why not?and why yes.

[zoroooo]

dear fellow Americans,

we eropeans we allways think that we should guide americans in their choice....a bit funny isnt ?

so why ""no"" to Obama .thats for the no guys..in an other topic later we cane take it from the other side.


zorro

[brown-raider]

dear fellow Americans,

we eropeans we allways think that we should guide americans in their choice....a bit funny isnt ?

so why ""no"" to Obama .thats for the no guys..in an other topic later we cane take it from the other side.


zorroSOMETHING IS WRONG WITH A CANIDATE WHEN ALL THE AMERICA haters want a Obama to win, I wouldn't vote for him because he is un American, he is a liar and a con, who associates himself with radicals who hate our country.. He obviosly made a poor choice in marrying the big mouth of a wife he married, she is nasty and has no integrity, and easily gets ghetto when she is asked questions.. Barrack Hussien Obama is an arrogant individual who lacks experience and credibility with the track record he has, he has accomplished nothing to brag about in his service to his constituets , so what makes him qualified to be president, just because he wants to be? because he thinks it's owed to him because he is black, he has not earned my vote! i'm not a demoncrap anyway they are the party of misfits and oddballs, and that is not by accident:yo:

[brown-raider]

dear fellow Americans,

we eropeans we allways think that we should guide americans in their choice....a bit funny isnt ?

so why ""no"" to Obama .thats for the no guys..in an other topic later we cane take it from the other side.


zorroWaffel your o.k. but I don't think you are a fellow American... you are a crazzy belgian:plane:

[Sveta's Hero]

I say "no" to Obama for the simple fact that he has done absolutely nothing to qualify himself to be president of the United States. Writing a few books does not make a president!

[1amongmany]

it doesn't take much to be qualified to be president of the US....any 35 year old natural born citizen that has lived in the states for the past 14 years can run for president.....

[Sveta's Hero]

it doesn't take much to be qualified to be president of the US....any 35 year old natural born citizen that has lived in the states for the past 14 years can run for president.....


I don't mean the requirements that qualify. I mean as in experience. Obama is nothing but smooth talk, and no substance.

[kentuckydan]

"so why ""no"" to Obama .thats for the no guys..in an other topic later we cane take it from the other side."

ok I will answer that without referring to his middle name, his church and doctrine of choice, or his dubious associations with unrepentant domestic terrorists.

The man is a typical crooked Cook County Politician. He claims to be for a lot of things his past record repudiates.

Let me just list one incident of his Chicago activities.'

The Great Lie
(http://article.nationalreview.com/print/?q=NmFmNDY4M2YwZjlmZjJiNWQyMmUyMTc1OTkzNDUxMzE=)

If you think that Senator Barack Obama stretches the truth, then don’t forget to take his introduction by Senator Dick Durbin with a grain of salt, as well. “To a country weary of the politics of division and deadlock, he has brought a message of unity and change,” said Durbin. “This man, Barack Obama, has inspired America to believe that we can come together and meet the challenges of this new century and rise up to a better place.”

What “better place” might that be? He can’t possibly be referring to Chicago. There must be someone out there who remembers the 2006 election, in which Durbin and Obama together thwarted the efforts of bipartisan reformers who had reached across party lines to clean up their city’s politics. In that election, which I describe in detail in the most recent print edition of National Review, the two senators endorsed, as a “good, progressive Democrat,” a man named Todd Stroger. Both Obama and Durbin knew well that Stroger would continue to use the Cook County payroll as a private fund to support the politically connected — they just didn’t care.

Stroger, a man described by liberal Chicago Tribune columnist Eric Zorn as “an unimaginative legislative drone” and a “machine hack candidate,” won his race with Durbin and Obama’s help.

Stroger, a man described by liberal Chicago Tribune columnist Eric Zorn as “an unimaginative legislative drone” and a “machine hack candidate,” won his race with Durbin and Obama’s help. As expected, he went on to shutter health clinics, lay off hundreds of nurses and dozens of prosecutors, and raise taxes — all in order to pay for the hundreds of unqualified but politically connected patronage workers that he and various politicians had “sponsored” for county jobs. John Stroger, his father and predecessor, had even taken the wise step of putting Tony Rezko’s wife on the county payroll.



I can add to the above if that is not sufficient to give you pause

[Voobrazheniye]

I say "no" to Obama for the simple fact that he has done absolutely nothing to qualify himself to be president of the United States. Writing a few books does not make a president!

Paul... you have forgotten that he is a "community organizer." Certainly THAT qualifies him to go toe-to-toe with Putin, Chavez or Akhumenijihad (sorry for not spelling that name correctly).

[fbibob]

Ok, here's one. Obama wants to immediately schedule a withdrawal of US forces from Iraq. No mention of the ability of the new Iraqi government to control the country.

For those who did not notice, Iraq officially took over responsibility for Anbar, formerly the worst source of terror attacks. The US is working on a removal of forces as soon as Iraq is able to provide for its own security. But if we announce that we are just pulling out, the Al-Queda types will know when to crawl out from under their assorted rocks and tear down the new government.

If Obama wins, the entire nation of Iraq will lose.

[fbibob]

Possibly the most critical thing for me, however, is the future of the Supreme Court. If Obama gets into office, he will nominate replacement judges that will all legislate from the bench. They will find imaginary things in the US constitution that will allow them to make new laws that violate the wishes of the majority of Americans.

[zoroooo]

I felt years ago that Mccane is a verry wise men..I hopped he could win from Bush.

Still he has the same qualities but I feel America could gain to have an other experience.


Just this is America ready to let go their deep difirences about the race issue?

friendly to you all

Belgian zorro

[Sveta's Hero]

I felt years ago that Mccane is a verry wise men..I hopped he could win from Bush.

Still he has the same qualities but I feel America could gain to have an other experience.


Just this is America ready to let go their deep difirences about the race issue?

friendly to you all

Belgian zorro


For me, race or gender make no difference. I make my choice for who I feel is best qualified to run the country.

[kentuckydan]

I felt years ago that Mccane is a verry wise men..I hopped he could win from Bush.

Still he has the same qualities but I feel America could gain to have an other experience.


Just this is America ready to let go their deep difirences about the race issue?

friendly to you all

Belgian zorro

If America had not already let go of their "deep differnence about the race issue"

Obams would not have the Nomination for President

The Black African portion of the population is about 13.5%

close to Belgium's percentage of the EU to put it in perspective


As for America "could gain to have an other experience"???

Sorry a corrupt Cook County pol is not IMO a disirable direction for change

How many Black Africans have had a decent chance of being elected to
the head of a European State???

[kentuckydan]

and you are quite correct no reason not to have a "friendly" debate of ideas

[fbibob]

If you watch the campaign speeches (as we are forced to do here) you find that everytime things get hard for Obama he starts insinuating that it is all because of his race. Putting aside the race issue will not be possible if he uses it continually to supress criticism.

[zoroooo]

If America had not already let go of their "deep differnence about the race issue"

Obams would not have the Nomination for President

The Black African portion of the population is about 13.5%

close to Belgium's percentage of the EU to put it in perspective


As for America "could gain to have an other experience"???

Sorry a corrupt Cook County pol is not IMO a disirable direction for change

How many Black Africans have had a decent chance of being elected to
the head of a European State???

dear Kenty,

Where did you got that we have in Belgium that percentage of "blacks" been Belgians?

Ken, do you feel that Mccane is a bit to old for such a job?


friendly

lavuun

[zoroooo]

If you watch the campaign speeches (as we are forced to do here) you find that everytime things get hard for Obama he starts insinuating that it is all because of his race. Putting aside the race issue will not be possible if he uses it continually to supress criticism.

Indeed he gives me that impression as well.


lavuun

[snow_flake]

I don't mean the requirements that qualify. I mean as in experience. Obama is nothing but smooth talk, and no substance.

Bush is to less talk and to much substance:eek:

[Sveta's Hero]

Bush is to less talk and to much substance:eek:

Probably so, but he will be gone in four months.:p

[kentuckydan]

dear Kenty,

Where did you got that we have in Belgium that percentage of "blacks" been Belgians?

Ken, do you feel that Mccane is a bit to old for such a job?


friendly

lavuun

You misunderstood me I was comparing the population of Belgium to the EU as being
on the same order of magnitude as the percentage of Black African Americans to the total population

He is two years older than Reagan was and I liked Reagon also medical
Science has made SOME progress in the last quarter of a century

Be interesting to know something about his ancestorial line in regard age

In my family on both sides living to be 90 or 100 and still mentally alert, is not uncommon

[Masichka]

Possibly the most critical thing for me, however, is the future of the Supreme Court. If Obama gets into office, he will nominate replacement judges that will all legislate from the bench. They will find imaginary things in the US constitution that will allow them to make new laws that violate the wishes of the majority of Americans.

If Obama wins would not it mean that the majority of Americans wanted so? So if some old-fashioned laws will be changes and others will be made don't you think the majority of Americans wanted those changes when choosing the guy (if chosing)? And can you make me an example what laws that could be and why should they right away violate something?

[zoroooo]

GUYS from the US,

I am not gonna start an primitive anti american topic....

I have now been listen to the running mate of mc cane and she talks about the war as "gods plan"

I am verry suspicious about first politicians using religion as justification for policies.
And secondly it goes against the spirit of the founders of your country.
Thats naturaly just an opinion of a Belgian who makes only a certain percentage of the EU
population.:lol:

[second_life]

GUYS from the US,
I have now been listen to the running mate of mc cane and she talks about the war as "gods plan"

I am verry suspicious about first politicians using religion as justification for policies.


I agree this is more than frightening.

[kentuckydan]

GUYS from the US,

I am not gonna start an primitive anti american topic....

I have now been listen to the running mate of mc cane and she talks about the war as "gods plan"

I am verry suspicious about first politicians using religion as justification for policies.
And secondly it goes against the spirit of the founders of your country.
Thats naturaly just an opinion of a Belgian who makes only a certain percentage of the EU
population.:lol:

Yawn: The AP smears Palin over prayer for troops in Iraq (http://hotair.com/archives/2008/09/04/yawn-the-ap-smears-palin-over-prayer-for-troops-in-iraq/)

First she did NOT call the War God's plan, she said we need to pray that what we do is in accordance with the Will of God

"“Pray for our military men and women who are striving to do what is right. Also, for this country, that our leaders, our national leaders, are sending [U.S. soldiers] out on a task that is from God,” she exhorted the congregants. “That’s what we have to make sure that we’re praying for, that there is a plan and that that plan is God’s plan.”

Of course as usual the media distorted it into

"Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin told ministry students at her former church that the United States sent troops to fight in the Iraq war on a “task that is from God.”…
“Our national leaders are sending them out on a task that is from God,” she said. “That’s what we have to make sure that we’re praying for, that there is a plan and that plan is God’s plan.”

The Huffington Post, Arianna’s playpen, is actually fairer to Palin than the Associated Press. Watch the clip at the link (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/09/02/palins-church-may-have-sh_n_123205.html); the money part runs from about 5:30 to 6:15. HuffPo quotes her, accurately:

Now I am willing to bet that what zoroooo listened to was the Youtube clip that leaves out the first part of the statement I have put in bold text

I will put the selectively edited version here

9H-btXPfhGs

Interestingly Obama's prayer that he left at the Wailing Wall said

"Lord,

Protect my family and me. Forgive me my sins and help me guard against pride and despair.

Give me the wisdom to do what is right and just.

And make me an instrument of your will."


Oh WOW!


Both Obama AND Palin prayed for God's Will

Boy you sure must be frightened now huh?

I mean a Vice President can't really do anything but a PRESIDENT
praying for God's Will????

Run in circles Scream and Shout


The best way to lie is to tell the Truth but do it selectively
Mark Twain

That edited video is a perfect example

PS the Huffington Post is a Liberal Website but at least they had
more intellectual integrity than the AP report

[kentuckydan]

"

I am verry suspicious about first politicians using religion as justification for policies.
And secondly it goes against the spirit of the founders of your country.
:

Short version she did not use religion as a justification, she said we needed to pray that what we do is in accordance with God's Will

Secondly there is nothing in that, which goes against the spirit of the founders of our country

Thirdly Obama offered a similar prayer for God's Will at the Wailing Wall

But I stipulate if all the infomation you had was the distorted edited version of the video
your reaction is quite understandable

[zoroooo]

Short version she did not use religion as a justification, she said we needed to pray that what we do is in accordance with God's Will

Secondly there is nothing in that, which goes against the spirit of the founders of our country

Thirdly Obama offered a similar prayer for God's Will at the Wailing Wall

But I stipulate if all the infomation you had was the distorted edited version of the video
your reaction is quite understandable


I agree that both candidates are referring to religion in their campain.

Just about war and gods plan I feel is a bridge to far..I got as source a national newspaper.

But personaly as an observer I still feel strange that all candidates have to be religious.. not been religious in the US of today is seen as nearly a crime.

Am I wrong? do you feel that a president should be religious and refere to god and bible?

zorozoro extremly friendly:yo:

[kentuckydan]

I
Am I wrong? do you feel that a president should be religious and refere to god and bible?

zorozoro extremly friendly:yo:


Well since I am actually a Pagan, but not one of your Born Again New Age Druidic types
mine is an affirmation of my Cherokee American Indian heritage, I don't really care, but I prefer leaders with some sort of Moral Value system and Religion is that.


I
Just about war and gods plan I feel is a bridge to far

I would say that would the issue that would require the most introspection
and yes prayer by someone who is religous.

[kentuckydan]

I got as source a national newspaper.

:

Want to bet the origin of the text was AP?

[kentuckydan]

Don't Believe a Damn Thing Lefties Write About the Palins (http://ace.mu.nu/archives/272174.php)

Here zoroooo is one of the sources of the smear campaign, gives you an idea of what and why things are happening

I'll print this posting found at DU, tipped to me by the great Larwyn, again:

122. What many here don't understand. It doesn't matter if it's true or not. RUMOR IS TRUTH.
The modern laws of media hype and political warfare have a useful tenet:

Repeat ANYTHING or raise false concern over ANYTHING and it is likely to be planted in the conscious/subconscious of many voters.

If people start to think that there might be something fishy with Palin's last kid (if hers), then that's FINE. One more doubt (whether tied to reality or not) is another hesitation at the ballot box.

GET WITH THE PROGRAM PEOPLE. The "rising above it" bullshit has served us so well in the past, hasn't it?

If you have problems with the story, then STFU and get out of the way of Dems who are engaged in MODERN POLITICAL WARFARE. Go tend your garden or some other pedestrian task, because the "concern trolls" are not helping shape the message.

J

************************************************** ************************
and the Left keeps trying to tell us how Tolerant and Compassionate they are and that the Conservatives aren't

Here's another example Paul Kane/WaPo's reporting skills are on par with DailyKos (Sarah Palin veto)html (http://24ahead.com/blog/archives/007978.html)

The Washington Post had an article about how "Palin Slashed Funding for Teen Moms"

Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin, the Republican vice-presidential nominee who revealed Monday that her 17-year-old daughter is pregnant, earlier this year used her line-item veto to slash funding for a state program benefiting teen mothers in need of a place to live.

After the legislature passed a spending bill in April, Palin went through the measure reducing and eliminating funds for programs she opposed. Inking her initials on the legislation -- "SP" -- Palin reduced funding for Covenant House Alaska by more than 20 percent, cutting funds from $5 million to $3.9 million. Covenant House is a mix of programs and shelters for troubled youths, including Passage House, which is a transitional home for teenage mothers.

That sounds pretty bad doesn't it TERRIBLE in fact

Care to see the whole picture and the Truth????

Covenant House gets 90% of it's funds from Private donations the State Grant for 2007 was $155,000

The TOTAL from Goverment Grants of all kinds (including Federal) was
Government Grants $1,194,788

Palin did cut the proposed funding to 3.9 Million from 5 million but that will STILL increase funds to the program about 3 fold.

I would assume the other sources of revenue are still there.

[zoroooo]

kent,

I agree that their is a smear campaign against her..I dislike that when anywhere in the world people try to dig in other peoples life to put them in a bad light.

I think people should stick to the performence in public life ...if no criminal facts were obscured naturaly.


zorozoro

[brown-raider]

Obam, ssaid of one of his good freinds this man will be doing some great things here in Detroit now and in the future... what a joke Kwame Kilpatrick has resigned as Mayor and will be doing 4 months in jail... another one bites the dust!!:lol:

[1amongmany]

smear campaigns, whether negative or positive, work....so true dan

if I hear Palin has "Exectutive Experience" one more time I just might believe she could be Vice-President ;)

[Sveta's Hero]

Obam, ssaid of one of his good freinds this man will be doing some great things here in Detroit now and in the future... what a joke Kwame Kilpatrick has resigned as Mayor and will be doing 4 months in jail... another one bites the dust!!:lol:


Kingpin Kwame was a shady crook right from the start. Still no one knows who murdered the stripper the same night she was at his party. Rumor has it that his wife got into a fight with the stripper and beat in the head with a lamp, and it was covered up by Kingpin's bodyguards.

[brown-raider]

maybe if Obama wins he can still add him to his cabinet, Kwame will be out of jail by then... I'm sure Obama can use Kwame's expertice :yo:some how!:lol:Kingpin Kwame was a shady crook right from the start. Still no one knows who murdered the stripper the same night she was at his party. Rumor has it that his wife got into a fight with the stripper and beat in the head with a lamp, and it was covered up by Kingpin's bodyguards.

[Sveta's Hero]

Kwame's going to have a hard time finding any kind of job now. Funny thing is that he can actually run for office again after 5 years. Hopefully Detroiters are not stupid enough to re-elect him if he tries.
I've actually heard rumors that Dave Bing (former Piston's player, and long time owner of Bing Steel) Might run for mayor. Now he is actually someone that could do good for the city, kind of like Dennis Archer did when he was mayor.

[Voobrazheniye]

What I have found most interesting about the Kilpatrick situation is how hard the media has labored to report the story while DOWNPLAYING the fact that he is a Democrat. In any story I have seen, his party affiliation is either not mentioned or is buried way down in the story. And it is a FACT that if it had been a Republican, there would have been an "R" in the headline or the lead paragraph EVERY time.

As a former journalist, it makes me so sick to see what the news media in the U.S. has become. Add "journalistic integrity" to the oxymoron list.

[1amongmany]

I heard he is thinking about the vacancy in Alaska:lol:

[alpine-frolic]

[QUOTE=kentuckydan;3988]If America had not already let go of their "deep differnence about the race issue"

Obams would not have the Nomination for President

The Black African portion of the population is about 13.5%

close to Belgium's percentage of the EU to put it in perspective


As for America "could gain to have an other experience"???

Sorry a corrupt Cook County pol is not IMO a disirable direction for change

How many Black Africans have had a decent chance of being elected to
the head of a European State???[/QUOTE

We have a black soul as head of our country, that doesn't count?
The black africans in Europe have for most choosen to live here.
Some have political responsabilities, but it's true not a lot, not enough regarding how many they are.