Prayers prompt religious row

[kentuckydan]

Prayers prompt religious row
By Debbie Waite (http://www.oxfordmail.net/mostpopular.var.2438239.mostviewed.prayers_prompt_ religious_row.php)

A row has broken out after a Christian group organised a day of prayer in Oxford about Muslims during Ramadan.

The Muslim Education Centre of Oxford (Meco) accused Witney-based Open Doors UK of preaching "evangelical propaganda", after the Christian group held a Call to Prayer day in Oxford yesterday.

But Open Doors UK, which held the event at St Aldate's Church, insisted it had been taken out of context, although it "regretted" any offence that had been caused.

A spokesman denied the meeting targeted Muslims, and said its aim was to reduce fear of Islam.


Well that worked really well didn't it? :rolleyes:

[1amongmany]

why do people fear Islam?

its a religion just like Christianity, they share the same God as Christians, and they both preach about being a good person......

It's people we should fear

[kentuckydan]

why do people fear Islam?



That is a very good question, I do not think any other of the main religions of the world evoke such a reaction.

I realise that has not always been the case, but today for the most part religous adherents of the world's religions seem for the to get along with each other, with the exception of one.

[1amongmany]

maybe it's the modern version of the Crusades...they spread fear and killed in the name of God, no?

[kentuckydan]

maybe it's the modern version of the Crusades...they spread fear and killed in the name of God, no?


Hmm the Crusades let me ponder. Let's see after the MidEast, North Africa, Spain, Portugal had been conqured and almost France but they were turned back by Charles The Hammer after sacking some 2/3rds of the Country, after some 400 years of raids in the Mediterranean as far into the interior as Switzerland, (they turned back didn't like snow I guess) additionally plundering the Italian peninsula during the same Period
building military fortifications there and on one occassion Sacking Rome

After at the Order of the Caliph of Egypt every Christian church structure
in the Muslim Empire was razed, including the Church of the Holy Seplechure
(one of Christendom's most Sacred sites)

AND then after the Muslim Empire BANNED all pilgrimages
to the Holy Land


Christian Europe struck back

HOW DARE THEY!

I mean that was SO culturally insensitive!!!

[WildHunt]

http://video.google.com/videosearch?hl=en&client=firefox-a&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&q=obsession+islam&um=1&ie=UTF-8&sa=X&oi=video_result_group&resnum=4&ct=title# This why

[RiverRock]

The koran does no teach about the same God as the bible.

The koran was written by one man that I suspect just copied (570 C.E.) and changed the old testament (torah) for his own purposes. [For example, switching Isaac and Ishmael.. (kind of funny if you think about it) While the bible was written by 40 different men over a period of 1500+ years that all concurred.

The koran is no bible and Muhammad was no Jesus.

Christians are just as guilty as Muslims, but that does not counter the bible's teachings. The bible has a lot to say about human nature and how self serving they can be.

[RiverRock]

Copied from - along with his own material

[1amongmany]

dan
so it's ok to kill in god's name if its tied to revenge?

RiverRock
the holy book for Christians is called the bible, the holy book for Muslims is called the koran, so therefore it is ok to call the koran a bible just as you might call Chilton's the chevy lovers bible :becky:
you are right about Muhammad, he was not Jesus - he was a prophet just as Muslims believe Jesus was
but the koran does teach about the same god as Christianity it only differs when it comes to the Abraham period, Christians follow one son and Muslims follow the other son

all religions are based on the interpritations of a story, who has the power or authority to say one religion is right and the other is wrong?

we should all just accept that we are all different then the world will be a much better place

[RiverRock]

1amongmany: the holy book for Christians is called the bible, the holy book for Muslims is called the koran, so therefore it is ok to call the koran a bible just as you might call Chilton's the chevy lovers bible

Should I say the Arab nationalist bible (instead of koran) and the Christian bible so you will understand which I am talking about?

1amongmany: all religions are based on the interpritations of a story, who has the power or authority to say one religion is right and the other is wrong?

we should all just accept that we are all different then the world will be a much better place

Some one should have taught this to Muhammad.


"The Jews surrendered and the apostle confined them in Medina. … Then the apostle [Muhammad] went out to the market … and dug trenches in it. Then he sent for them and struck off their heads in those trenches as they were brought out to him in batches. ... There were 600 or 700 in all, though some put the figure as high as 800 or 900.
As they were being taken out in batches to the apostle they asked Ka'b what he thought would be done with them. He replied, 'Will you never understand? Don't you see that the summoner never stops and those who are taken away do not return? By Allah it is death!' This went on until the apostle made an end of them." (Sirat Rasul Allah (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sirah_Rasul_Allah))


"Muhammad gave command and the heads of the two chiefs were severed from their bodies. The scene of torture and bloodshed was hardly ended when Muhammad sent Bilal to fetch the wife of Kinana. ... He cast his mantle around her in token that she was to be his own." (Conquest of Khaybar, A.D. 628, Sirat Rasul Allah (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sirah_Rasul_Allah))

[1amongmany]

Should I say the Arab nationalist bible (instead of koran) and the Christian bible so you will understand which I am talking about?

I understand what you are refering too, I was only correcting your statement about the koran not being a bible

"The koran is no bible......"

[kentuckydan]

dan
so it's ok to kill in god's name if its tied to revenge?



I am not certain that reacting to 4 to 5 Centuries of Conquest and Pillaging
could be considered simple revenge.

Keep in mind that after the Crusader States fell the Conquest of Eastern Europe proceeded unabated.

Of course Western Europe was not ignored there were Muslim slaving raids in the British Isles in the 17th Century.

[fbibob]

we should all just accept that we are all different then the world will be a much better place

This would be wonderful if it could ever happen. In a world with a pink sky and fluffy clouds and soft bunnies it might be possible.

But muslims will not tolerate other religions. Even with relative peace in Iraq, they have driven out most of the Christian population by intimidation and murder.

[1amongmany]

But muslims will not tolerate other religions. Even with relative peace in Iraq, they have driven out most of the Christian population by intimidation and murder.

you forgot to mention the hatred and discrimination going the other way throughout the rest of the world ....

[fbibob]

you forgot to mention the hatred and discrimination going the other way throughout the rest of the world ....

No, I just did not bother to talk about discrimination that does not involve someone physically harming or killing someone else.

[1amongmany]

No, I just did not bother to talk about discrimination that does not involve someone physically harming or killing someone else.

oh I see, you're right....the thousands of people getting beaten each year because of the color of their skin, sexual orientation, or religion doesn't matter

[Shadow-off]

The Quran is a Bible and they will definately defend it with their lives as necessary just as we would if some government were to attempt to destroy our religion and faith. I do not worship the Quran; however they do, and they are just as justified to worship it as we are to worship our Bible and it's teachings. Our Bible tells us clearly " Judge not lest ye be judged". The Jews do not believe in Christ yet in our Bible it clearly states that a person will not enter the kindom of heaven unless they believe in the son of man, Jesus Christ. Do you believe in the religion of the Jews ? I do; for it is written that they are Gods chosen people.

I think what you folks don't believe in is Jhiad a part of the Koran and more specifically the gun fire thereof. The Quran is a Bible and also a religion just as Othordox, catholic and Baptist is a religion. God has many names besides just God, Alla is one of them, also written in our Bible. Mohamad may also be one of them too.

Al Qaida uses the Jihad as a crutch to justify their selfish actions for teriorism. That is wrong and the Quran does not support such actions. The Al Qaida in their actions are no different than some of our self-proclaimed and illegal militias that use the Bible to support thier discriminitive quest against different races and cultures.

http://www.alislam.org/books/study-of-islam/jihad.html

[kentuckydan]

you forgot to mention the hatred and discrimination going the other way throughout the rest of the world ....

There is that, there is the case however that for the most part the other major religions seem to get along pretty well these days, only one seems to have problems with whoever their neighbors turn out to be.

The others don't seem to export terrorist bombings to parts of the world that have nothing to do with their local greviences

Or at least I don't recall any Bengali or Sudanese terrorists in Europe or Pacifica

[kentuckydan]

oh I see, you're right....the thousands of people getting beaten each year because of the color of their skin, sexual orientation, or religion doesn't matter

True but except for the Wahhabis no one is spending million, tens or hundreds of millions setting up schools around the world teaching that such actions are the pathway to Paradise.

Uhh they don't just beat folks for sexual orientation problems they execute them

Well they do beat them in places like Copenhagen. Europe has yet to adopt strict Shari'ai so stoning, hanging or beheading of homosexuals is still frowned upon there, so it's up to roving gangs to be Commissions for the Promotion of Virtue and Prevention of Vice
or as they are called in Saudi Arabia Mutawwa