:memeber shouldnt use tabloids to prove anything.

Some of our republican members started very negative and sometimes silly posts about Obama.It was more propaganda and it has no intelectual chalange.

I thought that could have been kept out of this forum.

zorzorozo

[kentuckydan]

a baby with a cleft palate that was probably going to die
I don't think having a cleft palate is terminal.......I have never heard of anyone dying 'cleftism' but I will google it as soon as I get dan's new google version 28.2


Bridget McCain (http://www.mahalo.com/Bridget_Mccain)


Born with a cleft palate and other medical issues, for which she received treatment


John McCain's Quotes
"Well it was primarily my wife's Cindy's idea. She was in Bangladesh and she and some of the medical personnel visited Mother Theresa's orphanage to try and help the children there. There were two little baby girls there. One had a heart problem the other a severe cleft palate. Cindy was very concerned about their ability to survive and their need for medical treatment, so she decided to bring them here for medical treatment. She fell in love with both of them. We decided to adopt Bridget. Two close friends of ours adopted Mickey, the other child."—John McCain1

Related Pages on Mahalo

[kentuckydan]

I feel hat we intelegent:rolleyes:memeber shouldnt use tabloids to prove anything.

Some of our republican members started very negative and sometimes silly posts about Obama.It was more propaganda and it has no intelectual chalange.

I thought that could have been kept out of this forum.

zorzorozo



The Boston Globe (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Boston_Globe#History)

The Boston Globe (and Boston Sunday Globe) is the most widely circulated daily newspaper in Boston and in New England, United States. Owned by The New York Times Company,


The Globe was founded in 1872 by six Boston businessmen, led by Eben Jordan, who jointly invested $150,000. The first issue was published March 4, 1872 and cost four cents. It was originally a morning daily when it began Sunday publication in 1877. In 1878, The Globe started an afternoon edition called The Boston Evening Globe, which ceased publication in 1979.

The Globe was a private company until 1973 when it went public under the name Affiliated Publications. It continued to be managed by the descendants of Charles H. Taylor.

In 1993, The New York Times Company purchased Affiliated Publications for US$1.1 billion, making The Globe a wholly-owned subsidiary of The New York Times' parent.[4] The Jordan and Taylor families received substantial Times Company stock, but the last Taylor family members left management in 2000-2001.

Boston.com the online edition of Boston Globe was launched in 1995 [2].

[kentuckydan]

Chicago Sun-Times (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chicago_Sun-Times)

The Chicago Sun-Times is the oldest continuously published daily newspaper in the city. It began in 1844 as the Chicago Evening Journal[2] (which was the first newspaper to publish the rumor, now believed false, that a cow owned by Catherine O'Leary was responsible for the Chicago fire).[3] The Evening Journal, whose West Side building at 17-19 S. Canal was undamaged, gave the Chicago Tribune a temporary home until it could rebuild.[4] In 1929, the newspaper was relaunched as the Chicago Daily Illustrated Times.[2]

The modern paper grew out of the 1948 merger of the Chicago Sun, founded in 1941 by Marshall Field III, and the Chicago Daily Times. Before Rupert Murdoch, the newspaper was for a time owned by Field Enterprises, controlled by the Marshall Field family, who also owned WFLD channel 32 since its inception in 1966. During the Field period, the newspaper had a populist, progressive character that leaned Democratic but was independent of the city's Democratic establishment. Although the graphic style was urban tabloid, the paper was well-regarded for journalistic quality and did not rely on sensational front-page stories. It typically ran articles from the Washington Post/Los Angeles Times wire service.

[kentuckydan]

A request for varification of sources or claims is ALWAYS in order

I submit these two publications rise above the designation of "Tabloids"

[kentuckydan]

From Rasmussen Reports

Palin Power: Fresh Face Now More Popular Than Obama, McCain (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/election_20082/2008_presidential_election/palin_power_fresh_face_now_more_popular_than_obama _mccain)

[1amongmany]

You think there is anyone who doesn't realise the flapping ears are not real?

maybe only that Belgium guy :becky: but that is not the point

wrong is wrong

[zoroooo]

kent,

When I quoted "the tabloids" was referring to the website fifbob gave us the link to .
By the way in all news papers you can find news wich isnt correct and this is not an exceptional case..when a good newspaper publishes expample " this newspapers say that mccaine is gay" he helps spreading false rumours.that technic is know etc..CNN is a good example doing so.

lavuun

[Voobrazheniye]

The hate-mongers on the left have already been innundating the Internet with FAKED photos
what about those on the right faking photos about Obama?

wrong is wrong whether its from the left of right

you can't say Palin's bikini photo is wrong and laugh at Obama's .gif with flapping ears

I would appreciate if you would point me to exactly WHEN and WHERE I laughed at that GIF or suggested it was even remotely humorous. Perhaps you have me confused with someone else.

In my opinion, that GIF is worthless crap (to quote someone else here). It's juvenille and no one would take it seriously. The faked photos of Palin, some in very suggestive and demeaning situations, go beyond juvenille to mean and hateful.

All of that are just distractions from the real issues, either by people who are too stupid to deal with issues or too afraid that the other side might actually have a better argument.

[kentuckydan]

kent,

When I quoted "the tabloids" was referring to the website fifbob gave us the link to .
By the way in all news papers you can find news wich isnt correct and this is not an exceptional case..when a good newspaper publishes expample " this newspapers say that mccaine is gay" he helps spreading false rumours.that technic is know etc..CNN is a good example doing so.

lavuun

I thought that was probably the deal, but I also considered I cannot ASSUME that you know what publications in the US are tabloids and which ones make some attempt at journalistic professionalism

In any case I do NOT consider a request to present my sources as an insult, it is standard netiquette.

[1amongmany]

I would appreciate if you would point me to exactly WHEN and WHERE I laughed at that GIF or suggested it was even remotely humorous. Perhaps you have me confused with someone else.

In my opinion, that GIF is worthless crap (to quote someone else here). It's juvenille and no one would take it seriously. The faked photos of Palin, some in very suggestive and demeaning situations, go beyond juvenille to mean and hateful.

All of that are just distractions from the real issues, either by people who are too stupid to deal with issues or too afraid that the other side might actually have a better argument.

I didn't say you did, sorry for the confusion....I used your quote to assist my comment to the general public

[fbibob]

Faked photos of Obama? I have not seen any. What are they about?

I haven't seen any faked photos of Palin, either.

But it is funny that now, you would think Palin is running for President because she is getting all of the press coverage. Biden and McCain hardly get mentioned, it seems.

[fbibob]

(While we are at it, thank Heaven that nobody has tried to put Hillary's head on a stripper's body.)

[huney]

(While we are at it, thank Heaven that nobody has tried to put Hillary's head on a stripper's body.)

Please don't tempt me :stopit:

[Sveta's Hero]

(While we are at it, thank Heaven that nobody has tried to put Hillary's head on a stripper's body.)


Kind of like the one that was made of Condi Rice?

[sliver]

actually i'm not into usa elections theme
just wondering who supports candidates? :)
obama: kennedy family (JFK was the best president, after roosevelt).. oprah winfrey, intellectual g. clooney (mmm..), brad pitt, matt damon, b. affleck, scarlett johansson, etc. and their money too
mc cain: stallone, schwarzenegger (so-so), whales of las vegas gambling industry.. (federal financing of course).. and saakashvili :becky:

who else?

[brown-raider]

actually i'm not into usa elections theme
just wondering who supports candidates? :)
obama: kennedy family (JFK was the best president, after roosevelt).. oprah winfrey, intellectual g. clooney (mmm..), brad pitt, matt damon, b. affleck, scarlett johansson, etc. and their money too
mc cain: stallone, schwarzenegger (so-so), whales of las vegas gambling industry.. (federal financing of course).. and saakashvili :becky:

who else?the Kennedy's, money made in bootlegging by joe Kennedy, ted Kennedy left a woman to dye in the Chappaquidic river, oprah winfrey an intellectual.. hah! not hardly.., she hosts a talk show and was an actress... pitt, damon, all followers of scientology,,, but don't forget Paris Hilton she's another moon beam follower of hussien obama:lol:

[kentuckydan]

httConvention lifts McCain over Obama (http://www.usatoday.com/news/politics/election2008/2008-09-07-poll_N.htm)

McCain leads Democrat Barack Obama by 50%-46% among registered voters, the Republican's biggest advantage since January and a turnaround from the USA TODAY poll taken just before the convention opened in St. Paul. Then, he lagged by 7 percentage points


But LIKLEY are considered more important than just registered voters

In the new poll, taken Friday through Sunday, McCain leads Obama by 54%-44% among those seen as most likely to vote.

Do I recall someone saying that the savage smear attack against Palin might backfire??

[sliver]

the Kennedy's, money made in bootlegging by joe Kennedy, ted Kennedy left a woman to dye in the Chappaquidic river, oprah winfrey an intellectual.. hah! not hardly.., she hosts a talk show and was an actress... pitt, damon, all followers of scientology,,, but don't forget Paris Hilton she's another moon beam follower of hussien obama:lol:

sorry, br, i don't heed to your opinion on this subject because of empty and ugly accusations towards one of the candidate

[dzerassa]

Paulin! Let her win!!!
Independence to alayska!!!!!

:)

[kentuckydan]

Paulin! Let her win!!!
Independence to alayska!!!!!

:)

Sorrry you have been listening to too much Liberal hype, Palin has never been a member of any poltical party supporting that.

But that is what you get for believing what the Left spouts

[kentuckydan]

sorry, br, i don't heed to your opinion on this subject because of empty and ugly accusations towards one of the candidate


What he said about Joe and Teddy Kennedy is trure.

Joe did make his original fortune bootlegging liquor during prohibition

Teddy did leave a young girl to die in his wrecked car.

For many years I thought she was killed in the crash, not so

The wreck happened at midnight, Teddy swam out of the car made
no attempt to go to any nearby house to summon aid, and never
reported the accident.

The car was spotted by some folks going fishing 8 hours later in
the morning, the rear tires were visible just under the water, the car
was upside down and slanted witht the rear up and the front down

According to the Rescue diver who found the body, she had
crawled into the back seat area and put her head up into an airpocket
in the rear floorboard region and probably suffocated when the oxygen ran out

[brown-raider]

thats o.k. i already gave it.... sorry, br, i don't heed to your opinion on this subject because of empty and ugly accusations towards one of the candidate

[Voobrazheniye]

actually i'm not into usa elections theme
just wondering who supports candidates? :)
obama: kennedy family (JFK was the best president, after roosevelt).. oprah winfrey, intellectual g. clooney (mmm..), brad pitt, matt damon, b. affleck, scarlett johansson, etc. and their money too
mc cain: stallone, schwarzenegger (so-so), whales of las vegas gambling industry.. (federal financing of course).. and saakashvili :becky:

who else?

Tanya, with all due respect, the "celebrities" you list just are not relavent. Sadly, we will never know whether JFK would have been a great president, but his overall body of work does not qualify for such a legacy. He was an inspiration to many, but also, it was he who got the U.S. mired in Vietnam, and many of the most important social improvements of the time happened only after Lyndon Johnson became president.

His family has largely been an embarrassment, however. Although Ted Kennedy keeps getting elected in Massachusetts (where I was born), many, MANY there really despise the man. His family is considered the ultimate in social elitism there.

The problem with celebrities is that usually they are just brainless idiots with no information, yet an enormous stage. They often have far too much influence over the least informed people. Ms. Winfrey is and exception, in my opinion, in that she is very intelligent and capable. She has built a HUGE following of people who will take what she says as gospel, and with that comes the responsibility to use that power wisely. Her views are mostly out of synch with my own, but I do not begrudge her for her ability to use her power and influence in the direction she believes is right. This is how America is supposed to work.

Other celebrities, like the movie stars you mentioned or so many singers and musicians, are just sad cases of idiots acting only on emotion (usually fear and hate) but with no real background in issues or knowledge of foreign relations, the economy, etc. Their motivations are mostly egotistical - they take pleasure in being seen as important and are gratified when they can sway lots of people their way, even when the people they sway are the least intelligent or informed.

Again, in a free society, you have to put up with all kinds of idiots like that, and they cannot - and SHOULD NOT - be denied their soapboxes. One just hopes that the people who vote will make an effort to shut out the noise of these idiots, inform themselves independently about the issues, and make their OWN choices in November.

[sliver]

voobr, i wouldn't say that all your actors, musicians, writers are idiots. russians has often found their culture/art/literature workers conscience of nation. i see, it's strange to call so hollywood stars ) still.. what i believe in is impossible to know whether one or another candidate are good as presidents before they make. you may be an expert in policy and economy but you cannot predict if candidates will follow "right course". how did you manage twice to elect j.bush, btw?
no need to know a lot. intuition! creative people feel better ;)

[sliver]

perhaps i'll open the topic about different prophecies.. (not only from tempted experts in geopolitics)

someone here was writing that would like the next president and his cabinet to have good relations with russia. it's impossible if usa ignores russia interests.. as we saw before towards both russia and the whole world (EU too). so what?

[Voobrazheniye]

voobr, i wouldn't say that all your actors, musicians, writers are idiots. russians has often found their culture/art/literature workers conscience of nation. i see, it's strange to call so hollywood stars ) still.. what i believe in is impossible to know whether one or another candidate are good as presidents before they make. you may be an expert in policy and economy but you cannot predict if candidates will follow "right course". how did you manage twice to elect j.bush, btw?
no need to know a lot. intuition! creative people feel better ;)

Tanya... Good point. One cannot paint all people in any group with such a broad brush. And creative people do bring something special to our lives. I love music, art, literature, and I consider myself a creative person too.

But people like Madonna, Sarandon, Pitt, Stallone and so forth rarely have a real understanding of issues. And when they try to pass themselves off as experts on foreign policy, for example, I think it is fair to consider them idiots in that context. When someone like Sean Penn - who certainly IS an idiot by just about any measure - talks about foreign matters in ways that are directly opposite of the opinions of real experts from BOTH sides of the political isle, then he certainly is someone to be ignored.

Yes, it certainly is very difficult to know if someone will be a good president, senator, representative, governor, etc., until they have proven themselves. This is why the person's record of achievement is important. And it's important to see what the person has done in areas most similar to the job for which he or she is running. We usually believe here that a state governor is more qualified to be president than a senator because he or she has real executive experience.

As for Bush being elected twice... as I have stated many times, it shows how bad our political system can be sometimes. In 2000, the best man for the job was John McCain, and I was a solid supporter of McCain. I really did not like Bush at all. But he was favored within the Republican Party and he won the nomination. On the Democrat side, I preferred Bill Bradley instead of Al Gore, but Gore appealed more to the far left of the party and he got the nomination.

So our choice was between two political "hacks" while two better choices were on the sideline after having been rejected by their parties. The same happened in 2004 when the Democrats chose such a terrible candidate in John Kerry.

Bush won both elections not because he was a great candidate, but because the guys he ran against were even worse!! It is one of the real problems of the American presidential election system that the better choices are often eliminated before the people get a chance to vote.

[sliver]

But people like Madonna, Sarandon, Pitt, Stallone and so forth rarely have a real understanding of issues.

why?!? peculiarities of your education system or what? life style? you refuse culture workers in ability to be interested in, to think and to reason about actual problems? )) are all american voters idiots because of lack of something?
as i see, everyone in this forum feels himself like an expert in every such issue. are they in public administration ;)

[don_pedro]

Here's one for the downs syndrome.


http://justjared.buzznet.com/2008/08/31/sarah-palin-downs-syndrome/

Here's one for the alleged affair.

http://www.politicalbase.com/profile/Mark%20Nickolas/blog/&blogId=3540

Actually, here is a full list of sites talking about the downs syndrome baby. (basic Google search)

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=palin+%22real+mother%22&start=0&sa=N

Here is one of the people suggesting that Palin should stay home to be a mother to her family.

http://www.associatedcontent.com/article/1002414/fox_news_liz_trotta_says_sarah_palin.html

I am sure you have heard everybody talking about the pregnant daughter. Here is the Google search result. This is page one with 1-10 of 5,700,000 results.

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=palin+17

As it’s been already pointed out by others, most links you provided are either reprints from tabloids or tabloids themselves.
Let’s face it, tabloids don’t care about political affiliation and views of celebrities they write about. What I find ironic is
the suggestion Palin would not be able to balance between VP duties and duties to her family comes from non other
than a Fox News pundit – Liz Trotta.
:)

[fbibob]

Ok how about the MSNBC political slant in this picture? They ask how many houses Palin will add to the Republican ticket, refering to the 7 houses that McCain owns. Is this unbiased politics?
http://www.worldnetdaily.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=73968

(Ok, see next window.)

[fbibob]

Ok how about the MSNBC political slant in this picture? They ask how many houses Palin will add to the Republican ticket, refering to the 7 houses that McCain owns. Is this unbiased politics?

[Voobrazheniye]

why?!? peculiarities of your education system or what? life style? you refuse culture workers in ability to be interested in, to think and to reason about actual problems? )) are all american voters idiots because of lack of something?
as i see, everyone in this forum feels himself like an expert in every such issue. are they in public administration ;)

Well, the difference between the "experts" in the forum and the celebrities is that the forum experts don't have influence over millions of people through their subtle (and sometimes not so subtle) use of their entertainment mediums. An actor or a singer is an expert at acting and singing, not the intracies of foreign policy or economics. I would much rather hear the opinions of someone with a Ph.D and years of practical experience in these areas than some actor who probably skipped all the civics classes in her university, if she even went to college at all.:rolleyes:

Again, actors and singers have a right to speak out just like anyone else. The problem, in my opinion, is that they have a ready-made platform to reach millions that is much greater than their knowledge or wisdom to use it.

And to answer one of your other questions... yes, I do think that many, many American voters are idiots. But... in America, even idiots have the right to vote.:lol:

[don_pedro]

Ok how about the MSNBC political slant in this picture? They ask how many houses Palin will add to the Republican ticket, refering to the 7 houses that McCain owns. Is this unbiased politics?

IMO, it's a valid question: public should know if at least one on McCain-Palin ticket is able to count to 7. LOL!:lol:

On a serious note, I found O’Reilly’s segment on youtube about his outrage over the issue, but have not seen MSNBC’s original video to know context the question was brought up in.
Yet, on another note: O’Reilly complaining about political bias? Now that’s reach!

[Voobrazheniye]

Yet, on another note: O’Reilly complaining about political bias? Now that’s reach!

O'Reilly does not "anchor" political conventions or debates.

[don_pedro]

O'Reilly does not "anchor" political conventions or debates.

From what I’ve gathered the “How many houses does Palin add…” incident occurred on a recent Friday afternoon, and not during the convention or a debate.

[fbibob]

From what I’ve gathered the “How many houses does Palin add…” incident occurred on a recent Friday afternoon, and not during the convention or a debate.


If you look at the footer under the video, you will see that it appeared when McCain announced Palin was his running mate. This would have been before the convention, yes. And it would be the minute that Palin's name as VP was mentioned.

[fbibob]

By the way, here is a graph showing the average poll leads held by the two candidates. Not directly related to the VP pick except that much of the improvement in McCain's numbers presumably comes from Sarah Palin.

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2008/president/us/general_election_mccain_vs_obama-225.html

[sliver]

yes, I do think that many, many American voters are idiots.

really good point )

[brown-raider]

you mean the Obama backers>>>>:shocked:really good point )

[sliver]

you mean the Obama backers>>>>:shocked:

nope, i've answered you before and by my signature as well

[kentuckydan]

As it’s been already pointed out by others, most links you provided are either reprints from tabloids or tabloids themselves.
Let’s face it, tabloids don’t care about political affiliation and views of celebrities they write about. What I find ironic is
the suggestion Palin would not be able to balance between VP duties and duties to her family comes from non other
than a Fox News pundit – Liz Trotta.
:)

Well the real question is whether the information in Fbibob's links are true or not.

But I figure Factcheck.org has a good enough reputation that I will use them as a source.

BTW Don I am not whining about the Palin coverage, I deplore it but I DO rather enjoy the fact that it seems to have backfired big time,. Who needs Karl Rove when you have rabid media punidts going off the deep end?


Sliming Palin (http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2008/sliming_palin.html)

False Internet claims and rumors fly about McCain's running mate.
Summary
We’ve been flooded for the past few days with queries about dubious Internet postings and mass e-mail messages making claims about McCain’s running mate, Gov. Palin. We find that many are completely false, or misleading.


I think the title and summary says it all, but by all means read the report

[zoroooo]

Dan ,

dont you feel yourself a bit unconfortable by accussing other to have a smear campain against Palin....And thoose same for years have done the same to Bill Clinton?

I feel memories are sometimes very selective.

friendly to you


lavuun

[kentuckydan]

Dan ,

dont you feel yourself a bit unconfortable by accussing other to have a smear campain against Palin....And thoose same for years have done the same to Bill Clinton?

I feel memories are sometimes very selective.

friendly to you


lavuun


Let me see Palin has been accused of

passing her daughters baby as her own false
banning books false
reducing funds for special needs and
other programs false (she increased them)
having an affair with her husbands
ex-partner because he wanted
his divorce papers sealed they weren't sealed and there is no mention
of her in them
There are about 60 or so rumors running around at present


Clinton was accused of sexual escapades with an assortment
of women including an intern in the white house

True or False?????????

with respect I define smear as made up rumors with no truth to them

and no I don't feel uncomfortable I thought Clinton's activities despicable
but I don't recall being on the bandwagon myself against him.

Why should I myself feel uncomfortable if others went too far???

You want EXTREME? There is even a hate site on the web dedicated
to the Palin's young baby.

The difference and why I don't feel uncomforatble discussing the current smear campaigns is that while I despised Clinton

I never felt it necessary to go into a therapy session to scream and spit at his photos when he was elected both times, as it seems some on the Left had to do to sublimate their rage about Bush winning elections.

Now it IS true I have had harsh things to say about Obama, but I feel I have vetted my posts with reputable sources.

Not just rumors made up for effect.

[sliver]

10.09.2008 03:25 | BBCRussian.com
В преддверии президентских выборов в США по заказу Всемирной службы Би-би-си в 22 странах был проведен опрос о перспективах политики Соединенных Штатов.

Всего в опросе приняли участие 22 тысячи человек.

В России, например, подавляющее большинство опрошенных предпочло не высказывать своего мнения.

Согласно общим итогам опроса во всех 22 странах, четверо из пяти респондентов хотели бы видеть новым президентом США кандидата от Демократической партии Барака Обаму, а не его республиканского соперника Джона Маккейна.

Наибольший оптимизм Обама вызывает у населения стран-союзников США по НАТО - Канады (69%), Франции (62%), Германии (61%), Великобритании (54%).

Однако лидируют в своей приверженности Обаме государства Африки - в Кении на налаживание хороших отношений с США при Обаме уповают 87% опрошенных, в Нигерии - 71%.

Россияне не прогнозируют

В отличие от других стран, в России общественность склоняется к мнению, что отношения США с остальным миром мало изменятся при любом новом президенте.

Больше граждан России хотели бы видеть президентом Обаму (18%), чем Маккейна (7%).

Между тем, 75% респондентов уклонились от каких-либо выводов.

Судя по всему, цвет кожи кандидатов в президенты не имеет для российских респондентов особого значения.

Планета за Обаму?

Опрос проведен для Всемирной службы Би-би-си международной фирмой по изучению общественного мнения GlobeScan совместно со специалистами Мэрилендского университета.

Комментируя результаты опроса, председатель GlobeScan Даг Миллер сказал, что "значительной части населения планеты явно больше нравится то, за что выступает Барак Обама".

По словам эксперта, "учитывая, насколько низок международный уровень симпатий к США, вызывает изумление, что один из лишь пяти, а не гораздо большего количества человек, верит в успех республиканской администрации при Маккейне".


http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/russian/international/newsid_7607000/7607384.stm

[brown-raider]

Dan ,

dont you feel yourself a bit unconfortable by accussing other to have a smear campain against Palin....And thoose same for years have done the same to Bill Clinton?

I feel memories are sometimes very selective.

friendly to you


lavuunthe accusations about Bill were not accusations they were true! Bill was spreading his seed everywhere ..:faint:

[RiverRock]

Комментируя результаты опроса, председатель ГлоубСкан Даг Миллер сказал, что "значительной части населения планеты явно больше нравится то, за что выступает Барак Обама".

Commenting on the survey results, GlobeScan president Doug Miller said that "a large part of the world's population is clearly more like what Barack Obama advocates."


Obama should run for president of the world instead then. Maybe just Russia. He would fit in there much better. He hates America. He wants the government to give away universal health care and education to everyone. And he will change the change with change for you. You can have him.

[brown-raider]

you can take the man out of the Ghetto, but you can't take the ghetto out of the man.... as time goes on, with the stress, and pressure we will see the ghetto come out of :mad:Obama, the way it has shown it's ugly head in his wife.....

[brown-raider]

Obama should run for president of the world instead then. Maybe just Russia. He would fit in there much better. He hates America. He wants the government to give away universal health care and education to everyone. And he will change the change with change for you. You can have him.I agree he hates America and so does his ugly wife... thats why those here who dislike America would like to see bam bam become President... but it won't happen.. :yo:

[sliver]

Obama should run for president of the world instead then. Maybe just Russia. He would fit in there much better. He hates America. He wants the government to give away universal health care and education to everyone. And he will change the change with change for you. You can have him.

riverrock, you're not in subject again)
just russian didn't prefer to express their opinions about 'likes'. russian think that neither one nor another won't much change general usa policy in the world and in respect of russia.

as to comments brown-hater i repeat again and more: your hate-comments towards one of candidates insult people who vote for him and just have different opinion. according to this article it's all non-american world )
and what i hate most of all when a man allows himself to say about any woman - ugly. it's not your business and not your girl-friend. i would please ask you to shut up finally

[fbibob]

I agree he hates America and so does his ugly wife... thats why those here who dislike America would like to see bam bam become President... but it won't happen.. :yo:


Actually, Michelle Obama is pretty. At least on the outside. She seems to have a very angry soul.

As for the rest of the world wanting Obama to be President, this is reason to not elect him. I want my President to put America's interest first. (People in other countries do not elect leaders that make their neighbor's happier; why should we?) I do not want a President that wants to please everybody else.

[don_pedro]

Actually, Michelle Obama is pretty. At least on the outside. She seems to have a very angry soul.

As for the rest of the world wanting Obama to be President, this is reason to not elect him. I want my President to put America's interest first. (People in other countries do not elect leaders that make their neighbor's happier; why should we?) I do not want a President that wants to please everybody else.

What the heck?
I would understand if you put it like “this is not a reason by itself to elect him”, but the way you put it… Does it mean you want your President to be hated by the rest of the world? Do you mean to say that it’s in America’s best interest to be disliked by other countries?

I don’t think putting America’s interests first somehow should all the time make us at odds with the rest of the world. There’s always diplomacy to resolve contradictions. Can you imagine the potential Obama has to mend some fences, to create new allies, to make new friends instead of new enemies? Would it be nice, for a change, to have on our side the biggest Muslim country in the world – Indonesia, lobbying our interests in OPEC and pressing Arabs for a peace with Israel? I don’t presume you think it’s bad to strengthen our relationships with Europe either. He’s also might be very popular in African countries, which could potentially create favorable conditions for US companies in those oil- and (other) natural materials reach markets.

[Mnguy2007]

What the heck?
I would understand if you put it like “this is not a reason by itself to elect him”, but the way you put it… Does it mean you want your President to be hated by the rest of the world? Do you mean to say that it’s in America’s best interest to be disliked by other countries?

I don’t think putting America’s interests first somehow should all the time make us at odds with the rest of the world. There’s always diplomacy to resolve contradictions. Can you imagine the potential Obama has to mend some fences, to create new allies, to make new friends instead of new enemies? Would it be nice, for a change, to have on our side the biggest Muslim country in the world – Indonesia, lobbying our interests in OPEC and pressing Arabs for a peace with Israel? I don’t presume you think it’s bad to strengthen our relationships with Europe either. He’s also might be very popular in African countries, which could potentially create favorable conditions for US companies in those oil- and (other) natural materials reach markets.

I am getting the impression your saying only Obama has the ability to do all of these things you mention. ?

[brown-raider]

Actually, Michelle Obama is pretty. At least on the outside. She seems to have a very angry soul.No actually she is ugly!..... sorry to disagree with you.... what was that lipstick comment by bam bam Obama... huh! lets see...:lol:

As for the rest of the world wanting Obama to be President, this is reason to not elect him. I want my President to put America's interest first. (People in other countries do not elect leaders that make their neighbor's happier; why should we?) I do not want a President that wants to please everybody else. very angry soul

[kentuckydan]

you can take the man out of the Ghetto, but you can't take the ghetto out of the man.... as time goes on, with the stress, and pressure we will see the ghetto come out of :mad:Obama, the way it has shown it's ugly head in his wife.....


Except that Obama does not come from the ghetto.

He lived in Indonesia until the age of ten then lived with grandparents in Hawaii attending
once known as Oahu College, is a private, co-educational, nonsectarian college preparatory school located in Honolulu in the U.S. State of Hawaii. With about 3,700 students attending the school, in kindergarten through the twelfth grade, it is the largest independent school in the United States.[1] In 2006, Punahou School was ranked as the "greenest" school in America

Following high school, Obama moved to Los Angeles, where he studied at Occidental College for two years.[9] He then transferred to Columbia University in New York City, where he majored in political science with a specialization in international relations.[10] Obama graduated with a B.A. from Columbia in 1983, then worked for a year at the Business International Corporation[11] and then at the New York Public Interest Research Group.[12][13]

Find me a ghetto in there?

[brown-raider]

Dan your right and I knew about some his upbringing, I was refering more to his attitude that he picked up somewhere along the way which is ghetto, get him frustrated and upset and it wants to come out... clearyly his associations with with people that live at times on the wrong side of the law has rubed off on him.. hence his association with gangster rappers. Now his wife will get ghetto real quick, again not referring to where she is from but her attitude which is to say, get her upset and she can act like she's from the ghetto.... I grew up in the inner city and I know that attitude.. Obama runs around so arrogant and with a chip on his soldier like people owe him something.. like a gangster rapper F*ck him that is no reason for me to give him my vote, I don't owe him sh*t no matter what color he is... If he were Mexican or Yaki Indian of which I am both on my fathers side, and he had these same Ideas and an arrogant attitude like bam bam Obama I wouldn't give him my vote either... Obam and his wife are always talking crap about this country, it's a mean country ect... well who the fu*k are they? I think he will be chopped up in the debates and he will get mad and out will come that ghetto attitude... by the way did you see Michelle Obama dancing with Ellen De Generate the other day? that's a first a possible First lady dancing with a Lezbo, is this the kind of change they are talking about...:lol: Except that Obama does not come from the ghetto.

He lived in Indonesia until the age of ten then lived with grandparents in Hawaii attending
once known as Oahu College, is a private, co-educational, nonsectarian college preparatory school located in Honolulu in the U.S. State of Hawaii. With about 3,700 students attending the school, in kindergarten through the twelfth grade, it is the largest independent school in the United States.[1] In 2006, Punahou School was ranked as the "greenest" school in America

Following high school, Obama moved to Los Angeles, where he studied at Occidental College for two years.[9] He then transferred to Columbia University in New York City, where he majored in political science with a specialization in international relations.[10] Obama graduated with a B.A. from Columbia in 1983, then worked for a year at the Business International Corporation[11] and then at the New York Public Interest Research Group.[12][13]

Find me a ghetto in there?